DIYAPASON-L Digest #744 - Friday, February 7, 2003
 
Remote Blower control using low voltage
  by "David Geiger" <dcgmkg@worldnet.att.net>
Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
cable connectors
  by "F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam" <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu>
Re: cable connectors
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Re: cable connectors
  by "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Remote Blower control
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
[Residence Organs]  Re: cable connectors
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Remote Blower control using low voltage From: "David Geiger" <dcgmkg@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 02:27:33 -0800   Honeywell makes a series of "Tradeline" controls intended to interface thermostats etc. with HVAC equipment. The one I have is in a small steel enclosure and contains a 24V transformer, two separate 24V SPDT relays and = a terminal board. Contacts are rated around 6A. I use mine to control a remote player piano vacuum pump. One set of relay contacts can be used as = a latch in the two-button start/stop switch setup with the other contacts switching the motor starter contactor coil. These show up occasionally on eBay; I paid $10 for mine. Specs and instruction sheets are available on Honeywell's web site. Be sure the transformer has the correct primary voltage for your needs. Hope this helps.   Dave      
(back) Subject: Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 07:58:52 -0600   danielwh wrote: > I have been working on the small 30 note Aeolian lever arm windchest. It > was without a bottom board. I made a bottom board and drilled the proper > channels in it and installed magnets. > Problem is, Now that I have installed the bottom board and add wind to = it, I > have a few notes that speak immediatly. And these notes speak even if I > unhook the wind and blow in the intake of chest with my own wind.. > Question is > What is wrong   First obvious question:   Did you use springs of some sort to hold the valves shut? If not, then that's your problem. The Pouches should be large enough to not only overcome the pallet valve force, but also the spring tension.   > Is it possible that the magnet which supposed to route an equal = preassure > through to the leather poach at the opposite end of the pallet lever = isnt > getting a sufficient amount of wind to keep it inflated when magnet is = not > exhausiting it > If so, What do I do??   > and is there something else that could be wrong?   You could have a leak in your channel to atmosphere. Did you seal the bores from the magnet to the Pouch Well? Did you seal the Pouch wells?   Some things are so obvious, we sometimes don't think about them!   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: cable connectors From: "F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam" <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:27:13 -0500   Greetings, all- I'm a newcomer to the list who has just moved Wicks #4050 [2/7] from Atlanta to FL & am getting ready to install it in our home. I had to cut cables to remove it & want to re-connect with commercial connectors, at low cost if possible.   I recabled Tellers #848 with Deutz crimp-pin connectors about 25 years ago. They worked well....and were very cheap from a surplus outlet. Haven't found any similar deal on connectors yet this time. Some expert 'electroniker' friends have recommended AMP cpc connectors with crimp pins as being relatively inexpensive & easier to install than, say, DB-50's with solder pins [which are currently available from a surplus outlet].   Any recommendations from y'all will be much appreciated.   Gene     ************************************************* * F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam * * Gator Slide Farm * * 104 SE 138 Ave. <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu> * * Micanopy, FL 32667 (352) 466-3538 * * <http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~dunnam/Welcome.html>* *************************************************  
(back) Subject: Re: cable connectors From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 10:06:51 -0500   Gene) Dunnam <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu> asked about cable connectors.   Some folks have suggested using telephone-ish cables, often available in 25-pair (50 conductors) versions with attached male and female connectors (the "CHAMP" type, also used in 36-position format for many PC printers). You then cut the cable, soldering the cut ends onto the organ's junction strips (in place of the original cabling). The male and female connectors then mate to complete the connections.   (This has several advantages, if you can find these cables in an appropriate length, in that you don't have to connect the conductors to = the connectors and you also eliminate the old, perhaps no longer legal, = wiring.)   I'll try to search the various notes I've kept to see if I can come up = with some suggested vendors of such cables.   AMP also makes these CHAMP connectors in various sizes (including 64 positions) fitted with insulation displacement attachment of the = conductors to the connector terminals. Diki-Key sells them, as well as the little T-handle punch-down tool. Try page 104 of the current Digi-Key catalog (http://www.digikey.com). For example, here are the Digi-Key part numbers for a 64-position plug, a 64-position recepticle, 64-position strain = relief covers, and the punch-down tool: A24252 ($3.38), A24254 ($4.14), A24282 ($0.94), and A1529 ($8.82). These are for 24-26ga solid wire.   If you want 64-conductor (32-pair) telephone cable, Organ Supply sells it; probably other vendors do as well. OSI's cable is really a double 16-pair cable, in that the color coding runs through 16 pairs and then repeats = (but with the next color for the bundle wrapping).   I'm currently (HA!) using these items for the wiring of a theatre organ stoprail (172 Syndyne stop action units). The AMP connector will be used to make the fallboard unit separable from the horseshoe. These IDC = devices (punch-down) are probably quite a bit quicker to wire up than the old solder-cup or crimp-on terminal types. You do need to include the strain-relief accessories, though, if you want to sleep well at night. = ;-) The 64-conductor cable works out well since the magnet driver boards and the input boards are set up for 64 positions each.   Or, you can do what the old Hinners organ company did (up until their demise in 1936) -- get a whole bunch of "dress snaps) and solder wires = onto them to make cable connectors!   Rich Schneider wrote extensively on the topic of cables -- see the = PIPORG-L archives for 9/8/2001, subject "TELCO Cable Markings".   A note to DIY-L from Mac Hayes (10/18/2000) included these URLs for = various telephony items:   http://www.phonegeeks.com/66m50pairpun.html http://www.phonegeeks.com/concab.html   Happy wiring!   Larry Chace        
(back) Subject: Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:04:23 -0400   I since have solved the first problem, the problem is now.I add wind , = all pipes are silent.I activate note , it speaks like it should .I deactivate note , it keeps on playing.I take magnet apart put it back together , do = all the same as I mentioned above and the cycle starts all over.I dont think = the magnet is returning to its resting position Why? Danielwh     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003    
(back) Subject: Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:38:08 -0600   I tried to send this privately, but it got bounced back as undeliverable, so I'm having to re-send it to the list.     Daniel: please send me a VALID EMAIL address!!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   danielwh wrote: I don't think the magnet is returning to its resting position > Why?   Most likely residual magnetism. If these are older magnets, that is a problem. Also, some magnets have a small gasket between the poles of the magnet and the armature (the moving part). If that's missing, the armature can get "stuck" to the pole of the magnet.   What kind of magnets are these? Do you have a photograph you can send me?   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Re: cable connectors From: "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:54:48 -0600   To add a note to Larry's comments, organ/telephone cable is available in = not only 50 conductor but also 65 and 100 conductors. I bought mine from = Greybar Electric in 1000 foot rolls. I might suggest that you check out = Peterson's website as they offer several junction board options. I have a set of = their boards on my relay and I basically ended up with two of the 65 conductor cables handling the manuals, one 50 conductor cable that is handling the pedals and swell shades, and a 100 conductor handling the stops and accessories. Each of these cables terminates in a nylon plug strip which plugs onto the wire-wrap type pins on the terminal boards at the console = and the relay. Between the relay and chests, I used 65 conductor cable with standard DB25 computer connectors on the relay end. At the relay, I have a long narrow chassis with DB25 female connectors. Each 61 note chest has three DB-25 plugs on the end of the cable which are numbered 1,2 and 3, = and plug into corresponding DB25 female connectors on the relay. The plugs are designed with screws which lock the connectors together so that the weight of the cable can't pull and partially disconnect them.   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Larry Chace Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:07 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: cable connectors     Gene) Dunnam <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu> asked about cable connectors.   Some folks have suggested using telephone-ish cables, often available in 25-pair (50 conductors) versions with attached male and female connectors (the "CHAMP" type, also used in 36-position format for many PC printers). You then cut the cable, soldering the cut ends onto the organ's junction strips (in place of the original cabling). The male and female connectors then mate to complete the connections.   (This has several advantages, if you can find these cables in an appropriate length, in that you don't have to connect the conductors to = the connectors and you also eliminate the old, perhaps no longer legal, = wiring.)   I'll try to search the various notes I've kept to see if I can come up = with some suggested vendors of such cables.   AMP also makes these CHAMP connectors in various sizes (including 64 positions) fitted with insulation displacement attachment of the = conductors to the connector terminals. Diki-Key sells them, as well as the little T-handle punch-down tool. Try page 104 of the current Digi-Key catalog (http://www.digikey.com). For example, here are the Digi-Key part numbers for a 64-position plug, a 64-position recepticle, 64-position strain = relief covers, and the punch-down tool: A24252 ($3.38), A24254 ($4.14), A24282 ($0.94), and A1529 ($8.82). These are for 24-26ga solid wire.   If you want 64-conductor (32-pair) telephone cable, Organ Supply sells it; probably other vendors do as well. OSI's cable is really a double 16-pair cable, in that the color coding runs through 16 pairs and then repeats = (but with the next color for the bundle wrapping).   I'm currently (HA!) using these items for the wiring of a theatre organ stoprail (172 Syndyne stop action units). The AMP connector will be used to make the fallboard unit separable from the horseshoe. These IDC = devices (punch-down) are probably quite a bit quicker to wire up than the old solder-cup or crimp-on terminal types. You do need to include the strain-relief accessories, though, if you want to sleep well at night. = ;-) The 64-conductor cable works out well since the magnet driver boards and the input boards are set up for 64 positions each.   Or, you can do what the old Hinners organ company did (up until their demise in 1936) -- get a whole bunch of "dress snaps) and solder wires = onto them to make cable connectors!   Rich Schneider wrote extensively on the topic of cables -- see the = PIPORG-L archives for 9/8/2001, subject "TELCO Cable Markings".   A note to DIY-L from Mac Hayes (10/18/2000) included these URLs for = various telephony items:   http://www.phonegeeks.com/66m50pairpun.html http://www.phonegeeks.com/concab.html   Happy wiring!   Larry Chace         DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Remote Blower control From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:39:15 -0800   Use a 24VAC transformer to supply the low voltage and a pair of 24VAC coil relays that have contacts rated for the 220VAC.   One will be your "ON" relay. The other your "OFF" relay. Use 3 wire cable to run to remote on/off push buttons where each button picks the corresponding relay. The ON relay picks the contactor which usualy has a set of contacts that you wire in parallel with the ON relay N/O contacts so that the contacter stays energized. However this parallel path to the contactor pick coil MUST also go through a set of N/C contacts on the OFF relay. So when you push the OFF button it picks the OFF relay and drops out the contactor .   All parts easily obtainable from www.allelectronics.com or other = suppliers.   John V  
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] Re: cable connectors From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:15:07 -0600   At 10:06 AM -0500 02/07/03, Larry Chace wrote: >Rich Schneider wrote extensively on the topic of cables -- see the = PIPORG-L >archives for 9/8/2001, subject "TELCO Cable Markings".   The color code chart for wiring is available on the list web site [http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org] under resources. It is available both as a PDF document and an Excel worksheet.   David -- ********************************************************* David Scribner, Owner DIYAPASON-L - a mailing list for the owners/builders of their own home pipe organ mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Tips regarding Cyphering pipes on an EP chest From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:02:37 -0400   I dont have a picture of them, but they are casavant magnets, they do have gaskets, one between the bottom board and the other between the part = that comes offthat holds the disk Danielwh     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003