PipeChat Digest #23 - Tuesday, August 5, 1997
 
 


(back) Subject: Re: I'm baaack! and Wanamaker's/L&T From: Robert Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 08:58:21 -0400   At 01:57 AM 8/3/97, you wrote: >Hiya, folks, I'm baack! Nice to see nothing's changed on PipeChat, that >you're all still piping up and being heard! :) > >I'm still catching up on my PipeChat reading, but the Wanamaker's question >caught my eye. Please forgive me if this duplicates a recent post, and I >hope Claire will forgive my quoting her here. > >I hope to attend the Phila. Organ 4tet concert, btw. > > --Shirley   Welcome back Shirley, - I think that we were well behaved during your absence. I hope that you had a good time in SoCal. We missed you! Bob Conway   The reward for working hard is more hard work.  
(back) Subject: Death Valley Ranch Theatre Organ From: jkautz@ebicom.net (Jerrell Kautz) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 97 08:44:44 -0500   I was watching America's Castles last night on Discovery? when all at once i heard pipe organ music and before my very eyes was this massive (11,000 pipes according to the guy on tv) theatre organ, probably a Welte, that was in the Death Valley Ranch "castle".   Does anyone know if this organ is still there and if so is it playable, the pictures of it looked current. I think it was Welte because it played itself according to them and some rolls they showed said "Welte" on them.   I hadn't heard of this one before, sounded interesting.    
(back) Subject: Re: Death Valley Ranch Theatre Organ From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:18:40 -0500   >I was watching America's Castles last night on Discovery? when all at once i >heard pipe organ music and before my very eyes was this massive (11,000 >pipes according to the guy on tv) theatre organ, probably a Welte, that was >in the Death Valley Ranch "castle". > >Does anyone know if this organ is still there and if so is it playable, the >pictures of it looked current. I think it was Welte because it played >itself according to them and some rolls they showed said "Welte" on them. > >I hadn't heard of this one before, sounded interesting. > i saw the same program last night and knew that there was a pipe organ in the "castle". I remember reading about it or seeing it mentioned somewhere probably in the Junken books. I was wondering if the background music was actually from the organ in question. I do have a feeling that it is probably still playable as i seem to remember hearing about it playing sometimes for tour groups. i am sure that the pictures that were shown were rather current since as I understand it the "american Castles" series is still in porduction.   David   ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: cd's, more and more From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:51:10 -0400 (EDT)     I took a brief outing this past Sunday with my wife to a local music store -- she had ordered the soundtrack to Chess after seeing the show (and naturally they screwed up and got the Broadway instead of the London cast recording -- blech!). Before paying for the soundtrack, though, I wondered around the classical music shelves. This place (Compact Disc World, with several locations in the New Jersey) is very good for two things: super discounts and used CD's. They have 100% guaranteed used CD's for usually very good prices. Unfortunately, they rarely have much organ stuff, though I didn't (yet) buy the Dupre recording they had for $11.99 (that's a regular price there -- usually most stuff is around $10-$12).   The first organ CD I ever owned was a Bach's Favorite Organ Works on Infinity Digital by Anthony "Anything You Can Play I Can Play Faster" Newman -- hey, for $3.99 new it wasn't a bad deal, and on one CD I've got almost a full Bach canon! ;)   Anyway, I then got E. Power Bigg's Great Organ Favorites and Great Preludes and Fugues, Vol. II. Wow. That Flentrop is a fantastic instrument.   Well, Sunday I found Virgil Fox's "Bach's Great Organ Works". What a difference between him and Biggs! First off, Fox uses the swell quite liberally, which on his arrangement of Air makes sense, but I don't think it works well on the D minor. Of course, the organ is different (Riverside Church in NY), so that has a lot to do with it.   It seems that Fox is much flashier than Biggs, but that is neither here nor there. Honestly, I'd have to say I like them both. :)   Well, I'm off to listen to more music -- 5 single CD's and 3 double CD's for $30 -- can't beat that with a flaming hickory stick. I highly recommend CD World, even though their selection may not be huge, the sales and used CD prices are worth it (Anthony Newman's Goldberg Variations was $1.99 used -- I couldn't pass it up).   I used to go to the store on Rt. 17 Southbound in Paramus, but I think the one at Rt. 46 Westbound (I forget the city -- near Rt. 23/Rt. 80 junctions) is a little nicer and a lot less crowded.   Take care, -Adam Rutherford, NJ USA -O Free speech online! ___| Do you ever get the feeling http://zen.advance.net/~alevin____________/that the story's too damned real __________________________/and in the present tense, or that everybody's /on the stage and it like you're the only person sitting in the audience?      
(back) Subject: Re: Death Valley Ranch Theatre Organ From: pniki@firstavenue.com Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:33:16 -0500   >> before my very eyes was this massive (11,000 >>pipes according to the guy on tv) theatre organ, probably a Welte, > >The guy actually said eleven hundred, not eleven thousand, which for a theatre >organ, given the amount of unification they usually have and the size of the >console and room sounds about right. I saw the Welte rolls, too, but the >console had that WurLitzer look to it. I wonder if it was a WurLitzer with a >Welte roll player? > >Peter Nikiforuk > > >Message routed through FIRSTline's SMTP Gateway. > >First Avenue Information Systems Inc. >People. Solutions. Service. >(519) 746-5630    
(back) Subject: Re: Death Valley Ranch Theatre Organ From: pniki@firstavenue.com Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:33:16 -0500   >> before my very eyes was this massive (11,000 >>pipes according to the guy on tv) theatre organ, probably a Welte, > >The guy actually said eleven hundred, not eleven thousand, which for a theatre >organ, given the amount of unification they usually have and the size of the >console and room sounds about right. I saw the Welte rolls, too, but the >console had that WurLitzer look to it. I wonder if it was a WurLitzer with a >Welte roll player? > >Peter Nikiforuk > > >Message routed through FIRSTline's SMTP Gateway. > >First Avenue Information Systems Inc. >People. Solutions. Service. >(519) 746-5630    
(back) Subject: RE: Casavant Pics now available From: "Wilkinson, Dan" <wilkinson@mdaw.mdc.com> Date: 4 Aug 1997 10:08:11 U   Jonathan,   Thanks for the pictures.....they are really very good! The console is really nice looking.....how does that back support work for you? It looks like it could be uncomfortable.....   Thanks   Dan Wilkinson _______________________________________________________________________________ From: PipeChat on Thu, Jul 31, 1997 5:55 PM Subject: Casavant Pics now available To: pipechat@pipechat.org Cc: Giwro@aol.com   Dear Pipe-chatters,   A few weeks ago I shared with you my impressions of a visit to see and play the IV/125 Casavant at Lake Avenue Congregational Church in Pasadena, CA. The pictures I took have been developed, and I can send them to anyone who is interested (as long as you can accept file attachments to email). If you are a Mac user, you'll get them one by one. Same thing for IBM/PC users, unless you have a way to unZIP files. I could also send them as a self-extracting .EXE file if anyone wants to accept them that way. There will be 4 pictures available:   1) Closeup of the case looking up at the chamades 2) View of case & console from R. balcony 3) Close-up of console 4) yours truly at the console   Please let me know via PRIVATE EMAIL   1) Which pictures you want 2) How you want 'em (JPG or TIFF) 3) ZIPped, EXE or individually   **************   Jonathan   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     ------------------ RFC822 Header Follows ------------------ Received: by mdaw.mdc.com with ADMIN;31 Jul 1997 17:53:49 U Received: from aol.com by pipechat.org with SMTP; Thu, 31 Jul 97 19:54:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:54:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Giwro@aol.com Message-ID: <970731205400_1213889014@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org cc: Giwro@aol.com Subject: Casavant Pics now available Reply-To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Return-Path: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sender: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip 2.0 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:requests@pipechat.org?subject=unsubscribe%20pipechat> List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@pipechat.org?subject=subscribe%20pipechat>  
(back) Subject: Re: Death Valley Ranch Theatre Organ From: DudelK@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:40:14 -0400 (EDT)   Earlier in the same program they featured the Winchester mansion (castle) in (I think) San Jose. It was said that the widow Winchester often went down to the music room late at night and played. The music was from the Charpentier Te Deum. Couldn't tell if it was actually coming from that organ.   Any details on that one, too?  
(back) Subject: Acoustics From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@dave-world.net> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 17:40:16 -0700   On Sat, 02 Aug 1997 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT), Robert Gault <rgault@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> wrote:   > >Hi List,   > > I would like to know if area rugs or carpets vs hardwood floors are > > likely to make much difference in the average small home installation > > of a pipe organ. I am told there is a difference between echo and > > acoustical response. What think ye?   And on Sun, 03 Aug 1997 02:59:07 GMT Roger Brown <robrown@ozemail.com.au> responded:   > An interesting set of responses - I'm certainly surprised to note the > feelings of some that some acoustic damping is desirable.That was > certainly NOT my experience when I acquired a house organ about 8 > years ago.At the time I worked on the basis of my observations of > other house organs viz- the successful ones were usually those whose > owners had been able to provide adequate space - trying to cram an > instrument into a small space was almost always unsatisfactory   > - if the space was acoustically 'live' then the result was even better   <snippage>   > You do need an instrument voiced with due moderation - extremes of > voicing just don't work in a house environment. Of the professionally > built house organs I've seen, 'skinny' neo baroque voicing seems to be > the worst fault. You also need to address the issue of how to ensure > that the organ is not to hard on the players ears (another very common > fault). But with those issues properly addressed I would always go for > as little in the way of rugs, carpets, curtains etc. as possible.   Well, having just installed a 14-rank residence organ in California last year, I guess I should come out of "lurk" mode and add a comment or two to the fray:   Interestingly enough, we also found that a slight bit of dampening to an otherwise hard-surfaced room was a necessity. We started out with the equivalent space of a two-car garage (28' X 28') with an 8' ceiling in the majority of the area, except over the organ itself, the ceiling was raised to follow the underside of the roof and the roof trusses were left exposed and painted. All of this was finished with two layers of sheetrock that was spray-patterned with plaster.   The floor was laid with oak hardwood with poly finish, and there were no other draperies or cloth, other than two oversize upholstered chairs in the room.   I agree with Roger's comments that voicing has to be quite mordent! The owner had started out wanting to have very chiffy, baroque voicing. He lived with this for about 3 months, and then had it completely subdued. I had told him : "live with it for a year, and then plan to have me come back and do some more Tonal Finishing"! He actually chose not to wait that long and had it done locally! It didn't surprise me, but sometimes, one learns by such experiences not to give the customer what they THINK they want!   Ultimately, however, when we were done, the best result was with an area rug in the center of the floor to take just a little bit of the "edge" off the instrument. The cut-ups were kept quite low (1/5!) and pressures were only 2" in the Great and 2-1/2" in the Swell! The Pedal was 3", but didn't really need that much, either!   You can take a look at the instrument on our web page at:   http://wcbi.com/organs/arp/home/   Home organbuilding is very subjective! That's really the lesson to be learned: to each his/her own!   Faithfully, / ^ ^ \ { (O) (O) } --------oOOOo--------U-------oOOOo------------   "Arp in the Corn Patch" Rich Schneider SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Organbuilders SNAILMAIL:41-43 Johnston Street P.O. Box 137 Kenney, Il 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX EMAIL: mailto:arpncorn@dave-world.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Death Valley Ranch Theatre Organ From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:39:20 -0500   >Earlier in the same program they featured the Winchester mansion (castle) in >(I think) San Jose. It was said that the widow Winchester often went down to >the music room late at night and played. The music was from the Charpentier >Te Deum. Couldn't tell if it was actually coming from that organ. > >Any details on that one, too? > From the looks of the organ it is a large reed organ. I didn't feel that the music fit the scene very well. i know several friends that have visited the Winchester Mystery House so I will ask them if they remember the organ and what it is.   David   ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Question re TO unification From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:43:38 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-08-01 21:39:13 EDT, you write:   << Of course today with the use of computerized relay systems, all of these features come almost free! The only limitation today is the number of stop tabs that can be crammed into the console! >>   Stop tabs? How about a digital control system w/ virtual "stops" that can be dynamicly reprogrammed in real time? And while were at it, why don't we connect tracker consoles to servo controllers, giving us "old organ" response in a "Romantic Organ" sized instrument?