DIYAPASON-L Digest #788 - Sunday, April 6, 2003
 
Overblown Boudon
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Overblown Boudon
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Tuning
  by "Brian Graham" <qax@prodigy.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Overblown Boudon
  by "Brian Graham" <qax@prodigy.net>
Diaphones
  by "wcjharrisville" <wcjharrisville@webryders.net>
Chamber Organs
  by "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Chamber Organs
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Chamber Organs
  by "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Chamber Organs
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Overblown Boudon
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@UntraveledRoad.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Overblown Boudon
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Overblown Boudon From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 07:12:15 -0600   On the heals of my question about initial tuning, I would like some input about pipes that are easily overblown. Specially, my 16' bourdon CCC and others in that octave seem to overblow quite easily. Does that indicate loose stoppers? In the 8' octave the pipe are much louder with no over blowing.   Thanks Bob Taylor      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Overblown Boudon From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 13:06:23 -0300   I recently have been working on som extra wood pipes and came accross a = few of them that overblew very easily.I looked for cracks , loose glue joints and loose stoppers, found none of that however. What I did find was that, the holes that once held screws to hold on the rack hooks were still there and had gone through to the inside of the = pipe, once I filled the holes , the pipes then returned to there normal speech   Danielwh 2000 EP Biggs Fellow     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Tuning From: "Brian Graham" <qax@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:52:18 -0700   Well, Bob, I'm pretty sure I don't qualify as an expert, but:   I bought a relatively inexpensive electronic tuner at a local music shop which I use to get pipes near the correct pitch, then go 'by ear' to finish them off.   It "hears" the pitch and indicates with an LED display what note of the scale the sound is closest to (i.e. "F"), and which way to tune the pipe to get closer to the "ideal" 'F' pitch.   You can choose which 'A' you're tuning to (from A=3D438 to A=3D442 on this model if I remember correctly).   It was about $75 and I got it at the local store that the schoolchildren go to for band instrument supplies.   Yes, In my opinion you definitely should tune it to whatever pitch it was designed for, since that is the pitch that the pipes were sized for.   By the way, when you first check a pipe, if it is quite flat (especially if it seems to speak softer than it should) check for debris in the mouth. Sometimes when you clean a piece of fuzz out of the mouth, it = turns out that the pipe goes right back to the correct pitch.   -Brian   > -----Original Message----- > From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On > Behalf Of Robert W. Taylor > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:12 PM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] Tuning > > (snip) > > If the experts would care to comment, how should I go about bringing = this > instrument into tune again. Should I go for an exact A=3D 440 which was = the > design pitch? > > Thanks, > > Bob Taylor >    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Overblown Boudon From: "Brian Graham" <qax@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 16:01:59 -0700   Sort of on this same topic, were you able to track the weights and springs on the regulators and get them put back together as in the original installation?   If at all possible, it would be advantageous to provide the pipes with the same pressure that they were given originally before any tuning evaluation is done.   > -----Original Message----- > From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On > Behalf Of Robert W. Taylor > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:12 AM > To: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Subject: [Residence Organs] Overblown Boudon > > > On the heals of my question about initial tuning, I would like some = input > about pipes that are easily overblown. Specially, my 16' bourdon CCC = and > others in that octave seem to overblow quite easily. Does that indicate > loose stoppers? In the 8' octave the pipe are much louder with no over > blowing. > > Thanks Bob Taylor > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Diaphones From: "wcjharrisville" <wcjharrisville@webryders.net> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 19:59:56 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C2FC77.18AB9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The diaphone has always intrigued me. I am in need of a 16' reed or =3D other solid foundation stop. I think I have enough woodworking skills =3D to make a 12 note 16' extension small scale diaphone. Does anyone have = =3D any plans or information on constructing them? Any help will be =3D greatly appreciated. Will   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C2FC77.18AB9140 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The diaphone has always intrigued =3D me.&nbsp; I am in=3D20 need of a 16' reed or other solid foundation stop.&nbsp; I think I have = =3D enough=3D20 woodworking skills to make a 12 note 16' extension small scale =3D diaphone.&nbsp;=3D20 Does anyone have any plans or information on constructing&nbsp; =3D them?&nbsp; Any=3D20 help will be greatly appreciated.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Will</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000F_01C2FC77.18AB9140--    
(back) Subject: Chamber Organs From: "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:23:25 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0044_01C2FC61.3AF83ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Collective Wisdom:   I have a questions that I hope you'll all be able to help me with. How = =3D do organ builders cram so much pipe work into these small positiv or =3D chamber organs? The organ I'm building is already 2.5' deep and I only = =3D got 3 ranks in it and have no room to spare.   I have a 3 rank direct electric pipe organ in my home. I built the =3D chestwork myself from clear Douglas Fir and the pipe work (8' Stopped =3D Diapason, 4' Violin Diapason, 4' Muted Violin) is recycled from various = =3D organs. It has one 61 note manual and a 13 note pedal board. The pedal = =3D board I was given by a local organ builder from a 19th century tracker =3D organ. The organ plays on 2 1/2" WP.   Currently the organ is not unified but I am seriously considering it in = =3D the near future. I've also considered splitting the compass to a =3D bass/treble sides. I have very limited space and can't add any more =3D ranks. What stop list would any of you recommend if you had these three = =3D ranks to work with?   My next project is to build casework around it. The pipes will be =3D exposed. Does anyone have any ideas or things I should be aware of when = =3D building the case work? All comments are greatly appreciated. Thank =3D you in advance!   Steven Durham Portland, OR     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0044_01C2FC61.3AF83ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Collective Wisdom:</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have a questions that I hope you'll all be able to help me =3D with.&nbsp;=3D20 How do organ builders cram so much pipe work into these small positiv or = =3D chamber=3D20 organs?&nbsp; The organ I'm building is already 2.5' deep and I only got = =3D 3 ranks=3D20 in it and have no room to spare.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have a 3 rank direct electric pipe organ in my home.&nbsp; I =3D built the=3D20 chestwork myself from clear Douglas Fir and the pipe work (8' Stopped =3D Diapason,=3D20 4' Violin Diapason, 4' Muted Violin) is recycled from various =3D organs.&nbsp; It=3D20 has one 61 note manual and a 13 note pedal board.&nbsp; The pedal =3D board&nbsp;I=3D20 was given by a local organ builder&nbsp;from a 19th century tracker =3D organ.&nbsp;=3D20 The organ plays on 2 1/2" WP.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Currently the organ is not unified but I am seriously considering =3D it in the=3D20 near future.&nbsp; I've also considered splitting the compass to a =3D bass/treble=3D20 sides.&nbsp; I have very limited space and can't add any more =3D ranks.&nbsp; What=3D20 stop list would any of you recommend if you had these three ranks to =3D work=3D20 with?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>My next project is to build casework around it.&nbsp; The pipes =3D will be=3D20 exposed.&nbsp; Does anyone have any ideas or things I should be aware of = =3D when=3D20 building the case work?&nbsp; All comments are greatly =3D appreciated.&nbsp; Thank=3D20 you in advance!</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Steven Durham</DIV> <DIV>Portland, OR</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0044_01C2FC61.3AF83ED0--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Chamber Organs From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:32:35 EDT     --part1_d.dc1410f.2bc22123_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/6/2003 8:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, sdurham11@attbi.com writes:   > How do organ builders cram so much pipe work into these small positiv or =   > chamber organs?   I echo Steve's question. I wondered this when I was drooling over the = Studio Organs on the Oberlinger Organs website. I especially like their = "Herrenalb" model - at least, the appearance of it. I've wondered how they put 13 = ranks into a chamber organ that's hardly 3' deep. I've heard a couple of explanations: 1. They use very small scaled pipework which means that the pipes are a little smaller in diameter. 2. Their pipework is so close together that it's difficult to work on. 3. They may use common bases for some ranks. I would think that that = would be mentioned in their specs if that were the case.   Anyway, I'd really like to go study one of these chamber organs with the = side panels removed so I can see how it all fits together.   Keith   --part1_d.dc1410f.2bc22123_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 4/6/2003 8:25:51 PM Eastern = Standar=3D d Time, sdurham11@attbi.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">How do organ builders cram so = m=3D uch pipe work into these small positiv or chamber organs? = </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> I echo Steve's question.&nbsp; I wondered this when I was drooling over = the=3D20=3D Studio Organs on the Oberlinger Organs website.&nbsp; I especially like = thei=3D r "Herrenalb" model - at least, the appearance of it.&nbsp; I've wondered = ho=3D w they put 13 ranks into a chamber organ that's hardly 3' deep.&nbsp; I've = h=3D eard a couple of explanations:<BR> 1.&nbsp; They use very small scaled pipework which means that the pipes = are=3D20=3D a little smaller in diameter.<BR> 2.&nbsp; Their pipework is so close together that it's difficult to work = on.=3D <BR> 3.&nbsp; They may use common bases for some ranks.&nbsp; I would think = that=3D20=3D that would be mentioned in their specs if that were the case.<BR> <BR> Anyway, I'd really like to go study one of these chamber organs with the = sid=3D e panels removed so I can see how it all fits together.<BR> <BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d.dc1410f.2bc22123_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Chamber Organs From: "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:40:44 -0700 (PDT)       On Sun, 6 Apr 2003 Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 4/6/2003 8:25:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sdurham11@attbi.com writes: > > > How do organ builders cram so much pipe work into these small positiv = or > > chamber organs? > > I echo Steve's question. I wondered this when I was drooling over the = Studio > Organs on the Oberlinger Organs website. I especially like their = "Herrenalb" > model - at least, the appearance of it. I've wondered how they put 13 = ranks > into a chamber organ that's hardly 3' deep. I've heard a couple of > explanations: > 1. They use very small scaled pipework which means that the pipes are a =   > little smaller in diameter. > 2. Their pipework is so close together that it's difficult to work on. > 3. They may use common bases for some ranks. I would think that that = would > be mentioned in their specs if that were the case. > > Anyway, I'd really like to go study one of these chamber organs with the = side > panels removed so I can see how it all fits together. >   Another thing that helps is the shorter compass: 56 notes on the manuals and 30 notes in the pedal. Granted the missing pipes are small but they do contribute to the overall space savings.   ---john.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Chamber Organs From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:09:54 -0500   At 5:23 PM -0700 04/06/03, Steven Durham wrote: > >I have a questions that I hope you'll all be able to help me with. >How do organ builders cram so much pipe work into these small >positiv or chamber organs? The organ I'm building is already 2.5' >deep and I only got 3 ranks in it and have no room to spare.   Also, remember, many of these small chamber organs are on Slider Chests which allow the pipes to be planted closer together than you can with individual valves. Electro-Mechanical or Electro- Pneumatic valves/mechanism takes up much more space than what is actually required for the pipes. At the shop we we just did a chest that is about 36" deep and it has 9 stops, one of which is a IV Mixture, on it. Another chest has 10 stops on it including a V Mixture, in about the same depth. By careful design all the pipes are reachable for tuning and all have proper speaking room.   David  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Overblown Boudon From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@UntraveledRoad.com> Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:34:03 -0600   I had some 16' bourdons which had this same problem. In looking the pipes over, I found some cracks in them. I'll never confess what happened, but the cracks were quickly and inexpensively filled and the pipes have worked beautifully ever since.   Kelvin   >> On the heals of my question about initial tuning, I would like some = input >> about pipes that are easily overblown. Specially, my 16' bourdon CCC = and >> others in that octave seem to overblow quite easily. Does that = indicate >> loose stoppers? In the 8' octave the pipe are much louder with no over >> blowing. >> >> Thanks Bob Taylor >> >> >> >> DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >> Residence Pipe Organs. >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Overblown Boudon From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 00:51:41 -0300   It dont take much to cause a pipe not to speak properly. cracks it seems = as well as missing screw holes are what I found the most common problem. Its amazing how much this can affect a pipe.I too when I first hooked up my bourdon had the same problem as Kelvin.Once I found the problem and = glued them ,they make the most beautiful rumble sound Danielwh       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003