DIYAPASON-L Digest #747 - Monday, February 10, 2003
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Little experiment
  by "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net>
Little experiment-reed tongue/Schallot positioning
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Little experiment
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Little experiment
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: Variable frequency drives
  by <d.doerschuk@att.net>
Something has gone wacky
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Little experiment
  by "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Little experiment
  by "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Little experiment
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Little experiment
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:43:11 -0800   To add to David's comments, by all means use crocus cloth for polishing = the shallot face, and be gentle. My past experience has shown that steel wool of any grade is problematic when used with reeds and anywhere around circuit boards or contacts. It sheds fibers like a dog in the spring (that's rather poetic, isn't it?), and these almost microscopic bits both conduct electricity and tend to adhere to other metal surfaces, thus introducing crud into your reed shallot/tongue assembly right off the bat.   When you put the shallot back into the boot, look for a small mark near = the resonator end of the shallot; this "voicer's mark" indicates how far into the block the shallot should go.   Greg Rister Pipe Organ Craftsmen Pomona, California     > [Original Message] > From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> > To: Residence Organ List <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Date: 02/09/2003 6:46:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment > > At 4:19 PM -0500 02/09/03, Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote: > >The boot section on this large pipe separated easily from the > >resonator (there being a junction after the first appr 6" of > >resonator). I removed the boot cover, got the tuning wire out of > >the way. Removed the wedge, reed, and shallot. Inside the shallot > >were two large dried up flies - like large horseflies. I picked out > >their remains, shined up the shallot with some very fine steel wool, > >very gently rubbed the reed, and put it all back together. > > Keith > > If you want to "polish" the shallot face you really need to use some > "crocus" (sp?) paper with it resting on something very flat, like a > piece of glass and then rub the shallot on that. Even fine steel > wool is enough to scratch the shallot face. Also make sure that you > position the reed correctly before tightening the wedge when putting > it all back together. > > David > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org       --- Gregory Rister --- grandcornet@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.      
(back) Subject: Little experiment-reed tongue/Schallot positioning From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 04:38:46 -0600   David Scribner wrote: > If you want to "polish" the shallot face you really need to use some > "crocus" (sp?) paper with it resting on something very flat, like a > piece of glass and then rub the shallot on that. Even fine steel > wool is enough to scratch the shallot face. Also make sure that you > position the reed correctly before tightening the wedge when putting > it all back together. Adding to David's remark, there usually is a "Voicing Mark" filed into the Brass Schallot which serves as a guide as to where to position the Schallot in the Block before putting the Reed Tongue back in place and carefully driving the wedge home.   Oh, and it goes without saying to be sure to put the reed tongue in right way round; both in terms of front-to-back relationship to the Schallot, but also in terms of end-to-end. That's usually very obvious by some discoloration of the reed tongue by the wedge held against it. Be very careful to note this.   Faithfully,   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:48:36 -0600   Hi, Years ago I was helping repair a Kilgen when one of the reeds would not sound. Way up there in the pipe chamber, with no crocus cloth we used a dollar bill to polish the shallot. Seems to have just the perfect amount = of "grit", and it doesn't scratch. BAF II      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:06:07 EST     --part1_73.2d420d4d.2b7919df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/10/2003 8:49:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, firman1@prodigy.net writes:     > Years ago I was helping repair a Kilgen when one of the reeds would not > sound. Way up there in the pipe chamber, with no crocus cloth we used a > dollar bill to polish the shallot. Seems to have just the perfect amount = of > .   When I visited my organ for its "test drive" Bruce Cornely did the same = thing to one of the oboe pipes that wouldn't play. Of course, he had to use MY dollar bill. I think he gave it back, tho'. Bruce, by the way, was extremely helpful in assisting my dad and me in loading up the the largest =   pieces of the organ as well as driving us around for meals.   Keith     --part1_73.2d420d4d.2b7919df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/10/2=3D 003 8:49:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, firman1@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Years ago I was helping = rep=3D air a Kilgen when one of the reeds would not <BR>sound. Way up there in the pipe chamber, with no crocus cloth we used = a <BR>dollar bill to polish the shallot. Seems to have just the perfect = amount=3D of <BR>"grit", and it doesn't scratch</BLOCKQUOTE>.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#0000=3D 00" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> <BR>When I visited my organ for its "test drive" Bruce Cornely did the = same=3D20=3D thing to one of the oboe pipes that wouldn't play. &nbsp;Of course, he had = t=3D o use MY dollar bill. &nbsp;I think he gave it back, tho'. &nbsp;Bruce, by = t=3D he way, was extremely helpful in assisting my dad and me in loading up the = t=3D he largest pieces of the organ as well as driving us around for meals. <BR> <BR>Keith <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_73.2d420d4d.2b7919df_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Variable frequency drives From: <d.doerschuk@att.net> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:28:30 +0000   Larry Chace writes:   > The recent note about needing a 3-phase motor starter reminded me that, = as > I understand it, with a variable frequency drive you do not need (and in > fact can't use) the 3-phase motor starter. The drive performs the = starter > functions and the over-current protection.   Good point, Larry. I can't recall ever seeing a Variable Frequency Drive = that expected (or could tolerate) a starter between it's output and the motor. =   Also, within the last 5 or 10 years, all the new Variable Frequency Drives = I've seen have done their own over-current protection. However, if you're = buying a used VFD you absolutely must check it's manual: many drives (e.g. Allen- Bradley's 1330 series) required an external heater block to be wired into = the start/stop circuit.   While you're adding up equipment to purchase, don't forget a local = disconnect switch and a surge protection block.   Best of Luck, Dave  
(back) Subject: Something has gone wacky From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:26:45 -0400   Today I decided to work on the electrical hook up of some pipes on my = Organ Could anybody email me a proper diagram on how to properly hook up a keyboard contact rail, I have ran into the problem that the Neutral wire isnt working hte way = it should, it seems like some of the magnets want to work without even the neutral wire hooked up to the return from the chest,, I have pipes = speaking when the stop isnt even drawed I need help Immediatlyand it seems like when I disconnect the neutral = wire off an offset chest, then the stop knob works I have pipes that speak when the stop isnt turned on and others on the chests that remain silent   Daniel WH Urgent reply needed       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:08:45 -0500   Years ago, Mr. Walters, who had a pipe organ firm in DC, also told me to use a clean dollar bill, for cleaning of the reeds and Shallots.   Jimmy in Virginia   firman1 wrote: > > Hi, > Years ago I was helping repair a Kilgen when one of the reeds would not > sound. Way up there in the pipe chamber, with no crocus cloth we used a > dollar bill to polish the shallot. Seems to have just the perfect amount = of > "grit", and it doesn't scratch. > BAF II    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: "John Haskey" <johnh@haskey.net> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:14:20 -0800 (PST)       On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Jimmy wrote:   > Years ago, Mr. Walters, who had a pipe organ firm in DC, also told me > to use a clean dollar bill, for cleaning of the reeds and Shallots. >     This was discussed at length in December, 1994 on the PIPORG-L list. There was spirited debate over which denomination was appropriate. Apparently, C.B. Fisk uses 20 dollar bills. One person claimed to have used a one-thousand dollar bill and noted the the results sounded like a thousandth of a million bucks! If you are bored:   http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S2=3Dpiporg-l&q=3Dreed+clean+bil= l&0=3DS&s=3D&f=3D&a=3D&b=3D   ---john.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:07:43 -0800   I must have been moving in the wrong organ circles! It has been YEARS since any of my 'organ friends' had enough dollar bills that they could = use one for ANYTHING, leastways cleaning reeds... ";-)     At 12:14 PM 2/10/03 -0800, John Haskey wrote: >>On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Jimmy wrote: > >> Years ago, Mr. Walters, who had a pipe organ firm in DC, also told me >> to use a clean dollar bill, for cleaning of the reeds and Shallots. >> > > >This was discussed at length in December, 1994 on the PIPORG-L list. >There was spirited debate over which denomination was appropriate. >Apparently, C.B. Fisk uses 20 dollar bills. One person claimed to have >used a one-thousand dollar bill and noted the the results sounded like >a thousandth of a million bucks!     Regards, Cuckoobob, in beautiful Lake County, California, USA   Cuckoobob's (more than just Cuckoo) Clocks, 707-272-7070   I buy (too often), sell (too seldom), repair (too few), and collect (too many) cuckoo clocks   NAWCC 140818 http://www.cuckoobob.com mailto:Bob@cuckoobob.com    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:17:01 EST     --part1_148.a197787.2b798ced_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/10/2003 6:14:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, rrloesch@jps.net writes:     > I must have been moving in the wrong organ circles! It has been YEARS > since any of my 'organ friends' had enough dollar bills that they could = use > one for ANYTHING, leastways cleaning reeds... > ";-) > Bob and others, so that explains why Bruce borrowed my dollar bill to = clean the reed.   Keith     --part1_148.a197787.2b798ced_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 2/10/2=3D 003 6:14:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, rrloesch@jps.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I must have been moving = in=3D20=3D the wrong organ circles! &nbsp;It has been YEARS <BR>since any of my 'organ friends' had enough dollar bills that they = could=3D20=3D use <BR>one for ANYTHING, leastways cleaning reeds... <BR>";-) <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERI=3D F" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Bob and others, &nbsp;so that explains why Bruce borrowed my dollar = bill=3D to clean the reed. <BR> <BR>Keith <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_148.a197787.2b798ced_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Little experiment From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:59:12 -0800   John Haskey wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Jimmy wrote: > ... > > use a clean dollar bill, for cleaning of the reeds and Shallots. > > > > This was discussed at length in December, 1994 on the PIPORG-L list.     Ahhh, those were the days; when good literature was abundant on PIPORG-L. But the bigger change I noted was that nearly everyone has changed email addresses since 1994.   More on-topic: during my short career in key-holding for an organ tuner, I have seen a case in one organ of numerous resonators of a 16' Trompette filled with junebugs (should 'june' be capitalized?). Another time the wing of a demised sparrow was found poking out of the mouth of a large diapason pipe hidden in the back row of the rank. In 'The Case of the Junebugs', much sweat was expended in searching for the cause of badly-speaking reeds, for which there appeared to be no obstruction in the shallot-tongue region.   Mac Hayes