DIYAPASON-L Digest #745 - Saturday, February 8, 2003
 
Telco Wiring
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Rich's wiring article
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Home Organ Progress
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Phase Question
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
New Motor
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Telco Wiring From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:01:10 -0600   I'd like to read Rich's post on Telco Wiring, but it's not in the archives for that date. Can you recheck? Dennis Steckley ________________ At 10:06 AM -0500 02/07/03, Larry Chace wrote: >Rich Schneider wrote extensively on the topic of cables -- see the = PIPORG-L >archives for 9/8/2001, subject "TELCO Cable Markings".      
(back) Subject: Rich's wiring article From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:02:04 -0600   Oops.......sorry.....I was in the diyapason archives, not PIPORG-L.\   Dennis Steckley    
(back) Subject: Home Organ Progress From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:30:17 EST     --part1_e.2c87a76c.2b772549_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   Hopefully I will soon be making bigger steps so I don't bore people with small details, but, in the mean time......   I've had my blower completely apart now. I tried some of that Foaming = Engine Cleaner that was recommended. My garden hose has been frozen up, so I = can't really wash it off except with a bucket of water. No, I don't expect you guys up north to feel sorry for me and my frozen hose. It does get cold = in Georgia.   I got the wild idea to take my parts - except the impellers - to the = nearby car wash to spray them off. With the motor and the steel motor mounts removed, I was able to push the 36" blower up the wooden ramps into the = back of my pick-up all by myself. I loaded the main cover, the divider, the "dish" shaped panel near the motor, and the two motor mounts and lined = them up against the wall at the car wash. I sprayed them off with the = engine/tire cleaner first, then the actual wash/soap. Then the wrinse, of course.   Beforehand, I had removed the thick pad over the outlet grate, so I would only have metal to clean. Anyway, all went well.   Some of the panels appear to be brown. Is that the primer? A good bit of =   the "black" has come off the inside of the blower housing. Roc had = suggested that much of the "grease" that would come off the inside might actually be =   one of the more primitive black paints.   Now, I plan to move the parts into the playroom where it is heated. I = will paint everything with semigloss Rust-o-leum unless y'all have a better = idea. I plan to clean the impellers by hand.   I hope to take my motor to a repair shop next week to get it cleaned and whatever else done to it that one does to old motors.   Have a blessed Sunday, Keith   --part1_e.2c87a76c.2b772549_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">List,<BR> <BR> Hopefully I will soon be making bigger steps so I don't bore people with = sma=3D ll details, but, in the mean time......<BR> <BR> I've had my blower completely apart now.&nbsp; I tried some of that = Foaming=3D20=3D Engine Cleaner that was recommended.&nbsp; My garden hose has been frozen = up=3D , so I can't really wash it off except with a bucket of water.&nbsp; No, I = d=3D on't expect you guys up north to feel sorry for me and my frozen = hose.&nbsp;=3D It does get cold in Georgia.<BR> <BR> I got the wild idea to take my parts - except the impellers - to the = nearby=3D20=3D car wash to spray them off.&nbsp; With the motor and the steel motor = mounts=3D20=3D removed, I was able to push the 36" blower up the wooden ramps into the = back=3D of my pick-up all by myself.&nbsp; I loaded the main cover, the divider, = th=3D e "dish" shaped panel near the motor, and the two motor mounts and lined = the=3D m up against the wall at the car wash.&nbsp; I sprayed them off with the = eng=3D ine/tire cleaner first, then the actual wash/soap.&nbsp; Then the wrinse, = of=3D course.<BR> <BR> Beforehand, I had removed the thick pad over the outlet grate, so I would = on=3D ly have metal to clean.&nbsp; Anyway, all went well.<BR> <BR> Some of the panels appear to be brown.&nbsp; Is that the primer?&nbsp; A = goo=3D d bit of the "black" has come off the inside of the blower housing.&nbsp; = Ro=3D c had suggested that much of the "grease" that would come off the inside = mig=3D ht actually be one of the more primitive black paints.<BR> <BR> Now, I plan to move the parts into the playroom where it is heated.&nbsp; = I=3D20=3D will paint everything with semigloss Rust-o-leum unless y'all have a = better=3D20=3D idea.&nbsp; I plan to clean the impellers by hand.<BR> <BR> I hope to take my motor to a repair shop next week to get it cleaned and = wha=3D tever else done to it that one does to old motors.<BR> <BR> Have a blessed Sunday,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e.2c87a76c.2b772549_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Phase Question From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:42:41 EST     --part1_46.351622f4.2b772831_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   As some of you might remember, I was trying to decide whether or not I had = a single phase or a 3-phase motor. When we were dismantling the organ from = its garage installation, my dad simply cut the large wire about a foot from = the motor. The blower was turned on/off by a one-armed bandit under the workbench across the garage. It's a wonder I didn't get shocked. After I =   turned off the blower before dismantling, I kinda found the switch by = "feel". Then I "looked" and saw that the lid was open on the box.   Anyway, I have had a professional coming thru town as well as another = amateur (who actually put his meter to it) look at the motor and tell me that it = is definitely a 3-phase motor.   I contacted an organ buff who was a friend of the late Dr. Doty (pervious owner of my organ) asking about the phase converter. He checked with the young guy who cared for Dr. Doty and who now has the house from which the organ was removed (garage installation, remember). He said that he = quickly cleaned out the garage and thrown everything away. He remembers the small =   switch box, but says that there was nothing in it except a couple fuses.   The friend checked with a couple other "old organ friends" of Dr. Doty who =   said that he had hooked this all up himself after removing it from the church. Nobody remembers any kind of phase converter. They are = theorizing that he ran the blower on single-phase power.   Can you do this??? I was told that this 2hp 36" blower should be able to provide wind to a much larger organ than the 13 ranks that I have. In = fact, the blower appears to be the same size as one blowing a 26 rank Austin I visited (except that it was belt driven by a single-phase motor). Maybe = this blower wasn't running on all its cylinders for the past 30 years!!!   Regardless, I plan to run the proper sized wire to the basement and I plan = to get a phase converter and a remote switch for it. I live in a house = that's nice enough that I wouldn't want to burn it down. I was just wondering if =   y'all have seen this done.   Keith   --part1_46.351622f4.2b772831_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">List,<BR> <BR> As some of you might remember, I was trying to decide whether or not I had = a=3D single phase or a 3-phase motor.&nbsp; When we were dismantling the organ = f=3D rom its garage installation, my dad simply cut the large wire about a foot = f=3D rom the motor.&nbsp; The blower was turned on/off by a one-armed bandit = unde=3D r the workbench across the garage.&nbsp; It's a wonder I didn't get = shocked.=3D &nbsp; After I turned off the blower before dismantling, I kinda found the = s=3D witch by "feel".&nbsp; Then I "looked" and saw that the lid was open on = the=3D20=3D box.<BR> <BR> Anyway, I have had a professional coming thru town as well as another = amateu=3D r (who actually put his meter to it) look at the motor and tell me that it = i=3D s definitely a 3-phase motor.<BR> <BR> I contacted an organ buff who was a friend of the late Dr. Doty (pervious = ow=3D ner of my organ) asking about the phase converter.&nbsp; He checked with = the=3D young guy who cared for Dr. Doty and who now has the house from which the = o=3D rgan was removed (garage installation, remember).&nbsp; He said that he = quic=3D kly cleaned out the garage and thrown everything away.&nbsp; He remembers = th=3D e small switch box, but says that there was nothing in it except a couple = fu=3D ses.<BR> <BR> The friend checked with a couple other "old organ friends" of Dr. Doty who = s=3D aid that he had hooked this all up himself after removing it from the = church=3D ..&nbsp; Nobody remembers any kind of phase converter.&nbsp; They are = theoriz=3D ing that he ran the blower on single-phase power. <BR> <BR> Can you do this???&nbsp; I was told that this 2hp 36" blower should be able=3D20=3D to provide wind to a much larger organ than the 13 ranks that I = have.&nbsp;=3D20=3D In fact, the blower appears to be the same size as one blowing a 26 rank = Aus=3D tin I visited (except that it was belt driven by a single-phase = motor).&nbsp=3D ; Maybe this blower wasn't running on all its cylinders for the past 30 = year=3D s!!!<BR> <BR> Regardless, I plan to run the proper sized wire to the basement and I plan = t=3D o get a phase converter and a remote switch for it.&nbsp;&nbsp; I live in = a=3D20=3D house that's nice enough that I wouldn't want to burn it down.&nbsp; I was = j=3D ust wondering if y'all have seen this done.<BR> <BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_46.351622f4.2b772831_boundary--  
(back) Subject: New Motor From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:57:20 EST     --part1_19f.106cd01d.2b772ba0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   List,   Not meaning to bombarde the list with e-mails, I decided to post this one separately. I submitted a variation of this question earlier, but got no reply, so here goes....   After explaining to some people with some "basic" electrical knowledge = (not asking for advice, just sharing with them a little about my project) I've been asked the following: After having to get my 3-phase motor cleaned = and reconditioned, purchasing a phase converter, plus whatever else is needed, =   why not just buy a single-phase motor? Sounds like an honest question.   I tho't I remembered reading some advice about choosing "new" motors for blowers and what things were unique to the organ blower application that needed to be considered. I can't recall the information, though.   One consideration that I do remember is the length of the shaft. It's = hard to find new motors with the long shaft.   I've seen a couple applications in which the original shaft was salvaged = from the old motor and a pulley mounted onto the end. The new single-phase = motor was mounted in a belt driven configuration. I think somebody recently = posted a link to a picture of his modification.   My answer this morning to one who had suggested getting a new motor = consisted of the issue of shaft length as well as expense. I figured that a new single-phase motor would cost more than getting my present one cleaned, purchasing the switch and converter, and paying somebody to wire it up for = me - or tell me how to do it. An additional expense in a new motor would be trying to redo the drive mechanism - direct drive vs. belt drive.   My present motor is a Woods 3-phase 2hp 1200 rpm motor. Does that mean = that I can simply find a 220v 2hp 1200 rpm single-phase motor with which to replace it? Anyway, I would appreciate some comments on how to choose a motor and how much one might cost compared with redoing my present 3-phase =   motor.   If all goes well, I should be breaking wind in a few weeks.   Thanks, Keith   --part1_19f.106cd01d.2b772ba0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">List,<BR> <BR> Not meaning to bombarde the list with e-mails, I decided to post this one = se=3D parately.&nbsp; I submitted a variation of this question earlier, but got = no=3D reply, so here goes....<BR> <BR> After explaining to some people with some "basic" electrical knowledge = (not=3D20=3D asking for advice, just sharing with them a little about my project) I've = be=3D en asked the following:&nbsp; After having to get my 3-phase motor cleaned = a=3D nd reconditioned, purchasing a phase converter, plus whatever else is = needed=3D , why not just buy a single-phase motor?&nbsp; Sounds like an honest = questio=3D n.<BR> <BR> I tho't I remembered reading some advice about choosing "new" motors for = blo=3D wers and what things were unique to the organ blower application that = needed=3D to be considered.&nbsp; I can't recall the information, though.<BR> <BR> One consideration that I do remember is the length of the shaft.&nbsp; = It's=3D20=3D hard to find new motors with the long shaft.<BR> <BR> I've seen a couple applications in which the original shaft was salvaged = fro=3D m the old motor and a pulley mounted onto the end.&nbsp; The new = single-phas=3D e motor was mounted in a belt driven configuration.&nbsp; I think somebody = r=3D ecently posted a link to a picture of his modification.<BR> <BR> My answer this morning to one who had suggested getting a new motor = consiste=3D d of the issue of shaft length as well as expense.&nbsp; I figured that a = ne=3D w single-phase motor would cost more than getting my present one cleaned, = pu=3D rchasing the switch and converter, and paying somebody to wire it up for = me=3D20=3D - or tell me how to do it.&nbsp; An additional expense in a new motor = would=3D20=3D be trying to redo the drive mechanism - direct drive vs. belt drive.<BR> <BR> My present motor is a Woods 3-phase 2hp 1200 rpm motor.&nbsp; Does that = mean=3D that I can simply find a 220v 2hp 1200 rpm single-phase motor with which = to=3D replace it?&nbsp; Anyway, I would appreciate some comments on how to = choose=3D a motor and how much one might cost compared with redoing my present = 3-phas=3D e motor.<BR> <BR> If all goes well, I should be breaking wind in a few weeks.<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_19f.106cd01d.2b772ba0_boundary--