DIYAPASON-L Digest #909 - Wednesday, October 29, 2003
 
Re: Korg CA-30 Tuner
  by "James Henry" <jimhen3ry@earthlink.net>
Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #908 - 10/28/03
  by "Jon Buchanan" <sparky@ceinetworks.com>
Tuners and tuning
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net>
Re: Tuners and tuning mixtures
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: Korg CA-30 Tuner
  by "Drew Taylor" <dhtaylor@netmcr.com>
DIY trackers?
  by "Ed Stauff" <ed@mewsic.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  DIY trackers?
  by "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com>
Re: [Residence Organs]  RE: [Residence Organs] Reisner 601 magnetproblems
  by "wcjharrisville" <wcjharrisville@webryders.net>
Celeste tuning
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Celeste tuning
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  DIY trackers?
  by "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Korg CA-30 Tuner From: "James Henry" <jimhen3ry@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:30:57 -0800   eBay seller qwerth = http://www.stores.ebay.com/id=3D12484585&ssPageName=3DL2 sells this tuner for $14.50 plus $2.00 s/h. I haven't used mine too much yet but it seems like it helps those of us who don't have real keen ears = for tuning. The only warning I can think of is don't drop it down a pipe ;-)   Jim Henry   ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Korg CA-30 Tuner From: "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:29:27 -0800 (PST)   Any warnings before I buy one of these?   Paul      
(back) Subject: Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #908 - 10/28/03 From: "Jon Buchanan" <sparky@ceinetworks.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:52:58 -0500   Steve,   Make sure that the magnet is "adjusted" (IE bent) properly. The piece of metal on the end of the magnet and the little armature must be overlapping slightly... don't over do it because it will cause a reduced travel and if you REALLY over do it the magnet will barely open at all.   Simply grab the electromagnet and gently push it down until you achieve the desired gap. These should work fine on 12-14 volts. Increasing the voltage will increase the magnets strength, but you may not have to.   As far as I know, you can do this to any of the DE magnets except for Petersons, which have an adjustment right on the valve...   Hope this helps, Jon    
(back) Subject: Tuners and tuning From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:22:33 -0600   Since Larry Chace told us about the inexpensive turner, I thought I would pose a tuning question. How does one tune the Aeolian 275 pipe, string mixture, Dolce Cornet V?   Bob Taylor      
(back) Subject: Re: Tuners and tuning mixtures From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:52:17 -0500   Bob Taylor asked: "How does one tune the Aeolian 275 pipe, string mixture, Dolce Cornet V?", and the answer has to be: "carefully"!   Assuming that Aeolian did *not* provide individual sliders to turn on or off each rank (though some builders, such as *Hinners* actually did), you need to get something that will let you silence a pipe even when it is being played.   A small ball of cotton placed into the pipe's top can work, but watch out for lint. There are also little felt hats, conical in shape, that can be placed over the pipe's top to silence it; I can't recall the name, but = they are advertized from time to time. The intent is to through the pipe off speech while not hindering its consumption of wind.   For a given note, you "disable" the top 4 pipes, leaving the bottom on playing, and you tune it to your tuning rank or to the tuner device; for Bob's Aeolian mixture, it will be an 8' rank. Then "enable" the next pipe for that note, a 4' in this case, and tune it. Keep adding pipes and tuning until the entire note is complete. Then move on, again silencing all but the lowest pipe.   This means that the higher ranks will be tuned to all of the lower ranks, and that gives you a good cross-check on the tuning; if you can't get a pipe into tune, then perhaps one or more of the lower pitches is still = off.   It is important that all of the pipes for a given note receive their = normal amount of wind, since they are probably being fed from a single valve and = a cross-bored channel that interconnects all of the toe holes. If you tip a pipe out of its toe hole, then more wind will be consumed there, quite possibly upsetting the pressure as seen by the other pipes on that note = and thereby changing their pitches.   At least Bob's mixture is fairly soft, not a schreech-werk type of sound! Happy tuning!   Larry Chace        
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: Korg CA-30 Tuner From: "Drew Taylor" <dhtaylor@netmcr.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:05:27 -0500   I use one of these too for my small 5 rank organ and would recommend it for your low-price tuner needs. The meter is pretty accurate and the tone sounds good. It's easy to setup and small enough to carry around. If it gets dropped down a pipe it's usually a simple matter of turning the pipe upside down to free it, I speak from experience.   -Drew Taylor         James Henry wrote:   >eBay seller qwerth = http://www.stores.ebay.com/id=3D12484585&ssPageName=3DL2 >sells this tuner for $14.50 plus $2.00 s/h. I haven't used mine too much >yet but it seems like it helps those of us who don't have real keen ears = for >tuning. The only warning I can think of is don't drop it down a pipe ;-) > >Jim Henry > >----- Original Message ----- >Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Korg CA-30 Tuner >From: "Paul Soulek" <pipeorganpaul@yahoo.com> >Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:29:27 -0800 (PST) > >Any warnings before I buy one of these? > >Paul > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > >      
(back) Subject: DIY trackers? From: "Ed Stauff" <ed@mewsic.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:45:36 -0500   Do any of you have a mechanical action (tracker) organ that you have = built, are building, or are planning to build? I see lots of traffic about DE and EP hausorgels, but I don't recall seeing anyone talk about trackers. The question isn't academic; I'm seriously considering building a tracker rather than a DE instrument. (Call the men in white coats...)   -- Ed   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Institute for Pipe Organ Research and Education, Inc. www.ipore.org Edward L. Stauff, president ed@mewsic.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Support IPORE and the Encyclopedia of Organ Stops by sponsoring a stop! Details at "http://www.stauffconsulting.com/ipore/DonorSpots.html".  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] DIY trackers? From: "Larry Chace" <RLC1@etnainstruments.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:05:06 -0500   Ed Stauff asked about homebuilt tracker organs. The "Home Organ Group" of the German "Gesellschaft der Orgelfreunde" has a yearly (?) publication in which they've described quite a few homebuilt trackers, ranging from 2 or = 3 rank portatives through 3-manual organs of perhaps 20 ranks or so. (Coupler manuals seem popular there.) The "bible" of that group is "Heimorgelbau" by Karl Borman (in German only). These organs often = feature home-built pipework, almost all of wood, but including things like an 8' Prinzipal, but rarely including any strings. ;-)   My own "opus 1" was a half-tracker, assembled in the early 1960s. Its Great division used a 4-rank slider chest from an 1890s vintage Barkhoff tracker. I reused the chest's two square rails, re-angling the squares = due to a shorter front-to-back length, and re-made the trackers as well. The keyboards were from a tubular-pneumatic organ and had rather short center-pivot keys, and so I added a rear-pivoted lever to each one, about 18" long, suspended from at its front end from the back of the key and having a vertical tracker at about its middle point, connecting to the front square rail down at floor level and just past the ends of the pedal keys. This provided a 2/1 lever ratio, thereby lightening the touch. The pallets opened only 1/2 as far as before, but that was sufficient.   This might not qualify for what Ed is seeking, since most of the action parts and the entire chest were from a discarded church organ rather than being home-built.   I've seen a home-built tracker (quite nice, actually) in Auburn, New York, including a number of owner-built wooden pipes. So, it *can* and *has* been done! Ed, what sort of design do you have in mind?   Larry      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Reisner 601 magnetproblems From: "wcjharrisville" <wcjharrisville@webryders.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:59:24 -0500     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Heimer=20 To: Residence Organ List=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] RE: [Residence Organs] Reisner 601 = magnetproblems     Yo' Steve, What voltage are you using? I had the same problem with = some of mine. When I upped the voltage from 14 to 17 volts most of the = problems cleared up.   Regards, Dave Heimer . Anyone got any thoughts about troubleshooting?   Just got home after 2 days attending a distant funeral. Did you = order the 601s with the correct ohm resistance??  
(back) Subject: Celeste tuning From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:13:31 -0600   Since I asked about the Mixture tuning, I thought a question about celeste tuning was also in order. In my case the 8' string celeste, TC, is made = up of VDO pipes. How should they be tuned? How many beats sharp should the celeste rank be and how does it change going up the scale?   Bob Taylor      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Celeste tuning From: "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:38:26 -0800   Hi Bob. For a VDO or other sharp string, I'd make it sharp about 3 or 4 beats or = so in the middle of the keyboard. I plan to have my VDO's just a bit sharp, =   and the Salicionals sharp-flat, as it's a 3-rank set. The flatted rank should be set to beat very slowly, the sharper Sal a little faster, the = VDO faster yet. Gee, maybe I should have asked! Mine's a theatre organ. Is yours? Concert organs are usually a little slower beating. Also, the milder the string is, the slower the beat. This advice guaranteed to be worth what you paid for it! Regards,   Bob   At 05:13 PM 10/29/2003, Robert W. Taylor wrote: >Since I asked about the Mixture tuning, I thought a question about = celeste >tuning was also in order. In my case the 8' string celeste, TC, is made = up >of VDO pipes. How should they be tuned? How many beats sharp should the >celeste rank be and how does it change going up the scale? > >Bob Taylor    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] DIY trackers? From: "Jimmy" <jrbaird@erols.com> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:32:07 -0500   Yes, I built a 5 rank tracker years ago. I did use old keyboards and pedalboard though, and the pedal chest (one rank) was DE, although both the sw and gt chests were tracker, two ranks each chest.   Jimmy   Ed Stauff wrote: > > Do any of you have a mechanical action (tracker) organ that you have = built, > are building, or are planning to build? I see lots of traffic about DE > and EP hausorgels, but I don't recall seeing anyone talk about trackers. > The question isn't academic; I'm seriously considering building a = tracker > rather than a DE instrument. (Call the men in white coats...) > > -- Ed