DIYAPASON-L Digest #714 - Wednesday, January 1, 2003
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Confession.
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Now I've Done It
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Confession.
  by <Pipewheezr@aol.com>
Derived Mixtures
  by "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs] Now I've Done It
  by "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Now I've Done It
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com>
Derived Mixtures to the extreme!
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Pipe Organs
  by "wcjharrisville" <wcjharrisville@webryders.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Derived Mixtures
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Confession. From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:03:25 -0500   At 01:59 PM 12/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: >O. K. I tried an electric 32' voice from Sonic Creations and well it um >sounded uhhhhhh REALLY GOOD! I could adjust the pots on the board to make =   >it sound very close to the Hall bourdon.   I can believe that. At such low frequencies there is very little detail in =   the voice. It's more a slow vibration than anything else, and mixed with the rest of the real pipe voices should do fine. I plan to go this route when I'm ready.   Eric      
(back) Subject: Now I've Done It From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 10:32:05 -0500   I have wanted a home pipe organ since I was fifteen, and I'm sixty-one now. Well, now I've gone and done it...   I have a Moller one manual, 2-rank, four stop organ which I got on eBay .. It was originally in the nun's chapel at St. Ursula's RC church in = Mount Vernon, New York. It is Opus 9939, with the name plate dated 1963.   The stop tabs indicate: 8' Rohrflute 4' Rohrflute 4' Principal 2' Principal   However, the actual specification is: 8' Rohrflute 4'Rohrflute 4' Gemshorn 2' Gemshorn.   I have it in my front living room, and am now tuning it.   I plan to eliminate the one-manual console and control it through my 1965 Rodgers 35D 3-manual moving drawknob organ.   Isn't pipe organ ownership a hoot... (even with the pipes in tune)   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Confession. From: <Pipewheezr@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 12:40:54 EST     --part1_184.147a24a2.2b448226_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   When I first got the thing to sound it did not sound flutish at all, more reed/princepal sound. Then you adjust for flute or stopped flute & volume. =   And of coarse you tune each note. Have fun. Dennis   --part1_184.147a24a2.2b448226_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">When I first got the thing to sound it did not = sound flutish at all, more reed/princepal sound. Then you adjust for flute = or stopped flute &amp; volume. And of coarse you tune each note.<BR> Have fun.<BR> Dennis<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_184.147a24a2.2b448226_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Derived Mixtures From: "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 11:43:17 -0800 (PST)   I was reading a post from PIPORG-L today that contained the following:   "We maintain an organ that has a "II Zimbel" composed of 24 pipes (top octave of a 2' and 2-2/3'). It is wired to repeat every octave...."   Has anyone done this before? I have an extra 2' principal rank around that I wouldn't mind using/experimenting with for such a purpose.   Maybe that could give our small organ the "crowning glory"? Sounds too good to be true! Looking forward to reading your thoughts...   Paul in Minnesota   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Now I've Done It From: "Steven Durham" <sdurham11@attbi.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 13:44:24 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)     Paul:   I could use the console on my project if you are looking to get rid of it. Let me know.   Steven Durham Portland, OR   -------Original Message-------   From: Residence Organ List Date: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:31:20 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Now I've Done It   I have wanted a home pipe organ since I was fifteen, and I'm sixty-one now. Well, now I've gone and done it...   I have a Moller one manual, 2-rank, four stop organ which I got on eBay .. It was originally in the nun's chapel at St. Ursula's RC church in Mount Vernon, New York. It is Opus 9939, with the name plate dated 1963.   The stop tabs indicate: 8' Rohrflute 4' Rohrflute 4' Principal 2' Principal   However, the actual specification is: 8' Rohrflute 4'Rohrflute 4' Gemshorn 2' Gemshorn.   I have it in my front living room, and am now tuning it.   I plan to eliminate the one-manual console and control it through my 1965 Rodgers 35D 3-manual moving drawknob organ.   Isn't pipe organ ownership a hoot... (even with the pipes in tune)   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD.     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Now I've Done It From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 14:27:20 -0800   "Paul R. Swank" wrote:   > ... > I have a Moller one manual, 2-rank, four stop organ which I got on eBay > > I plan to eliminate the one-manual console and control it through my = 1965 > Rodgers 35D 3-manual moving drawknob organ. >   Good show! You are well ahead of me: I'm 39+, have a huge 4M Wicks = drawknob console and 6-rank DE chest, but the first pipes to play will likely be = the 16' Bourdon (32 notes) and 16' Lieblich Gedeckt (97 notes).   Mac Hayes      
(back) Subject: Derived Mixtures to the extreme! From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:29:06 -0600   Paul Soulek wrote: <"II Zimbel" composed of 24 pipes wired to repeat every octave...."> > Has anyone done this before? I have an extra 2' > principal rank around that I wouldn't mind > using/experimenting with for such a purpose. > Maybe that could give our small organ the "crowning > glory"? Sounds too good to be true! Looking forward to > reading your thoughts...   Well, as they say, "It'd do in a pinch, but don't pinch me!" Obviously, it'll add some "tinkle-squeek", but that's about all it would add, since you'll obviously have some serious "holes" in the sound of your ensemble.   The composition of a legitimate mixture requires some forethought as to what its function is going to be. G. Donald Harrison always used to define his mixtures as being able to "add brilliance to the basses" and broaden the treble." This suggests that the pitch needs to be high in the bass end (1-1/3' is a common starting pitch), but then "progresses" through to lower and lower pitches as one ascends the keyboards. Progressively lower pitches are introduced. First 2', then 2-2/3', then 4', and then usually it should jump directly to 8', as the 5-1/3' is a sub-harmonic from the 16' series, so it sounds like a 16' stop was added in that octave range. In other words: it is "muddy"!   Going back to using your suggested range of 2-2/3' and 2' in a "wired" mixture: presuming you already have those two pitches (or at least the 2') in the ensemble before ever considering adding a Mixture, then the mixture really starts too low for the first octave. It would be OK in the tenor and maybe even the middle octaves, but then the pitches should be dropping to 4' and 8' pitches by the time one reaches the treble (4th) and alto (5th) octaves. So you can readily see why this solution would be flawed, at best.   Truthfully: Mixture pipes are small, and therefore relatively inexpensive. If one has enough treble pipes, a second-hand Mixture could be composed to do the job, if one understands the pitch relationships involved. It's still not perfect, as the Quintes should be more subtle than the unison pitches, but that would still be a VAST improvement over using only 24 pipes! Even 3 octaves with the bass and top octaves being "shorted", as someone else had previously suggested, would be a better solution. Faithfully,   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Pipe Organs From: "wcjharrisville" <wcjharrisville@webryders.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:58:19 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B1E0.E51F0040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dr. Swank, I just read your message. I am 64 and installing a small =3D pipe organ in our home. I've fashoned the casework after the "swallows = =3D nest" organ in the Cathedral of Metz in France -( reduced by 25% to fit = =3D the high wall.) The case will be a facade, the pipes in an attic room =3D behind it. It just may look better than it sounds! Congrats on your =3D "giant step forward." Sincerely, W. H. Jost   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B1E0.E51F0040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2719.2200" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dr. Swank, I just read your =3D message.&nbsp; I am 64=3D20 and installing a small pipe organ in our home.&nbsp; I've fashoned the =3D casework=3D20 after the "swallows nest" organ in the Cathedral of Metz in France -( =3D reduced by=3D20 25% to fit the high wall.)&nbsp; The case will be a facade, the pipes in = =3D an=3D20 attic room behind it.&nbsp; It just may look better than it sounds! =3D Congrats on=3D20 your "giant step forward."&nbsp; Sincerely,&nbsp; W. H.=3D20 Jost</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2B1E0.E51F0040--    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Derived Mixtures From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 21:32:43 -0600   >I was reading a post from PIPORG-L today that >contained the following: > >"We maintain an organ that has a "II Zimbel" composed >of 24 pipes (top octave of a 2' and 2-2/3'). It is >wired to repeat every octave...." > >Has anyone done this before? I have an extra 2' >principal rank around that I wouldn't mind >using/experimenting with for such a purpose. > >Maybe that could give our small organ the "crowning >glory"? Sounds too good to be true! Looking forward to >reading your thoughts...   Paul   It does "sound too good to be true" and unfortunately it is too good to be true, it won't work. If I were in your shoes I would use the 2' principal rank as it is and meant to be.   Over the years I have run across a couple of organs with these derived "Mixtures" and they don't work. All they do is add high pitched "squeals" all over the keyboard - they don't blend in at all. Unfortunately during the neo-baroque era many people had the idea that adding these high-pitched squeals would help make the organ sound "baroque". It doesn't work that way.   There is an "art" to specifying a mixture. It needs to be scaled correctly for the underlying chorus. Using the two octaves of a 2' and a 2 2/3' will not result in something that is at all scaled correctly and the breaks will stick out like a sore thumb.   Before you think about trying to add a mixture my feeling is that you need to study the purpose and the design of well-conceived mixtures. The specification of good mixtures is an art.   Sorry to burst your bubble but I hope this helps.   David