DIYAPASON-L Digest #793 - Friday, April 11, 2003
 
Ceiling Clearance
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net>
Computer Relays and Midi
  by "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Computer Relays and Midi
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk>
I apologize - Kilgen 4/14 TO is safe
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
WFIL Kilgen 4/14 NOT FOR SALE-is SAFE 2nd notice
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Computer Relays and Midi
  by "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
WICKS Warehouse Sale
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Overhead pipe clearance
  by "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  WICKS Warehouse Sale
  by "Dennis Faber" <reedorgan@msn.com>
 

(back) Subject: Ceiling Clearance From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:33:47 -0500   Thanks to all who responded to my problem. For the time being, I'm not changing anything. The pipes fit and sound OK on first inspection.   There no tradition racking at the foot for these pipes. A total of five ranks is involved in this very compact, original Aeolian design; three ranks of 8' strings, one 8' taper diapason, and the swell 16' bourdon. = The racking is all accomplished by three vertical posts with cross members. Cord attaches the pipes to the cross members for the metal pipes and pipe hangers for the bourdon. The cross members are about 40 inches above the chest. Each string rank has the bottom eight pipes supported in this manner. The diapason CC is mitered 90 degrees and is on an offset along with the bourdon C and C# which are mitered 180 degrees.   As I stated earlier, this is a very compact design. The chest is 8' wide and 7'6" deep (including a walk board) and holds 17 ranks, one being a = five rank mixture.   Thanks to all!   Bob Taylor        
(back) Subject: Computer Relays and Midi From: "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 08:52:05 -0700   List:   I know absolutely nothing about electronic/solid state/computer relays for pipe organs or MIDI but would like to know more from a beginning level. I would also like to know if you must have an electronic relay in order to = run MIDI voices through a pipe organ. Can anyone explain how this stuff works or recommend a book or two? I'd appreciate it.   Cordially,   Steven Durham Portland, OR      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Computer Relays and Midi From: "Tony Newnham" <organist@tsnp.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 18:26:00 +0100   Hi   Have a look at Colin Pykett's web site - there was a lot of interesting stuff there last time I looked. (www.pykett.org.uk)   You will need a MIDI interface, either from the existing relay, or from extra key contacts, to drive the MIDI expander(s) - and an amplification system so that you can hear the sounds!   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Computer Relays and Midi     | List: | | I know absolutely nothing about electronic/solid state/computer relays = for | pipe organs or MIDI but would like to know more from a beginning level. = I | would also like to know if you must have an electronic relay in order to run | MIDI voices through a pipe organ. Can anyone explain how this stuff = works | or recommend a book or two? I'd appreciate it. | | Cordially, | | Steven Durham | Portland, OR | | | | DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own | Residence Pipe Organs. | HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org | List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org | Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org | |      
(back) Subject: I apologize - Kilgen 4/14 TO is safe From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:23:50 -0400   Greetings all, I just received a polite, yet terse letter from the owner of the WFIL = Kilgen 4/14 theatre organ.   It is NOT FOR SALE.   It is SAFE and NOT HEADED FOR THE DUMP.   Situation leading to my postings:   My employer received a letter from someone who laid out the situation I = mentioned in a two page letter. Apparently the person had looked in the = Yellow Pages to find the names of organ companies who might be interested = in preventing the organ from being trashed. On that two-page letter was = stapled a business card with Kevin Collopy's name, and phone numbers on = it. The letter relayed the urgency that the organ might soon be sent to = the dump.   Taking the letter at face value, and hoping to prevent a senseless = trashing of a fine organ, I sent the information on to those whom I knew = would most likely be able to save it, namely you folks on the chatlines. = Fortunately, the owner (whose name was never mentioned in the original = letter) saw the listing, and contacted me to stop mentioning the "sale" of = the organ.   Folks, the Kilgen organ is NOT FOR SALE. I wash my hands of trying to save = any future pipe organ unless the demise of the instrument is stated = clearly over the owners' notarized name, and the original letter is in my = hands.          
(back) Subject: WFIL Kilgen 4/14 NOT FOR SALE-is SAFE 2nd notice From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 15:33:07 -0400   Greetings all, I just received a polite, yet terse letter from the owner of the WFIL = Kilgen 4/14 theatre organ.   It is NOT FOR SALE.   It is SAFE and NOT HEADED FOR THE DUMP.   Situation leading to my postings:   My employer received a letter from someone who laid out the situation I = mentioned in a two page letter. Apparently the person had looked in the = Yellow Pages to find the names of organ companies who might be interested = in preventing the organ from being trashed. On that two-page letter was = stapled a business card with Kevin Collopy's name, and phone numbers on = it. The letter relayed the urgency that the organ might soon be sent to = the dump.   Taking the letter at face value, and hoping to prevent a senseless = trashing of a fine organ, I sent the information on to those whom I knew = would most likely be able to save it, namely you folks on the chatlines. = Fortunately, the owner (whose name was never mentioned in the original = letter) saw the listing, and contacted me to stop mentioning the "sale" of = the organ.   Folks, the Kilgen organ is NOT FOR SALE. I wash my hands of trying to save = any future pipe organ unless the demise of the instrument is stated = clearly over the owners' notarized name, and the original letter is in my = hands.   Regretfully, Stan Krider      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Computer Relays and Midi From: "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 14:44:41 -0500   I don't claim to be an expert in Midi but I may be able to share some of what I have done. First, you do not need an electronic relay to run midi = on a pipe organ. A number of companies make midi interfaces that connect to = the back of the console at the pin-out board. The devices take a computer or midi instrument output and convert it to switch signals that shunt the = keys and stop switches on the console. The midi adapter performs the same electrical function as the key and stop contacts normally would, so it actually controls the existing relay just the same as the console hardware would. Often, some tweaking is necessary to make sure that notes do not continue to sound after the off command is issued, or that the correct = stops are brought in, but that is a proven way to take advantage of Midi without requiring replacement of an existing electro-mechanical relay.   As far as understanding the midi concept, just picture a matrix of = switches. The computer or midi control device issues on/off, timing, volume, and = other commands to the individual switches in the matrix. If the program needs to sound a middle "C", the computer generates a signal to close the virtual switch on the matrix that correlates to that note. When the software = contact is closed, the midi adapter that is connected to the console receives that signal and causes a corresponding transistor to act like a switch in the closed position. When that happens, a real-time 12 volt keying voltage is applied just as if you were depressing the key on the console. The organ relay would then perform it's normal functions and cause the pipe magnet = to be energized. From a hardware standpoint, that is really all there is to = it.   Hope this provides some help.   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Steven Durham Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:52 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Computer Relays and Midi     List:   I know absolutely nothing about electronic/solid state/computer relays for pipe organs or MIDI but would like to know more from a beginning level. I would also like to know if you must have an electronic relay in order to = run MIDI voices through a pipe organ. Can anyone explain how this stuff works or recommend a book or two? I'd appreciate it.   Cordially,   Steven Durham Portland, OR       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: WICKS Warehouse Sale From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 21:33:48 -0500   The following was sent to me with the request that I forward it to the = list   David   ***************************************************************** On Saturday May 10, 2003, the Wicks Organ Company will be opening its warehouse to the public to sell all items within and make more room for = our growing business. This warehouse has been the receptacle for almost 100 years' worth of organbuilding excess parts and supplies, and now the building is full. Items for sale include complete and partial pipe ranks, some of which have never been used, consoles, benches, manuals, chests, reservoirs, key contacts, LP record albums, historic brochures and printed material, DIRECT-ELECTRIC action units, swell motors, blowers, generators, rectifiers, motors, office furniture, chimes, percussion equipment and toy chests, pneumatic motors, electro-mechanical organ components, electric drawknobs (some brand new), stop tabs engraved and unengraved, an antique printing press, pipe trays, and much more, all of it priced to go, and prices are negotiable! Many parts are listed on the Used Parts list of Wicks' web site, (http://www.wicks.com/organ/parts.htm) but there are more pipes and tons of other parts that have never been cataloged. During that day the Wicks shop will be open for visitors to tour and to play and hear our newer instruments. Visa, MC, and Discover accepted. The warehouse is located at the corner of 6th Avenue and Cypress = Street in Highland, Illinois, just across the railroad tracks from the Wicks = Shop. The sale begins at 8:00 am and will end at 1:00. We will hold it open = later if we know you're coming. For more information, call Wicks at = 877-654-2191. *********************************************************************  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Overhead pipe clearance From: "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:40:36 -0400   Larry Chace wrote: > > Bob Taylor asked about a "low overhead" situation and its potential = effects > upon his string pipes.   I've put slot tuned strings within one inch (maybe a bit less) from the ceiling with no problems other than the pipes went just slightly flat, but I was able to compensate on the roll tuner. However.... make sure that you have enough room to insert (and remove) the pipes through the rack board into the toe holes. I think this was my biggest problem.   Jimmy    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] WICKS Warehouse Sale From: "Dennis Faber" <reedorgan@msn.com> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2003 23:53:40 -0400   Hi Jannetta,   Sorry to hear about you father. I hope things are going ok for you and = your family.   The reason I am e-mailing you is the wicks is having a sale and maybe something they have you may be able to use on my organ. I have e-mailed them to see if they have chimes for sale.   Are you still coming the Monday after Easter? I need to know asap so I = can schedule a appointment.   Thanks DEnnis       ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] WICKS Warehouse Sale     > The following was sent to me with the request that I forward it to the list > > David > > ***************************************************************** > On Saturday May 10, 2003, the Wicks Organ Company will be opening = its > warehouse to the public to sell all items within and make more room for our > growing business. This warehouse has been the receptacle for almost 100 > years' worth of organbuilding excess parts and supplies, and now the > building is full. Items for sale include complete and partial pipe = ranks, > some of which have never been used, consoles, benches, manuals, chests, > reservoirs, key contacts, LP record albums, historic brochures and = printed > material, DIRECT-ELECTRIC action units, swell motors, blowers, = generators, > rectifiers, motors, office furniture, chimes, percussion equipment and = toy > chests, pneumatic motors, electro-mechanical organ components, electric > drawknobs (some brand new), stop tabs engraved and unengraved, an = antique > printing press, pipe trays, and much more, all of it priced to go, and > prices are negotiable! Many parts are listed on the Used Parts list of > Wicks' web site, (http://www.wicks.com/organ/parts.htm) but there are = more > pipes and tons of other parts that have never been cataloged. During = that > day the Wicks shop will be open for visitors to tour and to play and = hear > our newer instruments. Visa, MC, and Discover accepted. > The warehouse is located at the corner of 6th Avenue and Cypress Street > in Highland, Illinois, just across the railroad tracks from the Wicks Shop. > The sale begins at 8:00 am and will end at 1:00. We will hold it open later > if we know you're coming. For more information, call Wicks at 877-654-2191. > ********************************************************************* > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >