DIYAPASON-L Digest #826 - Sunday, June 15, 2003
 
Cutting/replacing cables
  by "F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam" <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu>
Finding replacement TELCO cables and a little "Lexicon" of general  infor
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Finding replacement TELCO cables and a  little"Le
  by "Donald Peterson" <dpete.tx@verizon.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Finding replacement TELCO cables and a  little"Le
  by "atos" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
 

(back) Subject: Cutting/replacing cables From: "F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam" <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 06:14:19 -0400   Greetings: Well, in 2 of 3 moves [a different organ each time] I cut cables. We had a very tight schedule and the cable had a very long run through conduit; in the last one we had to use a 'come-along' to pull it. In view of the wiring codes, probably should've left it there! Fortunately this one is partially color-coded with only (!) about 20 wires of the same color so ringing/buzzing 'em out won't be so bad for a quick try-out [when I get the room built!].   Where does one obtain the TELCO cable some of you mentioned? A Google search for it yielded mostly Spanish-language items on communications (I think!) so I gave up on the 6th or 7th page. Thanks,   Gene -- _____________________________________________________ | F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam | (352) 466-3538 | | Gator Slide Farm | <dunnam@phys.ufl.edu> | | 104 Southeast 138th Ave. | http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~dunnam/ | | _Micanopy, Florida 32667__ | ____________________________ |  
(back) Subject: Finding replacement TELCO cables and a little "Lexicon" of general information From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:15:45 -0500   "F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam" wrote: > Greetings:   <snippage>   > Where does one obtain the TELCO cable some of you mentioned? A > Google search for it yielded mostly Spanish-language items on > communications (I think!) so I gave up on the 6th or 7th page.   Most places which sell this cable will not sell to the general public, especially the small (relatively speaking) quantities most individuals will require for their residence installations. Such vendors are either specialty wholesale suppliers to the trade or electrical supply houses that are used to selling these products by the running mile (quite literally!) Their counter men (or women) take a particularly dim view of someone walking in the door and asking for 50 feet of cable "with as bunch of wires" that they don't even know how to specify correctly to begin-with!   Another possible source worth mentioning is the second hand market. Many times, especially in larger cities, companies will install new phone systems and have no more need of the wiring in their buildings which are strung with 25 pair cables, as the newer systems generally use the 4 wire phones and multiplex everything that the 25 pair cable technology used to do for all of the phone's functions. You may get lucky and actually find some in a Dumpster somewhere for FREE! Or get friendly with your local phone company or telephone system/Alarm salesman, who would prolly be all too happy to have you pay him to take away such cable (you may have to help remove it!) rather than have to haul it off to the scrap yard or dumpster.   In any event, our company stocks TELCO cable by the running mile since we use it in our work all the time and will be happy to sell anyone whatever quantity of conductors and length they need. Just EMAIL us with specific details and we'll work out a price.   Typically, the terminology the telephone industry uses when talking about This cable is "pairs"; that is to say: two wires. The pair counts that are Industry Standards have been undergoing some evolutionary changes in recent years due to both the advent of Category 5 Computer cables, which are basically specially treated 8 wire TELCO cable and the wide-spread use of the "skinny-wire" Key phone systems which also need only 4 wires to operate.   However, don't be tempted to just use a bunch of CAT 5 cable for your installation! It REALLY looks stupid and amateurish to see a 61 note Windchest or keyboard hooked-up with a bunch of these cables! AFter all: one of the NEC requirements is that ALL electrical work be done in a "Neat and workman-like manner"!   So, here we go! The wire pair counts available (at last check) are:   1 (2 wire)   2 (4 wire -VERY common!)   4 (8 wire -the CAT 5 cable just mentioned)   6 (12 wire -very useful for 12 note offset chests!)   12 (24 wire -useful for 2 octave Offsets)   16 (32 wire -great for Pedalboards and complete Pedal ranks)   25 (50 wire -this was an old standard for the older telephone "key" phones, but still widely available)   32 (64 wires-which is perfect for a 61 note Windchest and 3 "spares" to boot!)   50 (100 wires -two sets of the 25 pair cables under one jacket. They have different "tracer" colors to differentiate them)   An IMPORTANT CAVEAT: All TELCO color-codes are based on a 25 pair scheme. This is to say: there are no more colors available after 50 wires, so the cable companies devised a scheme to use "tracer colors", which are strands of colored plastic "streamers"; which themselves follow the same TELCO color code to differentiate between the different groups of wires.   When using cables larger than 25 pairs, be sure you don't get mixed-up between the two tracer colors running around the bundles of cables, or you'll go forever crazy trying to sort them out again!   75 (150 wires -three sets of the 25 pair cables)   100 (200 wires -four sets of the 25 pair cables)   While there ARE larger groups than this, it's usually not cost-efficient nor necessarily practical to go messing around trying to handle anything even THIS large. This is where multiple cable runs are OK, but try to install it with some intelligent forethought so that your cable layouts make sense and look intelligent to even the casual observer!   Most of you are already aware that the standardized TELCO color code is posted on the home web page for this list, courtesy of "Fearless Leader".   We also carry running stock of Nylon cable clamps which attach with screws to fasten the cables into place. Our stock sizes start with 1/8" and run through 1-1/2" diameter bundles. This looks SO much better than trying to use Romex Staples or some other inappropriate means of fastening the cables in place.   I hope this information is generally helpful to the entire list.   Faithfully,   Grandpa Arp (who's getting taken to BREAKFAST before Church for Father's Day!) -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Finding replacement TELCO cables and a little"Lexicon" of general information From: "Donald Peterson" <dpete.tx@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:51:45 -0500       Richard Schneider wrote:   > "F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam" wrote: > > > Greetings: > > <snippage> > > > Where does one obtain the TELCO cable some of you mentioned? A > > Google search for it yielded mostly Spanish-language items on > > communications (I think!) so I gave up on the 6th or 7th page. >   An excellent source for TELCO cable is:   CLIFFORD OF VERMONT P.O. Box 51 Bethel VT 05032-0051   Phone: 800-451-4381 Fax: 802-234-5006 Email: cablesales@tvcinc.com Web: www.cliffordvt.com   They sell Color-Coded, Multi-Pair Organ Cables and Connectorized Cables for pipe organ use.      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Finding replacement TELCO cables and a little"Lexicon" of general information From: "atos" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:41:28 -0500   The cable is manufactured by Belden Wire Manufacturing Company. You should be able to order it through any electronic or electrical wholesaler who handles Belden products. Here in Louisiana, I usually buy it through = Graybar Electric.   -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Donald Peterson Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:52 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Finding replacement TELCO cables and a little"Lexicon" of general information         Richard Schneider wrote:   > "F. Eugene (Gene) Dunnam" wrote: > > > Greetings: > > <snippage> > > > Where does one obtain the TELCO cable some of you mentioned? A > > Google search for it yielded mostly Spanish-language items on > > communications (I think!) so I gave up on the 6th or 7th page. >   An excellent source for TELCO cable is:   CLIFFORD OF VERMONT P.O. Box 51 Bethel VT 05032-0051   Phone: 800-451-4381 Fax: 802-234-5006 Email: cablesales@tvcinc.com Web: www.cliffordvt.com   They sell Color-Coded, Multi-Pair Organ Cables and Connectorized Cables for pipe organ use.       DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org