DIYAPASON-L Digest #824 - Friday, June 13, 2003
 
Unscheduled performance
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net>
small blowers
  by "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com>
Cut The Cable??!!
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@UntraveledRoad.com>
Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
small blowers
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
Small Blowers
  by "John R. Ball" <fitball@cox.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "John Bowers" <4everaptor@milwpc.com>
Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com>
Re: Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  small blowers
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  small blowers
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Cut the Cable!!!
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Cut The Cable??!!
  by "Brian Graham" <qax@prodigy.net>
 

(back) Subject: Unscheduled performance From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:13:28 -0500   In central Missouri it has been a busy week. First came the Scott Joplin Ragtime festival in Sedalia, followed immediately by the Blind Boone festival in Columbia.   I hosted Paul Morris of England who was enroute to the phongraph show in Union Illinois. While he was here, the Estey Minuette got a real work = out. Paul soon found the best way to use those 3 ranks and entertained with many old standard pop tunes.   After the ragtimers left town, we turned our attetion to my Aeolian project. Still in progress is the 8 rank great/choir chest and the console and relay. Paul wanted to see my ten roll Concertola automatic roll changer which was restored almost 9 months ago. After a few adjustments = we had it performing nicely. On a whim we decided to connect the output of that roll player to the Swell chest which is nearing completion.   Nothing has been tuned. The results sounded like a 5th grade orchestra in which each student persistantly maintains his chosen pitch. We roared = with laughter as the 13 stop swell chest belted out Nola and other popular tunes. We set the stops using my test board and did get some meaningful regestration changes.   The room was filled with sound, enough to know that I am destined to have = a acoustically pleasing installtion once the other half the pipes are properly hooked up.   It was a terrible waste of time, I guess, since it was so unmusical, but = we both agreed it was great fun. So, months ahead of a planned initial playing, we enjoyed (?) an unscheduled performance     Bob Taylor      
(back) Subject: small blowers From: "STEVE PITTS" <steve.pitts@adtran.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:15:34 -0500     Steve/List A while back, this message was posted to the residence organ list in = response to my question about small, divisional blowers. I am thinking = about buying one of these.Does anyone have a Grainger part number for this = blower or a similar one? So far the blowers I have found at Grainger that = seem to be similar are fairly cheap , I.E., less than $300. ..     Steve Pitts Ardmore Tennessee       >Because I've been unable to find a decent used Ventus blower within my = size >requirements and price range, I am using a 1/2 HP Grainger (Dayton) High >Pressure Direct Drive Radial Blower on my three rank organ. It works >perfectly fine. In fact, I could have got a 1/4 HP and had enough wind. >These blower are for industrial application and are much noisier than the >Ventus blowers. However, they can be silenced by building an insulated >enclosure around them. I have mine in another room. You can find their >website at www.grainger.com .     >I hope this information is helpful.   >Steven Durham >Portland, OR    
(back) Subject: Cut The Cable??!! From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:55:59 -0500   Greetings all: I have two weeks to remove the Moller organ from the Masonic Lodge before the wrecker starts. Is there a quick, easy way to mark the cables and wiring? Or should I just cut them and ring them out when I eventually use the organ? Thanks! Berley A. Firmin II Bayou La Combe, Louisiana      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "Kelvin Smith" <KelvinSmith@UntraveledRoad.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:02:46 -0600   I have been through this before and I'd just cut the cable and ring them out afterwards.   Kelvin   >Greetings all: >I have two weeks to remove the Moller organ from the Masonic Lodge before >the wrecker starts. >Is there a quick, easy way to mark the cables and wiring? Or should I = just >cut them and ring them out when I eventually use the organ? >Thanks! >Berley A. Firmin II >Bayou La Combe, Louisiana > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Cut The Cable??!! From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:16:37 -0500   firman1 wrote:   >should I just cut them and ring them out when I eventually use the organ?   In the interest of time, cut the cables. If they're cotton-covered wires, (and I'd be willing to bet they are!) then on your way home, stop by the local scrap dealers and cash them in for the copper in order to help pay for your removal costs! In order to be "legal", you'll need to replace these with TELCO cable, which is color-coded anyway, and not needing "run out".   Faithfully,   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: small blowers From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:50:16 -0500   STEVE PITTS wrote: > Does anyone have a Grainger part number for this blower or a similar > = one? So far the blowers I have found at Grainger that seem to be > similar are fairly cheap , I.E., less than $300.   Here is a Chart of Grainger High Pressure Direct Drive blowers:   1/3 HP W/ 7-3/4" Dia. Wheel 7C650 $189.25 Develops 160 CFM @ 3.00" WC   1/3 HP W/ 9" Dia. Wheel 7C504 $197.50 Develops 175 CFM @ 5.00" WC   1/2 HP W/ 9" Dia. Wheel 7D749 $227.75 Develops 270 CFM @ 4.0" WC or 340 CFM @ 3" Static.   It's claimed in the catalog that the 1/3 HP motor would be overloaded at the lower W.C. That's because of lack of back-pressure which they're not normally accustomed to dealing with in the HVAC Trade. However, if there was a Static Reservoir giving sufficient back-pressure, I see no reason the lower HP couldn't be used to develop a lower CFM at lower pressures.   1 HP @/ 10-9/16" Dia Wheel 7C447 $290.50 Develops 500 CFM @ 5.00 WC   Grainger also carries Fuji Regenerative Blowers Which I've experimented with that are somewhat more expensive. They use the same principal of as the old Mazda rotary engines for compression, so the output would be more "pulsed". I don't know if a Regulator would be able to even that out sufficiently or not.   Information on Page 2882 of the Catalog # 392. A site search may turn up additional information, if anyone's interested in looking into it further.   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:45:55 -0700   >Greetings all: >I have two weeks to remove the Moller organ from the Masonic Lodge before >the wrecker starts. >Is there a quick, easy way to mark the cables and wiring? Or should I = just >cut them and ring them out when I eventually use the organ? >Thanks! >Berley A. Firmin II >Bayou La Combe, Louisiana > Seeing as the National Electrical code wont let you use original cotton covered wiring for re-installation, the answer is obvious.   however i found that if the original must be re-used; taken pictures of the wiring harneses with a camera can be very helpful when it's all apart.   John    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:52:25 -0500   IF you have the time and do not want to cut the cable...look at the point where the cable is terminated. It is usually some sort of junction. Cut = the original lacing and free up a little of the cable. Lace the cable so that there is a lace between each wire...you can then cut the cable off the junction and the cable will still be sorted and you can reconnect it = later. A spool of waxed cord from the shoe shop will work very well for this purpose. You can do the same with the cable ends at the chest..unless you can move the chest work with the cable attached. Someone recently posted that if one cable is still connected at one end, the cable does not have = to be replaced.....I do not have a current copy of the electrical code handy...so I don't know whether this grandfather statement is valid. My = the resident GRANDFATHER on the list has the answer.   Good luck,   Jon    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "ATOS" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:10:50 -0500   I see you are in LaCombe. What organ is this? I am down the road in Covington. At first thought, it would be a question of whether there is cotton or thermo-plastic wire. If it is thermo-plastic, I would mark it at one end = and remove the cables carefully from the console. If cotton covered = insulation, you will need to replace the cable otherwise the fire marshall and the electrical inspector will not let you re-install it in any building that = is subject to inspection. If this is an organ near you, let me know if I can help.   John DeMajo   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of firman1 Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:56 PM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!!     Greetings all: I have two weeks to remove the Moller organ from the Masonic Lodge before the wrecker starts. Is there a quick, easy way to mark the cables and wiring? Or should I just cut them and ring them out when I eventually use the organ? Thanks! Berley A. Firmin II Bayou La Combe, Louisiana       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Small Blowers From: "John R. Ball" <fitball@cox.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:30:23 -0400   Steve Pitts inquired about small blowers at Grainger. Sorry to send to = the list but I don't have his email.   I have four small blowers for sale, all around 4" and 3/4HP and mostly = like new. 2 Meidinger (very quiet) 1 B.O.B. 1 Orgoblo (works like new but looks oily) I also have a 2HP Orgoblo (taken apart to clean and paint) plus a new 2HP motor for sale.   Located in McLean, VA. Please direct inquiries and photo requests to: John Ball jrball@alumni.pitt.edu 703-356-8901      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "John Bowers" <4everaptor@milwpc.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:24:47 -0500   If it's inconvenient to disconnect the cable at one end, I suspect you might save a bit of time ringing things out by opening up and spreading out the cable in the area where you are going to cut it. Then you can cut a group of 10 or 50 wires or however many you may choose and then move a foot further down the cable and cut another group. Continue this process until they're all cut. Then when you go to splice the thing back together you've got a fair start inasmuch as you've got small groups that go together, lengthwise.   John   firman1 wrote: > > Greetings all: > I have two weeks to remove the Moller organ from the Masonic Lodge = before > the wrecker starts. > Is there a quick, easy way to mark the cables and wiring? Or should I = just > cut them and ring them out when I eventually use the organ? > Thanks! > Berley A. Firmin II    
(back) Subject: Cut The Cable??!! From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:41:36 -0500   jch wrote:   > Someone recently posted that if one cable is still connected at one end, = the cable does not have to > be replaced.....I do not have a current copy of the electrical code > handy...so I don't know whether this grandfather statement is valid. My = the > resident GRANDFATHER on the list has the answer.   I guess that means I need to say something. Article 650 of the NEC has nothing whatsoever to say about the concept of "grandfathering" an organ installation in an attempt to avoid replacing the cable.   The more important question is: WHY would you want to do so, anyway?   Section 650.5(B) Conductors says: "Conductors shall have thermoplastic or thermosetting insulation." Doesn't mention cotton anywhere.   But the more important question would be WHY would anyone TRY to preserve a cotton-covered cable? There's NOTHING at ALL to recommend to it, especially since TELCO cable is so cheap, can be had in a variety of conductor numbers that closely approximate organ work and is LEGAL!   Scrap out the DCC cable and be DONE with it!!   Faithfully,   The Resident Grandpa   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:37:39 -0700   Since you know so much about the electric code, how about a recap of the = fusing side of the code which is more likely to prevent a fire that the cotton cable issue!   BR   Richard Schneider wrote: <snip>      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:10:26 EDT     --part1_d.12bf786d.2c1bde12_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   BR,   I'm certain Richard can take up for himself, but I can attest from = my own profession that standards and codes don't always seem to make the best =   sense. Nevertheless, they are the standards by which we must abide.   Richard has always given good sound advice. If the code doesn't = allow for cloth covered cable, then it's as simple as that. Common sense will = tell you that there are probably other things - even within the code standards = - that would appear to be more apt to cause a fire, but they fall within the =   code.   If you follow the code and your house burns down, you should be OK. = If your house burns down and it can be determined that you didn't follow = the code, you won't be covered.   If I get sued by a patient for a "less than perfect" outcome, I = stand a much better chance of winning if it's determined that I followed the standard of care. If I haven't followed the standard of care - even if it = would have made no difference - I have a good chance of losing.   For icing on my cake, inspectors from health insurance offices come = to my office to make sure that I have lighted exit signs, that the patient's name is on every page of the chart, plus several dozen other standards = that have absolutely nothing to do with taking good care of my patients. I can hurt =   more patients by giving them the wrong medicine or making the wrong = diagnosis than I can by not having current magazines or all these other "standards". = They don't have an MD review the charts to critique my diagnostic or treatment skills. Nevertheless, the standards are there and, if I want to be on the =   insurance plans, I must jump thru the hoops.   O well, I hope you were just being a little sarcastic. I'm tired and = perhaps "knee-jerked" on this one. I may even be in a little bit of a bad mood knowing that I'll be staffing the ER for 12 hours tomorrow.   Cheers, Keith Zimmerman, M.D.   --part1_d.12bf786d.2c1bde12_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">BR,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm certain Richard can take up for = him=3D self, but I can attest from my own profession that standards and codes = don't=3D always seem to make the best sense.&nbsp; Nevertheless, they are the = standa=3D rds by which we must abide.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Richard has always given good sound = adv=3D ice.&nbsp; If the code doesn't allow for cloth covered cable, then it's as = s=3D imple as that.&nbsp; Common sense will tell you that there are probably = othe=3D r things - even within the code standards - that would appear to be more = apt=3D to cause a fire, but they fall within the code.<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you follow the code and your house = b=3D urns down, you should be OK.&nbsp; If your house burns down and it can be = de=3D termined that you didn't follow the code, you won't be covered.<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If I get sued by a patient for a = "less=3D20=3D than perfect" outcome, I stand a much better chance of winning if it's = deter=3D mined that I followed the standard of care.&nbsp; If I haven't followed = the=3D20=3D standard of care - even if it would have made no difference - I have a = good=3D20=3D chance of losing.<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For icing on my cake, inspectors from = h=3D ealth insurance offices come to my office to make sure that I have lighted = e=3D xit signs, that the patient's name is on every page of the chart, plus = sever=3D al dozen other standards that have absolutely nothing to do with taking = good=3D care of my patients.&nbsp; I can hurt more patients by giving them the = wron=3D g medicine or making the wrong diagnosis than I can by not having current = ma=3D gazines or all these other "standards".&nbsp; They don't have an MD review t=3D he charts to critique my diagnostic or treatment skills.&nbsp; = Nevertheless,=3D the standards are there and, if I want to be on the insurance plans, I = must=3D jump thru the hoops.<BR> <BR> O well, I hope you were just being a little sarcastic.&nbsp; I'm tired and = p=3D erhaps "knee-jerked" on this one.&nbsp; I may even be in a little bit of a = b=3D ad mood knowing that I'll be staffing the ER for 12 hours tomorrow.<BR> <BR> Cheers,<BR> Keith Zimmerman, M.D.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d.12bf786d.2c1bde12_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:32:10 -0700   My point is that the code also made changes that apply to the size of fused circuits, I believe 5 amps. Before the code was changed, there was only a maximum voltage listed (I think about 18 volts) and some organs had only a rectifier output fuse of up to 150 amps with no other fuse in the DC circuit. Replacing the cable and not following the rest of all items in the section under organs still does not keep you under the code but I usually don't see any discussion about anything but the cable. I remember all this from an AIO meeting about 1989 in Fort Worth Texas where Richard Peterson and others, who had worked with the code people for several years on the changes, presented the code and it's application to those attending. I can't seem to find my paperwork from that convention and don't have a copy of the book. I thought this was on the Peterson web site but I can't seem to locate it. Maybe someone else has a copy.   BR       Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote:   > BR, > > I'm certain Richard can take up for himself, but I can attest > from my own profession that standards and codes don't always seem to > make the best sense. Nevertheless, they are the standards -----      
(back) Subject: Re: Cut The Cable??!! From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:36:36 -0400   Somehow, this subject text reminds me of the recent skit on the David Letterman Show, in which the "magic phrase" was "stop the slicer" = (repeated often and sung by the band)...   If you do need to cut a cable for later repair, one crude (but ugly) makeshift helper is a strip of corrugated cardboard. If you cut it so = that the corrugations run the short way, and if the length is such that you = have at least one corrugation per conductor in the cable, then you can use it (or, better yet, *two* of them) to keep track of the wires.   Given enough cardboard, it is best to skip every other corrugation, just = in case the strip gets bumped or pulled or damaged such that a wire cuts through and enters the neighbor corrugation.   Like I said, crude (but ugly). It is useful, though, if you encounter all-one-color PVC insulation, which, though legal, is a pain!   Larry Chace      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Cut The Cable??!! From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:10:37 -0400   Another method of making a flexible spreader strip is to use a piece of Bellows leather the size of a leather belt. Just a long row of punch holes in it and number them 1-61 or whatever. When you are done transfering the wires just wrap the whole thing in tape and it will remain flexible enough to pull through holes and under floors etc. Something you can't do with wooden spreader strips.   In any case replace any old double cotton covered wire. You will be glad = you did!   Nelson.       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 05-Jun-03    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] small blowers From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:27:41 -0400   You might also consider "Eastern Asian" small workshop dust collector machines. You will find them listed in most woodworking magazines and woodworking tools stores. They sell for $150-300 and are basicly a cheap sheet metal version of the common Ventus/White/Zepher blowers with a = pillow case tied to the output. I've never used one but they seem to be = relatively quiet compared to an old Spencer and are designed for continuous duty use = in dusty climates. Most simply plug into a 120volt outlet so wiring is a breeze.   Possibly a cheap solution to an often expensive choice for a small home organ. I wouldn't use one in a church which expects a 50-100 year lifespan but = in a home installation lifespan is not as big a concern, but price often is.   Has anyone ever used one for this purpose?   Nelson,     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.488 / Virus Database: 287 - Release Date: 05-Jun-03    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] small blowers From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:34:41 EDT     --part1_b0.3a7b9ede.2c1bf1d1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 6/13/2003 11:28:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, ndenton@cogeco.ca writes:     > You might also consider "Eastern Asian" small workshop dust collector > machines. You will find them listed in most woodworking magazines and > woodworking tools stores.   Don't these blowers work by moving "lots" of air, thereby creating their vacuum? Are they able to maintain a 3" wind pressure against a reservoir?   I'm wondering if this is analagous to holding your hand over the end of = the blow dryer (on "cool" setting, of course). While the motor/blower may = generate a good bit of air flow, will it tolerate a lot of resistance or back = pressure to that flow?   The reason I'm asking is that I'm rebuilding a 36" Spencer blower with a = 2hp 3-phase motor. It's pretty noisy. I will be having to run a 220 volt = line, get a phase converter, a remote switch, and but a hole thru a cement brick = wall to run the wind line. It would certainly be easier for me to have a = couple smaller divisional blowers if they would supply sufficient wind pressure = and flow. My organ "was" at 5" wind with 5 ranks on Great, 5 ranks on Swell, = and a 16' Pedal bourdon (12 pipes).   Thanks, Keith   --part1_b0.3a7b9ede.2c1bf1d1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 6/13/2003 11:28:26 PM Eastern = Stand=3D ard Time, ndenton@cogeco.ca writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You might also consider&nbsp; = "=3D Eastern Asian"&nbsp; small workshop dust collector<BR> machines. You will find them&nbsp; listed in most woodworking magazines = and<=3D BR> woodworking tools stores.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> Don't these blowers work by moving "lots" of air, thereby creating their = vac=3D uum?&nbsp; Are they able to maintain a 3" wind pressure against a = reservoir?=3D <BR> <BR> I'm wondering if this is analagous to holding your hand over the end of = the=3D20=3D blow dryer (on "cool" setting, of course).&nbsp; While the motor/blower = may=3D20=3D generate a good bit of air flow, will it tolerate a lot of resistance or = bac=3D k pressure to that flow?<BR> <BR> The reason I'm asking is that I'm rebuilding a 36" Spencer blower with a = 2hp=3D 3-phase motor.&nbsp; It's pretty noisy.&nbsp; I will be having to run a = 220=3D volt line, get a phase converter, a remote switch, and but a hole thru a = ce=3D ment brick wall to run the wind line.&nbsp; It would certainly be easier = for=3D me to have a couple smaller divisional blowers if they would supply = suffici=3D ent wind pressure and flow.&nbsp; My organ "was" at 5" wind with 5 ranks = on=3D20=3D Great, 5 ranks on Swell, and a 16' Pedal bourdon (12 pipes).<BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_b0.3a7b9ede.2c1bf1d1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Cut the Cable!!! From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:50:48 EDT     --part1_107.23ff59b1.2c1bf598_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Guys,   Before I get scolded, I'll apologize. I didn't mean to sound like I was jumping on BR's case. I can appreciate his later explanation behind his = question about the fuse issue.   I guess there's a danger in only receiving the written word - with no = ability to discern the tone of voice or having the benefit of body language. So = it's easy to mistake each other's attitudes in asking and responding to = questions.   It's great to have a few professionals on this list who are willing to = help us amateurs out - all for free. To me, the initial question sounded like = "OK, it you think you're so smart, then what about . . . " I jumped because = I'd hate to make these guys feel unappreciated such that they leave the list. = That would leave us as just a bunch of amateurs - a lot of "the blind leading = the blind".   Cheers, Keith   --part1_107.23ff59b1.2c1bf598_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Guys,<BR> <BR> Before I get scolded, I'll apologize.&nbsp; I didn't mean to sound like I = wa=3D s jumping on BR's case.&nbsp; I can appreciate his later explanation = behind=3D20=3D his question about the fuse issue.&nbsp; <BR> <BR> I guess there's a danger in only receiving the written word - with no = abilit=3D y to discern the tone of voice or having the benefit of body = language.&nbsp;=3D So it's easy to mistake each other's attitudes in asking and responding = to=3D20=3D questions.<BR> <BR> It's great to have a few professionals on this list who are willing to = help=3D20=3D us amateurs out - all for free.&nbsp; To me, the initial question sounded = li=3D ke "OK, it you think you're so smart, then what about . . . "&nbsp; I = jumped=3D because I'd hate to make these guys feel unappreciated such that they = leave=3D the list.&nbsp; That would leave us as just a bunch of amateurs&nbsp; - a = l=3D ot of "the blind leading the blind".<BR> <BR> Cheers,<BR> Keith</FONT></HTML>   --part1_107.23ff59b1.2c1bf598_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!! From: "Brian Graham" <qax@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:04:35 -0700   At least check the ends carefully first to see if any sort of quick connection exists.   The cables to my 1925 Estey console were cut before I arrived on the = scene, so I had no choice in the matter, but later inspection revealed that the original cables had "quick connects" at both ends (at each individual = magnet wire and also multiple contact plugs at the console).   I have no idea if Moller ever used such a system.       -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of firman1 Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:56 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Cut The Cable??!!     Greetings all: I have two weeks to remove the Moller organ from the Masonic Lodge before the wrecker starts. Is there a quick, easy way to mark the cables and wiring? Or should I just cut them and ring them out when I eventually use the organ? Thanks! Berley A. Firmin II Bayou La Combe, Louisiana       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org