DIYAPASON-L Digest #954 - Wednesday, February 4, 2004
 
Re: [Residence Organs]  More wiring questions
  by "Scott E." <yahudinyhwh@sbcglobal.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  More wiring questions
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #953 - 02/03/04
  by "Jon Fick" <jon@VermontFicks.org>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #953 - 02/03/04
  by "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu>
Cheap "66" blocks
  by "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  More wiring questions
  by "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] More wiring questions From: "Scott E." <yahudinyhwh@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 01:00:15 -0800   Robert,   The 110 block was developed to accommodate higher data speeds of modern computer networking. Although the 66 block can handle some data, they were principally used for voice connections.   The 110 block will allow a greater wiring density for a given area. I think the central issue would be current capacity. I could not find a web based spec on how much electrical current either system could accommodate.   110 punch down blocks can be purchased in many configurations. Several punch locations are electrically connected via a buss (buss bar). It is certainly possible to find one that would have 6 or more output connections for a given input connection.   Scott ------------------------------------------------------ Robert W. Taylor wrote: > Several comments have been made recently concerning the use of "66" = punch > down blocks. What I would like to hear is an in depth discussion = comparing > those blocks to the newer "110" blocks. Specifically, how can the "110" > blocks be used when as many as six cables have to be joined in parallel. > > I am somewhat at a disadvantage in that I have never seen any "110" = block > installations and reading about them from spec sheets leaves a lot to be > desired > > I need to finalize my junction board design immediately as I have two EE > students ready to go to work. > > The best price I have found so far for "66" blocks is $6.50. > > Bob Taylor > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] More wiring questions From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:54:18 -0500   I purchased a couple of them from my local electrical supplier for under $7.00 also.   Eric   At 11:11 PM 2/3/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Robert, > >Please tell where you've found the "66" blocks for that price. > >Thanks, >Keith >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> >To: <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> >Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:50 PM >Subject: [Residence Organs] More wiring questions > > > > Several comments have been made recently concerning the use of "66" = punch > > down blocks. What I would like to hear is an in depth discussion >comparing > > those blocks to the newer "110" blocks. Specifically, how can the = "110" > > blocks be used when as many as six cables have to be joined in = parallel. > > > > I am somewhat at a disadvantage in that I have never seen any "110" = block > > installations and reading about them from spec sheets leaves a lot to = be > > desired > > > > I need to finalize my junction board design immediately as I have two = EE > > students ready to go to work. > > > > The best price I have found so far for "66" blocks is $6.50. > > > > Bob Taylor > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > >DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own >Residence Pipe Organs. >HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org >List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #953 - 02/03/04 From: "Jon Fick" <jon@VermontFicks.org> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:33:07 -0500   Robert,   110 type punch down connections seem to be used more for terminating high speed wiring than for fanning it out. High speed connections, by their nature are typically point-to-point due to the bit rates at hand. The 110 blades are less robust, in my opinion, than a 66 punch down connection. Generally speaking, if you want to fan out six ways in a 66-block, you can find blocks that have all four contacts in each row electrically joined, = but more typical are the blocks where the first and second are joined, and the third and fourth are joined. If you want to join the two pairs, you use a bridging clip. Another way to connect multiple sets of contacts together = is to daisy-chain contacts, where you punch a wire into a contact using the non-cutting end of the punch tool, then route the free end to the next contact, etc.   I have to admit I've not seen a "110 block." If they exist I'd probably = opt not to use them in a pipe organ installation if 66-blocks were available.   Jon Fick   > > Subject: More wiring questions > From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:50:00 -0600 > > Several comments have been made recently concerning the use of "66" = punch > down blocks. What I would like to hear is an in depth discussion comparing > those blocks to the newer "110" blocks. Specifically, how can the "110" > blocks be used when as many as six cables have to be joined in parallel. > > I am somewhat at a disadvantage in that I have never seen any "110" = block > installations and reading about them from spec sheets leaves a lot to be > desired > > I need to finalize my junction board design immediately as I have two EE > students ready to go to work. > > The best price I have found so far for "66" blocks is $6.50. > > Bob Taylor > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] More wiring questions > From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:11:07 -0500 > > Robert, > > Please tell where you've found the "66" blocks for that price. > > Thanks, > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> > To: <DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: [Residence Organs] More wiring questions > > > > Several comments have been made recently concerning the use of "66" punch > > down blocks. What I would like to hear is an in depth discussion > comparing > > those blocks to the newer "110" blocks. Specifically, how can the = "110" > > blocks be used when as many as six cables have to be joined in = parallel. > > > > I am somewhat at a disadvantage in that I have never seen any "110" block > > installations and reading about them from spec sheets leaves a lot to = be > > desired > > > > I need to finalize my junction board design immediately as I have two = EE > > students ready to go to work. > > > > The best price I have found so far for "66" blocks is $6.50. > > > > Bob Taylor > > > > > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own > > Residence Pipe Organs. > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > End of DIYAPASON-L Digest > > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their own Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:owner-DIYAPASON@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Re: DIYAPASON-L Digest #953 - 02/03/04 From: "Eric Sagmuller" <ess4@psu.edu> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:19:13 -0500   At 08:33 AM 2/4/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Robert, > >110 type punch down connections seem to be used more for terminating high >speed wiring than for fanning it out. High speed connections, by their >nature are typically point-to-point due to the bit rates at hand. The = 110 >blades are less robust, in my opinion, than a 66 punch down connection. >Generally speaking, if you want to fan out six ways in a 66-block, you = can >find blocks that have all four contacts in each row electrically joined, = but >more typical are the blocks where the first and second are joined, and = the >third and fourth are joined.   I have some used ones lying at home that have 6 contacts across all = joined. Then there are some that have two sets of 3, two sets of two and one set = of 4 joined. I'm not sure if I have every combination, but I have no use for the ones I have but I'm not sure the cost of shipping make them worth = sending.      
(back) Subject: Cheap "66" blocks From: "Robert W. Taylor" <rtaylor@socket.net> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:52:10 -0600   My local Electric Supply Branch of Frost Electric sells the Suttle 66M1-50-C5 for $6.31 plus tax.......by far the best price I've found anywhere.   Bob Taylor   >Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] More wiring questions >From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 23:11:07 -0500 > >Robert, > >Please tell where you've found the "66" blocks for that price. > >Thanks, >Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] More wiring questions From: "Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:47:14 -0500   > The 110 block was developed to accommodate higher data speeds of modern > computer networking. Although the 66 block can handle some data, they > were principally used for voice connections.   The 110 block was developed primarily to increase the density of the = connections. You can get Cat 5 in both 66 and 110 blocks.   Of course if you have a lot of connections going from place to place (like = the console to the chests), you can save a lot of effort by getting them preterminated = for 50-pair cable.