DIYAPASON-L Digest #815 - Monday, May 26, 2003
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  painting metal pipes - question
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Summer Organ Fixing
  by "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com>
Rubber Cloth
  by "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rubber Cloth
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Summer Organ Fixing
  by "L.Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl>
No reasonable offer refused / Moller II/6
  by "TOPAZ" <ron@sensor.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rubber Cloth, Schwimmer, Cork
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Rubber Cloth, Schwimmer, Cork
  by "H Chase" <wa1vvh@net1plus.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] painting metal pipes - question From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:22:23 -0400   I send my pipes to a autobody shop to be painted by a pro.   Rolls Royce Silver Ghost paint with a clear coat lacquer finish looks fantastic.   Pricey, but you can leave the pipes outdoors all year round and clean = them in a car wash. LOL! :-))         --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19-May-03    
(back) Subject: Summer Organ Fixing From: "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:59:55 -0700 (PDT)   Well it's been around a year since I installed the direct electric chest that I built...now some magnets are clicking, some are stuck open, and some air is leaking. I do know *why* these things have happened (learning from my limited experience), so this summer I'm going to take the organ apart for a week and fix some of the problems. A few questions:   We used a thick type of felt to seal the chest. This has created some problems, mostly because the felt moves when the screw is going through it. Would it be good to replace this with cork? Would there be disadvantages to doing this?   There are a few problems with "wind burbles", the pressure dropping when many notes are played, and then coming back up after the notes have been held for a short time. It was suggested to me to add a "schwimmer" type mechanism to the chest to take care of this. How large should it be? Other tips?   I think that should do it for now. Thank you for your help!   Paul in Minnesota   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Rubber Cloth From: "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:17:23 -0700 (PDT)   Something else---I'm looking for some rubber cloth to use for the schwimmer...having no luck at any stores around here. Is there another "common" material that may work?   Thanks! Paul   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rubber Cloth From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:38:27 -0500   The material you are looking for is LEATHER! I think you are beginning to =   find out way it is still the mainstay of organ builders. Cork has been = used by some organbuilders, but has problems. It will stick and part of it will =   stick to the other surface when you need to open up the device for = servicing.   jch     At 01:17 PM 5/26/03 -0700, you wrote:   >Something else---I'm looking for some rubber cloth to >use for the schwimmer...having no luck at any stores >around here. Is there another "common" material that >may work? > >Thanks! >Paul > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Summer Organ Fixing From: "L.Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:20:08 +0200   Hello Paul,   If you can get 2mm thick halfsoft cork ( made of very little pieces of = Cork, plates are 60 : 92 cm) you fix the windchest as many other builders from the 1920-ies did befor = you like for example Estey. But remember, the unglued side needs a little babypowder ( grin) that you can open the chest easely   Normally leather is one of the best, but a specific celrubber is also very good if the chest has a loth bubbles or something like that.     Louis from Dieren,   for the whole list, I'm moved from Oostzaan, Netherlands to   Louis Huivenaar Industrielaan 16a 6951 KG Dieren Netherlands Member Federation TMV Certified Valuer/Appraiser for Harmoniums and Reedorgans in Europe Harmonium and Reedorgan restorer Pipeorganbuilder and restorer +31 313 412133 ( Tel/Fax Factory) +31 653 117 697 ( Mobil) www.harmonium.com   -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]Namens Paul Soulek Verzonden: maandag 26 mei 2003 22:00 Aan: Residence Organ List Onderwerp: [Residence Organs] Summer Organ Fixing   Well it's been around a year since I installed the direct electric chest that I built...now some magnets are clicking, some are stuck open, and some air is leaking. I do know *why* these things have happened (learning from my limited experience), so this summer I'm going to take the organ apart for a week and fix some of the problems. A few questions:   We used a thick type of felt to seal the chest. This has created some problems, mostly because the felt moves when the screw is going through it. Would it be good to replace this with cork? Would there be disadvantages to doing this?   There are a few problems with "wind burbles", the pressure dropping when many notes are played, and then coming back up after the notes have been held for a short time. It was suggested to me to add a "schwimmer" type mechanism to the chest to take care of this. How large should it be? Other tips?   I think that should do it for now. Thank you for your help!   Paul in Minnesota   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: No reasonable offer refused / Moller II/6 From: "TOPAZ" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:18:09 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00B9_01C323AA.C79DDCD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I've got a Moller II/6 (+chimes) organ available. It is NOT currently = =3D set up. It has been moved twice since it last worked. It is mostly there except for =3D some damage in the rather unprofessional moves it went through. It is uncased, and = =3D designed to fit into a 10x6x 10' tall room. I have swell shades / engine for the =3D opening. It includes the console, pipework, chests, pneumatic relay system, blower and =3D electrics.   It's located in Northern VA (just outside Washington DC). Email me for = =3D details. ron@sensor.com     ------=3D_NextPart_000_00B9_01C323AA.C79DDCD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I've got a Moller II/6 (+chimes) = organ=3D20 available.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is NOT currently set up.&nbsp;&nbsp; It=3D20 has</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>been moved twice since it last =3D worked.&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 It is mostly there except for some damage</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in the rather unprofessional moves it = =3D went=3D20 through.&nbsp;&nbsp; It is uncased, and designed to</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>fit into a 10x6x 10' tall =3D room.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have=3D20 swell shades / engine for the opening.&nbsp;&nbsp; It =3D includes</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>the console, pipework, chests, =3D pneumatic relay=3D20 system, blower and electrics.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>It's located in Northern VA (just =3D outside=3D20 Washington DC).&nbsp;&nbsp; Email me for details.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:ron@sensor.com">ron@sensor.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00B9_01C323AA.C79DDCD0--      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rubber Cloth, Schwimmer, Cork From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 19:06:25 EDT     --part1_a5.3a796c65.2c03f7f1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Paul,   I will be needing some rubber cloth to repair the bellows and reservoir = for my pump organ. I find rubber cloth on page 6-5 of my O.S.I. catalog. It = is in various thicknesses. Try the following link to that page of their online catalog:   http://www.organsupply.com/CatPages/6%2005%20Rubber%20Cloth.pdf   If that doesn't work, then go to www.organsupply.com and follow the links = to "online catalog", then to "R", then to the particular item.   Anyway, depending upon what kind you need for your purpose, it ranges from =   $41.15 to 64.50 per yd. at 58" widths.   BTW, when I took apart my pitman chests and unit chests, they all appear = to be sealed with cork. I have not found any felt where airtightness was = needed.   Regarding the Schwimmer, I'm certain you will hear from some of the = experts. They have been discussed on this site - maybe on pipechat - and I get the feeling that they are a lot of trouble. I don't know if anybody uses = "concussion bellows" (also called "winkers") any more. See page 2-7 of the OSI = catalog. This is a small reservoir installed on a windline near a chest to collapse =   when quick big demands are made on the wind.   Good luck, Dr. Z   --part1_a5.3a796c65.2c03f7f1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Paul,<BR> <BR> I will be needing some rubber cloth to repair the bellows and reservoir = for=3D20=3D my pump organ.&nbsp; I find rubber cloth on page 6-5 of my O.S.I. = catalog.&n=3D bsp; It is in various thicknesses.&nbsp; Try the following link to that = page=3D of their online catalog:<BR> <BR> http://www.organsupply.com/CatPages/6%2005%20Rubber%20Cloth.pdf<BR> <BR> If that doesn't work, then go to www.organsupply.com and follow the links = to=3D "online catalog", then to "R", then to the particular item.<BR> <BR> Anyway, depending upon what kind you need for your purpose, it ranges from = $=3D 41.15 to 64.50 per yd. at 58" widths.<BR> <BR> BTW, when I took apart my pitman chests and unit chests, they all appear = to=3D20=3D be sealed with cork.&nbsp; I have not found any felt where airtightness = was=3D20=3D needed.<BR> <BR> Regarding the Schwimmer, I'm certain you will hear from some of the = experts.=3D &nbsp; They have been discussed on this site - maybe on pipechat - and I = get=3D the feeling that they are a lot of trouble.&nbsp; I don't know if anybody = u=3D ses "concussion bellows" (also called "winkers") any more.&nbsp; See page = 2-=3D 7 of the OSI catalog.&nbsp; This is a small reservoir installed on a = windlin=3D e near a chest to collapse when quick big demands are made on the = wind.<BR> <BR> Good luck,<BR> Dr. Z</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a5.3a796c65.2c03f7f1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Rubber Cloth, Schwimmer, Cork From: "H Chase" <wa1vvh@net1plus.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:29:46 -0700   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C323DE.B1A81380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   What is the trouble you heard about with schwimmers? I recently =3D obtained a used one that looks to be in decent condition, but it is not = =3D installed or tested yet; if these have a "reputation", what should I = =3D be using? =3D20     Harry Chase     .. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Kzimmer0817@aol.com=3D20   (stuff snipped)     Regarding the Schwimmer, I'm certain you will hear from some of the =3D experts. They have been discussed on this site - maybe on pipechat - =3D and I get the feeling that they are a lot of trouble. I don't know if =3D anybody uses "concussion bellows" (also called "winkers") any more. See = =3D page 2-7 of the OSI catalog. This is a small reservoir installed on a =3D windline near a chest to collapse when quick big demands are made on the = =3D wind.   Good luck, Dr. Z ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C323DE.B1A81380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4923.2500" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>What is the trouble you heard about = =3D with=3D20 schwimmers?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I recently obtained a used one that = =3D looks to=3D20 be in decent condition,&nbsp; but it is not installed or tested=3D20 yet;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if these have a "reputation",&nbsp; what should I = =3D be=3D20 using?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Harry Chase</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DKzimmer0817@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Kzimmer0817@aol.com">Kzimmer0817@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black">&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>(stuff snipped)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT><BR>&nbsp;</DIV><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Regarding the Schwimmer, I'm certain you will =3D hear from=3D20 some of the experts.&nbsp; They have been discussed on this site - =3D maybe on=3D20 pipechat - and I get the feeling that they are a lot of trouble.&nbsp; = =3D I don't=3D20 know if anybody uses "concussion bellows" (also called "winkers") = any=3D20 more.&nbsp; See page 2-7 of the OSI catalog.&nbsp; This is a small =3D reservoir=3D20 installed on a windline near a chest to collapse when quick big =3D demands are=3D20 made on the wind.<BR><BR>Good luck,<BR>Dr. Z</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C323DE.B1A81380--