DIYAPASON-L Digest #979 - Saturday, March 20, 2004
 
Fw: pallet magnets
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fw: pallet magnets
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Fw: pallet magnets
  by "atos" <atos@stirlingprop.com>
control systems
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fw: pallet magnets
  by "S. Durham" <sdurham11@comcast.net>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fw: pallet magnets
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: [Residence Organs]  Fw: pallet magnets
  by "jon b" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
 

(back) Subject: Fw: pallet magnets From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:06:59 -0400     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Timothy Patterson=20 To: Daniel Hopkins=20 Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: pallet magnets     Dear Mr. Hopkins,   Due to the way we market our products, we sell them only to = professionals. I have reviewed searches found on the internet regarding your name and = have=20 concluded that you do not meet these requirements.   Our Direct-Action magnets are not simple devices. They require time and = experience to correctly implement them. We must decline your request since your are = in a rush=20 for chest actions and will not be able to take the time needed to = thoroughly=20 understand them before using in a finished product.   Please understand that we are only protecting our reputation. Experience = has taught us to learn new customers before we release our products to them.   I truly wish you well in solving your issues.     Sincerely,   Timothy Patterson, President, KADAK INC.   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel Hopkins=20 To: kadak@usinternet.com=20 Sent: Friday, 19 March, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: pallet magnets     I am in need of a box of 21 3/4" pallet magnets and pallets and = adhesive I am rebuilding a pipe organ and am in Canada. Please get back to me immediatly , Im in need of the mags desperatly = as i am installing Opus-Two system by Dave Miltons Essential = technology .and to get it working i need to hook up the rest of the = pipes. I will also in the future plan on buying more from you . do you take mastercard?   Daniel    
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fw: pallet magnets From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:16:14 -0400   I have since found other sources for my need for pallet magnets, I = thought I would try some Kadak mags as some other people I know were. = But hthat was the responce I got from Kadak Im using multiple brands of mags from Kimber -Allen, Reisner 601s , = DVA,s ,Klann, sort of what ever I could get my hands on. I think i must know something about installing pallet mags as I have = installed must be a more then a couple hundred so far Has anyone else here had problems getting anything from Kadak? Daniel    
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Fw: pallet magnets From: "atos" <atos@stirlingprop.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:52:29 -0600   Daniel, You might want to check Organ Supply or Arndt Organ Supply in the U.S. for your needs. They also make/sell devices which are combination chest magnet and primary valve in a single unit. I have used both the Arndt unit (made = by Nottermann of England) and the ones from OSI and have had no trouble implementing them as long as they are properly sized for the operating pressure and pipe toe hole size.   I would caution that any device that requires "time and experience to correctly implement" would probably be overly complicated and problematic = in the average home installation. Although I am not a "professional", I have successfully rebuilt six theatre organs and have worked on over 50 church/classical instruments through my association with OHS, AGO and = ATOS. I have had absolutely no trouble implementing any of the devices mentioned above.   I would also caution any vendor who refuses to sell to owners of home = organ installations that there is more experienced talent in the ranks of ATOS = and OHS than exist out there among many of the so called professional "builders". While the demand for pipe organs and pipe organ parts = diminishes over time, because of the complexities of these machines and the ease of electronic organ ownership, the bulk of the market for organ parts lies squarely with individuals or groups who are restoring these instruments = for pleasure or charity. Organ Supply Industries learned this lesson very = well. After their sales plummeted in the late 90's, they have now decided to = start selling parts to qualified home organ owners, ATOS clubs, and volunteer = type technicians who can establish that they are working under qualified conditions. They have even reworked their product line to include products that are of exclusive interest to theatre organ restorers. The gentlemen mentioned in Daniel's post may want to consider waking up to the fact that the biggest market for organ parts lies right here on the chat lists for amateur organ technicians. -----Original Message----- From: DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org [mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org]On = Behalf Of Daniel Hopkins Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:07 AM To: Residence Organ List Subject: [Residence Organs] Fw: pallet magnets       ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Patterson To: Daniel Hopkins Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: Re: pallet magnets     Dear Mr. Hopkins,   Due to the way we market our products, we sell them only to = professionals. I have reviewed searches found on the internet regarding your name and have concluded that you do not meet these requirements.   Our Direct-Action magnets are not simple devices. They require time and experience to correctly implement them. We must decline your request since your are in a rush for chest actions and will not be able to take the time needed to thoroughly understand them before using in a finished product.   Please understand that we are only protecting our reputation. Experience has taught us to learn new customers before we release our products to them.   I truly wish you well in solving your issues.     Sincerely,   Timothy Patterson, President, KADAK INC.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Hopkins To: kadak@usinternet.com Sent: Friday, 19 March, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: pallet magnets     I am in need of a box of 21 3/4" pallet magnets and pallets and adhesive I am rebuilding a pipe organ and am in Canada. Please get back to me immediatly , Im in need of the mags desperatly as i am installing Opus-Two system by Dave Miltons Essential technology ..and to get it working i need to hook up the rest of the pipes. I will = also in the future plan on buying more from you . do you take mastercard?   Daniel    
(back) Subject: control systems From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:48:02 -0400   By the way, any Home users out there as well as any Professional = builders, might want to check out Dave Miltons Essential Technology = Opus -Two system, It is a very nice system and very easy to install I would probly say its by far the simplest system with great capability = out there . heres a link to hsi site, a very impressive overview is there=20 I would recommend this system to anyone looking for this capability.,   http://207.236.55.58/users/opustwo/index.html Daniel      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fw: pallet magnets From: "S. Durham" <sdurham11@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:48:30 -0800   Daniel:   The letter from Kadak is bizarre and laughable. What do they think = they're selling, nuclear reactors??? Their pallet valves are no = different than anyone else's. Perhaps Kadak believes that the = connection of two wires and two screws is considered too complicated = for organ hobbyists. When I buy direct pallet valves from OSI, = Peterson, or Klann they never have forced me to attend a seminar on how = to use them. I checked Kadak's pricing and they aren't much different = than OSI, Klann, or Peterson. Buy from one of those companies.   Steven   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Daniel Hopkins=20 To: Residence Organ List=20 Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fw: pallet magnets     I have since found other sources for my need for pallet magnets, = I thought I would try some Kadak mags as some other people I know were. = But hthat was the responce I got from Kadak Im using multiple brands of mags from Kimber -Allen, Reisner 601s , = DVA,s ,Klann, sort of what ever I could get my hands on. I think i must know something about installing pallet mags as I have = installed must be a more then a couple hundred so far Has anyone else here had problems getting anything from Kadak? Daniel  
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fw: pallet magnets From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:55:59 -0400   yeah, funny ehh, When it comes to placing a pallet over a hole, of = course you know you have to put it over the hole to completly cover it. = I know how to use a soldering iron, or do i now have to have a lisence = to plug it it. ya never know , these days,=20 and if there items are that complicated, I dont want to have anything = to do with them, I will get ones that are proven over time like DVAs, or 601s, etc Daniel      
(back) Subject: Re: [Residence Organs] Fw: pallet magnets From: "jon b" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:47:28 -0600   at the risk of offending other mfgrs....have you tried Matters Inc.?   Hermosa, SD, USA. $5.00 ea I believe, valve and glue extra. single #10 screw to fasten, easy to adjust/regulate.     Jon Bertschinger Saint Joseph, MO (no not near saint louis....north kansas city area!!) LOL