DIYAPASON-L Digest #912 - Saturday, November 1, 2003
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  Suspended Action
  by "Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Suspended Action
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com>
RE: [Residence Organs]  DIY trackers?
  by "L.Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Paper pipes
  by "L.Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Giving up?
  by "Kilgen" <kilgen@wi.rr.com>
RE: Parts for sale
  by "Kilgen" <kilgen@wi.rr.com>
paper PIPES
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
[Residence Organs]  RE: Parts for sale
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re-inking Coupler Tabs
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re-inking Coupler Tabs
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  DIY trackers?
  by "Clyde R. Putman" <cputman@att.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re-inking Coupler Tabs
  by "John Ferguson" <tibia@ozemail.com.au>
Re: [Residence Organs]  DIY trackers?
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Giving up?
  by "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Suspended Action From: "Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:37:08 -0000   Mike   Conventional tracker action consists of a key that is pivoted roughly in = the centre. As the key is depressed, it pushes up a sticker which operates = the rest of the action - look at the diagrams in most books on the organ to = see what the other parts are, and what they do!   Suspended action has a rear-pivoted key, with a tracker attached along = it's length. It tends to give a better feel, because there's no "lost motion" = - the action is always in tension, and the touch tends to be lighter. The downside is that it can only be used where there's plenty of height. The new 4 manual organ by St. Martin in Girton College Chapel, Cambridge (UK) has suspended mechanical action - and is so light, I gather that some of = the organ scholars draw couplers to get a touch that's more like what they're used to elsewhere!   I hope this mini-definition clarifies things.   I'll leave full tracker action descriptions to those who are better qualified than me!!   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> To: "DIYAPASON List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:56 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] Suspended Action     | Hi Group, | Long time no post. Have expanded my horizons a bit | by following some of the new organ groups on Yahoo, but | still read the David Scribner groups and Piporg-L | religiously. It's kind of amazing how the Internet | activity surrounding the organ community has expanded | in the 3 short years I have been following along. The | educational value is immense. | Although any DIY organ I might become involved with | would most likely be possessed of some form of electric | action or electo-pneumatics, I still relish the | instruction on tracker instruments. I am a mechanic by | trade, so anything involving machinery in organ action | is most fascinating also. | My question is more a request for those on this | list who are willing and have the time, to review the | construction and terminology related to tracker | instruments. I have seen terms such as "back fall", | "square rail", "tracker", and "sticker" used in tracker | organ descriptions, but still have some trouble | visualizing how these parts work together to operate | the pallets, and how the mechanical combination systems | are constructed. I am also most interested to know the | difference between "suspended action", and other types | of tracker action, and what are their names. It would | be great to hear about the history of tracker action, | what materials were used, and how the modern tracker | instruments are constructed differently and what modern | materials they use. | Thanks for your time and help | Mike Gettelman | | DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own | Residence Pipe Organs. | HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org | List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org | Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org | |    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Suspended Action From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 04:21:48 -0800   Tony Newnham wrote: > > ... The new 4 manual organ by St. Martin in Girton College Chapel, > Cambridge (UK) has suspended mechanical action - and is so light, > I gather that some of the organ scholars draw couplers to get a > touch that's more like what they're used to elsewhere!     Well ... that explains why the Kenneth Jones organ in Eagle River, Alaska, had such a light touch. I thought it was way too light, but Jones himself was there and had just finised installing and tweaking it, so it was just the way he wanted it. I was really intrigued/puzzled that a visiting organist from California gave a concert on a similar Jones organ in Anlchorage, and 'managed' to have no problems with the light touch. That was back in the mid-80's; since then I have gained more skill in dealing with light actions like that.   This brings up the question- when was suspended action 'invented?' Was this a common feature in the 1700s?   Mac Hayes    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] DIY trackers? From: "L.Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:43:41 +0100   Hello Ed,   I'm a proffesional organbuilder. We in the Netherlands building almost tracker pipeorgans. You like to see a photo?   I have build a 14 ranks 2mp Cabinet Organ like they had in the early 19 th century for a priest in his home.   Louis from the netherlands   -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]Namens = Larry Chace Verzonden: woensdag 29 oktober 2003 23:05 Aan: Residence Organ List Onderwerp: Re: [Residence Organs] DIY trackers?   Ed Stauff asked about homebuilt tracker organs. The "Home Organ Group" of the German "Gesellschaft der Orgelfreunde" has a yearly (?) publication in which they've described quite a few homebuilt trackers, ranging from 2 or = 3 rank portatives through 3-manual organs of perhaps 20 ranks or so. (Coupler manuals seem popular there.) The "bible" of that group is "Heimorgelbau" by Karl Borman (in German only). These organs often = feature home-built pipework, almost all of wood, but including things like an 8' Prinzipal, but rarely including any strings. ;-)   My own "opus 1" was a half-tracker, assembled in the early 1960s. Its Great division used a 4-rank slider chest from an 1890s vintage Barkhoff tracker. I reused the chest's two square rails, re-angling the squares = due to a shorter front-to-back length, and re-made the trackers as well. The keyboards were from a tubular-pneumatic organ and had rather short center-pivot keys, and so I added a rear-pivoted lever to each one, about 18" long, suspended from at its front end from the back of the key and having a vertical tracker at about its middle point, connecting to the front square rail down at floor level and just past the ends of the pedal keys. This provided a 2/1 lever ratio, thereby lightening the touch. The pallets opened only 1/2 as far as before, but that was sufficient.   This might not qualify for what Ed is seeking, since most of the action parts and the entire chest were from a discarded church organ rather than being home-built.   I've seen a home-built tracker (quite nice, actually) in Auburn, New York, including a number of owner-built wooden pipes. So, it *can* and *has* been done! Ed, what sort of design do you have in mind?   Larry     DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Paper pipes From: "L.Huivenaar" <louis.huivenaar@wxs.nl> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:07:05 +0100   Hello Group,   I client of me in the Netherlands has already made 3 complete organs with only paper pipes, big ones, and real smal ones in 2 feeth.   And it works really nice.   Louis   -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]Namens Gregory Rister Verzonden: zaterdag 1 november 2003 5:27 Aan: Diyapason; wcjharrisville Onderwerp: RE: [Residence Organs] Paper pipes   Well, I think your points are well-taken. For all the effort required to manufacture a set of paper principals, a genuine tin/lead set could = probably be had for a month's worth of lunch money (if you eat like I do, it might buy a 90% tin set). However, I should note for the record that there is = at least one rank of pipes in the Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ with paper-mache' resonators. Figures, doesn't it?   Greg Rister Pipe Organ Craftsmen Pomona, California (not toast yet) ----- Original Message ----- From: wcjharrisville <mailto:wcjharrisville@webryders.net> To: Diyapason <mailto:wcjharrisville@webryders.net> Sent: 10/31/2003 1:17:51 PM Subject: [Residence Organs] Trackers   I have had the book "Organ Building for Amateurs" by Mark Wicks - first printing somewhere around 1887. I have read this book from cover-to-cover many times over the years. I believe that Mark Wicks knew organs inside = and out, had a firm grip on mechanics and the use of tools, was an expert artist/illustrator, a master of the written word and a most frequent = visitor to a number of organbuilders. However, I do not believe that Mark Wicks ever actually built a working organ! He may have experimented with making some examples of certain organ parts and pipes to satisfy his curiosity, = but I seriously doubt that a working organ ever emerged from his workshop. Making paper pipes so intrigued me that I set about to make a few experimental pipes - (completely ignoring the fact that no organ builder = has ever used paper pipes). The answer "why" was quickly made apparent at the first change of humidity. E   --- Gregory Rister --- grandcornet@earthlink.net <mailto:grandcornet@earthlink.net> --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.   DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Giving up? From: "Kilgen" <kilgen@wi.rr.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:24:27 -0600   No! I'm not giving up although I really had thought I should.   I don't enjoy the designing and building of an organ as much as I enjoy playing the instrument. I have been working on my project for about 6 = years now. I also have redesigned or made many changes to the instrument in mid stream. I am not new to putting pipe organs together as I have rebuilt and assembled three other instruments in my past years and also have helped friends out with their organ projects.   My present project fell apart when some parts I had lined up (which were crucial to my last and best design) suddenly became unavailable.   In the past few days I have pondered over my project and believe I have = come up with a good solution. I am putting my Kilgen petite ensemble chest back into the project. It will hold the diapason, salicional and melodia which will all be on 5" WP. That chest stands just behind the swell shades. The regulator which supplies that chest will also supply wind to the Kilgen = oboe and Meyer gamba and the trem for that regulator will be controlled by the "Main" trem stopkey.   My four rank Wurlitzer chest will hold the clarinet, two solo strings and the tuba all on one regulator at 8" WP. The trem will be controlled by the "Solo" trem stopkey.   The tibia and vox of which are all installed, wired and partially winded will remain as-is.   The one thing that may appear weird is that the low pressure melodia will = be tied in with the Wurlitzer 8' and 16' bourdon. That means that I will be packing up my high pressure Wurlitzer concert flute and simply storing it. Anyhow, this seems to be the best solution. It is difficult to mix and = match high and low pressure pipework together and keep a practical winding = scheme. If I had it to do all over again I would have bought a complete playing instrument and just simply transplanted it.   I have decided to take the big Moller console out of the design and go = back to using my little Gulbransen console because I already have the relay installed inside of it and the stop keys are all installed. Because the console is small, it fits into my small listening room much better than = the Moller console would have and the little thing does look beautiful when it is lit up. The Moller console, although being a genuine pipe organ = console, represents far too much work and too much of a set-back in achieving my = goal of getting something playing. In order to keep my incentive going strong, = my new goal is to get something playing as soon as possible.   Gary -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On = Behalf Of wcjharrisville Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:09 PM To: Diyapason Subject: [Residence Organs] Giving up?     My organ project has been "in the works" for over 40 years! I've bought and sold any number of items before deciding on what to use. For me, the planning (dreaming?) of the final outcome (which changes about monthly) is so much of the fun. However, what is ultimately best for you - is what = you should do. The regrets will come later! Will    
(back) Subject: RE: Parts for sale From: "Kilgen" <kilgen@wi.rr.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:38:50 -0600   As it stands right now, I have the Moller three manual console for sale. = It is a double bolster horseshoe console of the same design as the Capitol Theatre in Rome NY, and the Rylander Theatre In GA. Moller used the = console that I have for a church project so the console is trimmed oak gothic paneling and has a roll top. I have bought a whole set of Moller theatre style colored stopkeys for it. One of the keyboards has been recovered but the other two will need recovering. The keys seem solid enough that I do = not think they will need to be re-bushed.   Price=3D$725.00   I may have my Wurlitzer violin for sale but only if I find a pair of VDOs. The Wurlitzer violin is voiced on 10" WP and is stamped celeste. If I find = a single rank of VDO that plays on 8" wind (or can be made to play on that = WP) I will keep the violin and open the toes.   I also may sell my Wurlitzer concert flute from 4' up but I am not sure I will do that yet.   Gary    
(back) Subject: paper PIPES From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 11:06:27 -0600   I acquired the book on paper pipes and organ building back in 1973. I made one paper pipe as a sample--a small principal. Eventually I gave it to my mom, and it sits on a shelf as a decorative object--but it still plays perfectly though it is now 30 years old. I think a key to paper pipes would be to be sure they have a good sealer on them--and keep them out of damp environments to boot. That pipe has been in a climate controlled environment the whole time.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: [Residence Organs] RE: Parts for sale From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:31:27 -0800   >As it stands right now, I have the Moller three manual console for >sale. It is a double bolster horseshoe console of the same design as >the Capitol Theatre in Rome NY, and the Rylander Theatre In GA. >Moller used the console that I have for a church project so the >console is trimmed oak gothic paneling and has a roll top. I have >bought a whole set of Moller theatre style colored stopkeys for it. >One of the keyboards has been recovered but the other two will need >recovering. The keys seem solid enough that I do not think they will >need to be re-bushed. > >Price=3D$725.00 > >I may have my Wurlitzer violin for sale but only if I find a pair of >VDOs. The Wurlitzer violin is voiced on 10" WP and is stamped >celeste. If I find a single rank of VDO that plays on 8" wind (or >can be made to play on that WP) I will keep the violin and open the >toes. > >I also may sell my Wurlitzer concert flute from 4' up but I am not >sure I will do that yet. > >Gary > >   If the violin becomes available...please let me know   John V  
(back) Subject: Re-inking Coupler Tabs From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:53:58 -0500   Hi gang,   I have a bunch (50) of coupler tabs and stop tabs that need to be re-inked, some black lettering and some red lettering.   What's the best way for an amateur to do this?   Is there a pen-like device that is applicable to this operation?   What are the things to watch out for?   Do I use regular red and black paint? Should I dilute it slightly?   If I wipe the tabs off after applying paint, what kind of cloth is best?   These are not historical tabs, so they need not be done at a professional shop.   All help will be appreciated.   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD.    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re-inking Coupler Tabs From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:28:31 -0500   When I have seen it done , it has been a simple crayon-like stick that you drag across the letters.   noel jones    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] DIY trackers? From: "Clyde R. Putman" <cputman@att.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:27:15 -0600   Anybody remember the Pembroke (sp?) tracker kits?   They seemed kinda clever, I think the idea was for the chests to be = prefab, so if you got the larger instrument, the action was the same but the = chests were bigger. No case, went from 1 man one stop to 2 man / ped and 9 ranks = or so.   Out of business now, I was a poor college student when I saw them, if it = was now I would seriously consider one!   I have been busily designing my OWN DIY tracker...but on a WAY smaller scale, 2 ranks, 8' bourdon, 8' Principal (common bass) with couplers to = the pedal at 8' and 4'   Cheers! -Clyde Librarian Organist Railroad Historian Philosopher      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re-inking Coupler Tabs From: "John Ferguson" <tibia@ozemail.com.au> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 10:55:44 -0800   Hi Paul   All you need is a crayon, I've used red and black on a 1877 tracker. It = looks good and is non-invasive.   John _________________________________________________________________________= ___________________________________ John Ferguson Castlemaine, Victoria Australia Email: tibia@ozemail.com.au   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul R. Swank=20 To: Residence Organ List=20 Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: [Residence Organs] Re-inking Coupler Tabs     Hi gang,   I have a bunch (50) of coupler tabs and stop tabs that need to be=20 re-inked, some black lettering and some red lettering.   What's the best way for an amateur to do this?   Is there a pen-like device that is applicable to this operation?   What are the things to watch out for?   Do I use regular red and black paint? Should I dilute it slightly?   If I wipe the tabs off after applying paint, what kind of cloth is = best?   These are not historical tabs, so they need not be done at a = professional=20 shop.   All help will be appreciated.   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD.  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] DIY trackers? From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:02:46 -0500   List,   I remember getting a catalog from Pembroke back in the 70's. I think I remember something about a "Kangaroo" model which was a two manual organ = in which you could take one manual division off as a separate movable division - like a continuo organ.   I think I was in high school or early college at that time and there was = no way my parents were going to let me get a pipe organ. BTW, I also had a Schober Organ catalog and demo LP with which I dreamed many hours away!!!   Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde R. Putman" <cputman@att.net> To: "Residence Organ List" <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] DIY trackers?     > Anybody remember the Pembroke (sp?) tracker kits? > > They seemed kinda clever, I think the idea was for the chests to be prefab, > so if you got the larger instrument, the action was the same but the chests > were bigger. No case, went from 1 man one stop to 2 man / ped and 9 = ranks or > so. > > Out of business now, I was a poor college student when I saw them, if it was > now I would seriously consider one! > > I have been busily designing my OWN DIY tracker...but on a WAY smaller > scale, 2 ranks, 8' bourdon, 8' Principal (common bass) with couplers to the > pedal at 8' and 4' > > Cheers! > -Clyde > Librarian > Organist > Railroad Historian > Philosopher > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Giving up? From: "Gregory Rister" <grandcornet@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:47:5 -0800   Could not copy the message to the digest, there was no plain text part