DIYAPASON-L Digest #853 - Monday, August 4, 2003
 
Help, please with identifying a string stop
  by "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Help, please with identifying a string  stop
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Help, please with identifying a string stop
  by "Dan Eckles" <deckles169@earthlink.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Help, please with identifying a string stop
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
 

(back) Subject: Help, please with identifying a string stop From: "Elders, Craig" <c.elders@tcu.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:49:13 -0500   Good day to everyone.   While everyone is working away on their projects, I have a question for = you about something I want, but don't know what it might be.   In the Swell division of my home pipe organ (III/23), I have two set of = strings and Celestes, one a little Viola de Orchestra and matching = celeste and a big Gamba and a matching celeste. When I was building = this instrument, I thought I might like two different "soft" string = stops since it was in my house. What has happened is that I just love = the big Gamba and never have liked the VDO and it's celeste - it is just = too small, narrow and has a sharp edge (don't know how to describe it = any better than that).   My Gamba is great. The Gamba and its Celeste are just beautiful! The = Gamba gives a great foundation with I add my Swell 4' Principal, a 2' = Spitzprincipal and a little II mixture. (I can add a 8' Rohrflute or = even a 8' Gedeckt to really give a 8' bottom). But since I enjoy this = bigger and louder string, I want antother one (and celeste) to replace = the VDO - maybe even bigger and louder - I guess I am thinking more of a = "solo" string and celeste.   In all my thinking, I can't determine what I want. I think a Viola, = Dulciana, etc. will be too "narrow" of a sound (I don't want a second - = larger Gamba in there?) Boy, this is hard to describe, especially when = I don't know what I am talking about or certainly can't explain.   I know that a Dulciana, I think, is really a small "principal" type = sound and pipework. So in my mind I have been thinking that may be a = small principal and one for the celeste might be what I want. I know = that when voicing, you can make the diapasons a little more "fluty" and = wonder if that might be a good stop for my home. (I have not talked to a = "voicer" yet about this.) I have no idea of what a Violin Diapason is, = or a xyz Diapason, but wonder if this might be something to look at? = Would two of these work well as a celeste?   What DUZ you think? I certainly would appreciate some advice on this. = I feel the "urge" to do some more things to Eleanor (my pipe organ) one = of these days. (Last year I did not do any work on her as I got to play = a recital on a BIG new instrument and since it had been some time since = I had worked up a recital with some new music, that about took up any = spare time.) So now as I think about making some changes, I thought I = would ask for your help as I start "thinking" about what I might do.   Thanks for your help! Happy building, everyone! Craig Elders  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Help, please with identifying a string stop From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 09:08:00 -0700   Hello Craig, and List. I'm not a church/classical organ person, but I can give you a bit of perspective here. In the theatre organ world, there was (in larger instruments) usually a second diapason to contrast with the 'principal Principal', which was usually of the phonon or leathered lip variety. This second diapason was normally called 'Horn Diapason', and on classical instruments was called 'Violin Diapason' or 'String Diapason'. This was nearly as loud as the principal diapason, but with a stringier (but still diapason) tone. It was NOT a string, and probably wouldn't make a good celeste. One of Moller's 'fatter' Gemshorns (which were really stringy, not 'hornish') with its celeste might make a nice bigger string tone which would blend with the principal as well as the other string. Take this advice at what it cost you... ";-)     At 10:49 AM 8/4/2003 -0500, Elders, Craig wrote: >Good day to everyone. > >While everyone is working away on their projects, I have a question for >you about something I want, but don't know what it might be. > ><MAJOR SNIPPAGE> > I have no idea of what a Violin Diapason is, or a xyz Diapason, but > wonder if this might be something to look at? Would two of these work > well as a celeste?   Regards, Bob   http://home.jps.net/~rrloesch/index.htm    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Help, please with identifying a string stop From: "Dan Eckles" <deckles169@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:13:05 -0500   Craig you might want to consider a rank called Violoncello Pomposa...I = think is definitely a solo string tone and considered one of the louder of the string ranks. You can read more about it in the Encyclopedia of Organ = Stops which you can access on the web at: www.organstops.org. Hope this helps you get started on your search for just the right rank. Dan Eckles   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Elders, Craig Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 10:49 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Help, please with identifying a string stop     Good day to everyone.   While everyone is working away on their projects, I have a question for = you about something I want, but don't know what it might be.   In the Swell division of my home pipe organ (III/23), I have two set of strings and Celestes, one a little Viola de Orchestra and matching celeste and a big Gamba and a matching celeste. When I was building this instrument, I thought I might like two different "soft" string stops since it was in my house. What has happened is that I just love the big Gamba = and never have liked the VDO and it's celeste - it is just too small, narrow = and has a sharp edge (don't know how to describe it any better than that).   My Gamba is great. The Gamba and its Celeste are just beautiful! The = Gamba gives a great foundation with I add my Swell 4' Principal, a 2' Spitzprincipal and a little II mixture. (I can add a 8' Rohrflute or even = a 8' Gedeckt to really give a 8' bottom). But since I enjoy this bigger and louder string, I want antother one (and celeste) to replace the VDO - = maybe even bigger and louder - I guess I am thinking more of a "solo" string and celeste.   In all my thinking, I can't determine what I want. I think a Viola, Dulciana, etc. will be too "narrow" of a sound (I don't want a second - larger Gamba in there?) Boy, this is hard to describe, especially when I don't know what I am talking about or certainly can't explain.   I know that a Dulciana, I think, is really a small "principal" type sound and pipework. So in my mind I have been thinking that may be a small principal and one for the celeste might be what I want. I know that when voicing, you can make the diapasons a little more "fluty" and wonder if = that might be a good stop for my home. (I have not talked to a "voicer" yet = about this.) I have no idea of what a Violin Diapason is, or a xyz Diapason, but wonder if this might be something to look at? Would two of these work = well as a celeste?   What DUZ you think? I certainly would appreciate some advice on this. I feel the "urge" to do some more things to Eleanor (my pipe organ) one of these days. (Last year I did not do any work on her as I got to play a recital on a BIG new instrument and since it had been some time since I = had worked up a recital with some new music, that about took up any spare = time.) So now as I think about making some changes, I thought I would ask for = your help as I start "thinking" about what I might do.   Thanks for your help! Happy building, everyone! Craig Elders DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Help, please with identifying a string stop From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:59:29 -0500   At 10:49 AM -0500 8/4/03, Elders, Craig wrote: >In the Swell division of my home pipe organ (III/23), I have two set >of strings and Celestes, one a little Viola de Orchestra and >matching celeste and a big Gamba and a matching celeste. When I was >building this instrument, I thought I might like two different >"soft" string stops since it was in my house. What has happened is >that I just love the big Gamba and never have liked the VDO and it's >celeste - it is just too small, narrow and has a sharp edge (don't >know how to describe it any better than that).   Craig   One thing that you need to take into consideration as you make this decision/choice - you need to keep in mind the size of the replacement stops and the way your chest is laid out. A VDO is usually a small scale and something bigger may not fit on the chest where the VDO and its Celeste are fitting due to the larger scale.   Not knowing how much room you have, you might think about something like a Violin Diapason / Geigen or a Gemshorn and Celeste. But both of them would take up more "real estate" on the chest than the VDO is using.   David