DIYAPASON-L Digest #743 - Thursday, February 6, 2003
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: Divisional Blower
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
[Residence Organs]  RE: Divisional Blower
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Remote Blower control
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net>
Remote Blower control using low voltage.
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: Divisional Blower From: <GRSCoLVR@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:57:17 EST     --part1_1cc.1c96c10.2b737d6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Steve--- Regards your shipping the Orgoblo, heres some information I gained over = the past few years. Spencer Turbine apparently requested and was granted a "rate" for shipping =   blowers sometime in the dim past,,but it still prevails today---. You need = to ask the seller to specify "blowing machinery on skids" as to the = commodity listing for the Bill of Lading. End result in my case was paying freight = near the cost of blower when the "rate" was not used, and having another blower =   shipped with the rate applied,,,from almost accross the country, at about = 1/4 what the previous had cost. Both blowers were shipped motor freight incidentally. Hope this is of some value to you. Cheers, ---Roc L V Rockafellow New Jersey   --part1_1cc.1c96c10.2b737d6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D4 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Steve---<BR> Regards your shipping the Orgoblo, heres some information I gained over = the=3D20=3D past few years. <BR> Spencer Turbine apparently requested and was granted a "rate" for shipping = b=3D lowers sometime in the dim past,,but it still prevails today---. You need = to=3D ask the seller&nbsp; to specify "blowing machinery on skids" as to the = comm=3D odity listing for the Bill of Lading. End result in my case was paying = freig=3D ht near the cost of blower when the "rate" was not used, and having = another=3D20=3D blower shipped with the rate applied,,,from almost accross the country, at = a=3D bout 1/4 what the previous had cost.&nbsp; Both blowers were shipped motor = f=3D reight incidentally.&nbsp; <BR> Hope this is of some value to you. <BR> Cheers, <BR> ---Roc<BR> L V Rockafellow<BR> New Jersey </FONT></HTML>   --part1_1cc.1c96c10.2b737d6d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: Divisional Blower From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:52:13 -0800   >list: >MC NEELY ORGAN CO in Connecticut has a 1/2 HP Spencer blower for >sale. I need a divisional blower for my 6 rank Swell division and >have thought about purchasing the Spencer. I live in Tennessee. Does >anyone have any experience with shipping large heavy items like >that? My guess is that it would cost more than they want for the >blower to ship it. Also, if anyone on the list knows of something >similar available in the Southeast, let me know. I need about 400 >cfm at 5" static. > >Steve Pitts >Ardmore Tennessee > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org   We found a very reasonable shipper:   Jason Hoang   American Container Line 14862 Moran Street Westminster, CA 92683 Tel: 714-893-5666 Fax: 714-893-5262 Toll Free: 800-359-0004 Email : ocean@acline.com www.americancontainerline.com   Ask the organ Co. to band it on a pallet then it can be shipped easily.   John V  
(back) Subject: Remote Blower control From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:17:16 -0600   Thanks for all the input. So far, David O. Doerschuk has hit the nail on the head for me. Actually, what he describes below is the way the organ was wired when I purchased it.   >2. If you've got a starter with remote pushbutton wiring, you can = install >multiple (n) pushbutton stations by using the following circuit. All >"Start" pushbuttons are Normally Open (shelf state is non-conducting), = all >"Stop" pushbuttons are Normally Closed (shelf state is conducting). I = tried >to do an Obnoxious ASCII Drawing (tm), but it was too hard. The essence = is >that 3 wires are run between each pushbutton station. All the Start >pushbuttons are in parallel with each other and the Normally Open aux >contact on the contactor. All the Stop pushbuttons are in series. For >current to flow to the contactor's coil, all the Stop pushbuttons always >have to be "non-pushed", (closed, since they're Normally Closed), and = only >one of the Start pushbuttons has to be momentarily pressed. Once the = coil >pulls in, the aux contact shorts across the Start pushbutton circuit, and >the contactor will stay pulled in until either a Stop pushbutton is = pressed >(breaking the circuit), or the heater overload opens. There are no race >conditions in the circuit: all the Start pushbuttons have equivalent >priority, and any Stop pushbutton and the heater overload all have higher >priority than any Start pushbutton. At least, that's how the computer = folks >think about it! :-)   But my desire is to have LOW VOLTAGE remote start and stop switches, not the 220v that is presently installed. I want the same logic as he explained above. As I posted before, my starter relay stop button, can lock in a fully depressed position, which disables all remote start buttons. In that condition, the start must occur at the relay itself. If the starter relay "stop button" is not fully depressed, the lock function is not engaged. This is a very good safety feature.   I know That I can make from scratch a low voltage system to control the present 220v starting relay. I thought perhaps, someone could lead me to the hardware required.   Again, thanks to everyone for the suggestions.   Bob Taylor      
(back) Subject: Remote Blower control using low voltage. From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:05:21 -0600   "Robert W. Taylor" wrote: > Thanks for all the input. So far, David O. Doerschuk has hit the nail = on > the head for me.   <snip>   > But my desire is to have LOW VOLTAGE remote start and stop switches, not > the 220v that is presently installed. I want the same logic as he > explained above. As I posted before, my starter relay stop button, can > lock in a fully depressed position, which disables all remote start > buttons. In that condition, the start must occur at the relay itself. = If > the starter relay "stop button" is not fully depressed, the lock = function > is not engaged. This is a very good safety feature.   That must be something that UK-built Starters feature. It's similar to a "RESET" button on most Magnetic Starters, which is engaged when the "Heaters" tell the starter to shut down due to running overcurrent problems; especially "single-phasing". > I know That I can make from scratch a low voltage system to control the > present 220v starting relay. I thought perhaps, someone could lead me = to > the hardware required.   All you should have to do is two things differently:   1) Change your existing starter coil from 220 volts to 24 volts. That is a fairly common control voltage -at least here in the USA. 2) Obtain a Control Transformer that has a 24 volt output and instead of having the originating wires come from one of the poles of the starter, which is what is customarily done with "line-voltage" control, use the output of the control transformer instead. Otherwise, the wiring is exactly as David described.   Faithfully,   Grandpa Arp (Resident Organbuilder/Registered Electrical Contractor)   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL