PipeChat Digest #50 - Thursday, August 28, 1997
 
 


(back) Subject: Re: Altar calls / organs playing quietly From: "D. Glenn Day/Keith H. Douglas" <kginc-bham@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:18:17 -0500       David Neal wrote:   > > > BTW, what do we call that kind of music? > > At my church we call this 'doo-dah' music. The pastor ask me if I could play > a 'doo-dah' while he prays........and wasn't it Oral Roberts (or his twin > brother Anal) who started this horrible practice?   D. Glenn Day Birmingham, AL      
(back) Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Area Bound From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:29:19 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-08-28 06:49:30 EDT, Robert Clooney writes:   << I play as a substitute organist for different churches (that way I get to play and experience a variety of organs, am not tied down, and can take off if if I choose). >>   I do the same thing - had an organist position for a couple of years, but prefer to sub. How many others on the list do this?   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Vicki Ceruti Myosotis51@aol.com~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
(back) Subject: Re: Tampa Bay Area Bound From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:38:06 -0400 (EDT)   Sounds like fun Bruce.....Looks like you'll be starting your new career as tour guide soon!!!   RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Altar calls / organs playing quietly From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:48:59 -0400 (EDT)   Welcome Glenn Day......   At Trinity they call it traveling music. I always improv. on "shall we gather at the river" during the baptism procession.   You might not remember me but I've met you at some time or another!! a former Lumby student I am.....good to see you on the list.   Randy Terry  
(back) Subject: Re: No Subject From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:56:44 -0500 (CDT)   At 06:18 PM 8/27/97, Shirley wrote: >At 17:39 08/27/97 -0400, Ken Sybesma wrote: >>(I think) Bruce Cornely wrote: >> >>>>At the evening service, at "altar call", the minister said, "while the >>organ >>>>plays quietly..." >> >>To which the official organists union response is, "Go ahead, let it! I'll be >>out back smoking a cigarette. Let me know when you want _me_ to play the >>organ quietly." > > >To which the business administrator of the non-unionized church says, "Go >ahead, enjoy your cigarette! We'll just let the MIDI play for the whole >service!"   An incident like this really did happen at the opening of the organ at a Town Hall in Northern England -- I think at Huddersfield or somewhere like that. In around 1950 the organ had been rebuilt and the Mayor was declaring it open. "The organ will now play!" he announced. The organist (a little peeved, I think, at not being introduced by name) said "Oh! will it?", got off the bench and stood back to watch.   The sequel to this saga came in around 1985 when the organ was again rebuilt. This time with all mod cons like multiplexing, memory, MIDI, etc. Remembering the previous incident, the now Mayor used the same words, "The organ will not play!" ... and it did.   John.    
(back) Subject: "the organ will play.... and it did" From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:36:32 -0400   Think on these things, folks, as you add all of these modern conveniences to your pipe organ. Someday, they may have a volunteer pushing the button to play YOUR music, and you'll be selling insurance (but on the upside, you'll be making more money!)   Bruce Cornely ============ o o o o ============== o o o ______________ o o o o o o ______________ o o o OHS ======================== AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a FAQ list? - Yup Me! From: Nelson and Tracy Denton <ndenton434@bigwave.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:04:47   At 11:35 PM 8/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >I think it is a very good idea, especially if it could be accessed from >a place where some unsuspecting person might stumble upon it and get >interested in pipe organs. It is such a good idea that it could >probably get out of hand and create a lot of work for you >(hehehehehehe) > > Bruce Cornely     I've already got the Wedding Nightmares Etc. list available ( just through e-mail though) and i'm working on Faq's for other topics. Insurance , lightning, blowers etc. Someday I've got to get my web page installed and updated. And I'll post them to the page.   If we each took a different subject and worked on it serparately we could place them on our own web pages and then link then to one another. This would save time, money, web page space etc and would make each person feel as though they had "done it themselves".   Make sure you post your web pages to Yahoo and Webcrawler etc. If you wish the world to see your web pages. It's free and easy to do.   If anyone has any more Wedding Jokes, Blower stuff, Lightning strikes, Insurance Woe's, Tips Stories, Gripes, Greivences, etc. please feel free to e-mail them to me. and I'll add them to the list.   P. S. you can send me money too! :-)))))) - hey it's worth a try, eh? :-)))) I got's an expensive bride to take care of. :-)))   If you want my list just e-mail me @ ndenton434@bigwave.ca The list is big 125 e-mails + i'm working on geting them into a package deal folks - when I get the time.   I think i've sent everybody on my list a package of the e-mails if i've missed anyone let me know.   Got to get off to work - Again - yuck a two and 1/2 hour drive just to the church each way!! ( about 40 miles) :-((((( it's faster walking.   Signed "You know who" Nelson E. Denton R. A. Denton and Son Pipe Organ Builders Hamilton Ontario Canada  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a FAQ list? From: WiegandCJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:24:04 -0400 (EDT)   In einer eMail vom 28.08.1997 07:43:08, schreiben Sie:   << Have we ever considered adding a FAQ list? If there is collective interest, I would consider contributing. I'm thinking along the lines of many of us contributing material, not just one or two. Any interest? >>   Yessss!   Carl  
(back) Subject: Re: "The organ will play..." From: Jlokken@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:24:27 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-08-28 08:59:56 EDT, you write:   << An incident like this really did happen at the opening of the organ at a Town Hall in Northern England -- I think at Huddersfield or somewhere like that. In around 1950 the organ had been rebuilt and the Mayor was declaring it open. "The organ will now play!" he announced. The organist (a little peeved, I think, at not being introduced by name) said "Oh! will it?", got off the bench and stood back to watch. >>   That story really has "legs," as they say. I heard it more than 30 years ago, and the organist in that version was W.T. Best.   Back then, Time Magazine's story about the Texas funeral for Sam Rayburn, former Speaker of the House of Representatives, included the phrase, "The organ played 'The Star-Spangled Banner.'" I wrote a note to the editors, chiding them and quoting the W.T. Best story. One of their staffers responded to me with a poem:   "Why," piped the organ, "do you attribute to me a self-expression that cannot be?"   Nevertheless, said the editor, it was Time's opinion that such expressions as "The organ played ..." are acceptable usage.   Jim Lokken  
(back) Subject: Re: Connecting mike inputs to the pre-amp output of a CONN 624 From: PHarri5833@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT)   If the only electrical output connectors are those for the speakers, direct connection to the sound mixer is perfectly possible. What is needed is a DI ( = direct inject) box.   These boxes are used in recording studios for connecting guitar amps, synthesizers and all manor of electronic music equipment to sound mixers. They normally provide a high level of isolation by using an audio transformer between the instrument and the mixer which is very handy for avoiding grounding/hum problems. Cheap ones are usually just the transformer but better devices include some active signal buffering, often powered from the 48 volt microphone "phantom" supply available on professional mixing consoles. The ouptut is also a balanced one, making the connection relatively immune from noise pickup, even if the circuit to the mixer is a long one.   Good quality DI boxes provide a variety of input sockets with different sensitivities to receive signals at speaker level, typical keyboard intrument line level or guitar pickup level.   Of course if the CONN Model 624 has multiple speaker channels, multiple DI boxes and several channels of the sound desk are going to be required to achieve a proper balance. However, if the organ doesn't provide a ready blended line level/"pre-amp" signal, there is little choice.   The next issue is whether the organist has confidence in the sound engineer to balance the various speaker feeds against one another. Some sound engineers might feel that these low level string sounds need "bringing up" to balance those loud trumpets! If the main sound mixer in the church does not have sufficient channels to recieve all the organ speaker feed as separate, one might consider pre-mixing these on a small mixer, under the control of the organist and then sending only one (or perhaps a stereo pair) of signals to the main mixer.   Picking up internal feeds may be an alternative, but it is certain that these will be unbalanced (i.e. just a signal feed and a common ground) and sending such a signal over a length of cable to the sound desk runs a high risk of creating noise problems, both in the feed to the mixer and back into the organ itself. If you do decide to obtain such an internal feed, a DI box should still be used to isolate the organ and sound desk to avoid hum.     Peter Harrison Emmanuel Church, Holcombe, Ramsbottom GB & P H Music (Music and sound engineering services)  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a FAQ list? From: "Dr. Peter Pocock" <pgpocock@umcv.org> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:00:52 -0700   At 11:24 AM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >In einer eMail vom 28.08.1997 07:43:08, schreiben Sie: > ><< Have we ever considered adding a FAQ list? > Hi,   If someone is interested in gathering and organizing all of the information for a Pipe Organ FAQ, I would be happy to make space available on PipeChat's homepages to have the information available to everyone.   Thanks,   Pete!    
(back) Subject: Re: "the organ will play.... and it did" From: "Richard Scott-Copeland" <organist@interalpha.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:19:30 +0100       ---------- > From: bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: "the organ will play.... and it did" > Date: 28 August 1997 14:36 > > Think on these things, folks, as you add all of these modern > conveniences to your pipe organ. Someday, they may have a volunteer > pushing the button to play YOUR music, and you'll be selling insurance > (but on the upside, you'll be making more money!) > As a student "fill-in" organist for a major cathedral in England, (shall not for obvious reasons name which one!) I used to give the choirboys 50pence if they could guess the tunes on which I "fiddled" at during the service. Items for fiddling included (heavily disguised) "Monty Python's Always look on the bright side of life", Star Trek, Postman Pat, Happy Birthday and, more recently, the theme from the Batman movies etc. The clergy never realised the joke, but several choirboys won a few pounds extra. (out of my pocket) I should add that we had the best behaved choirboys in the district during the "boring" parts of the service!   from Richard Scott-Copeland organist@interalpha.co.uk > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: "the organ will play.... and it did" From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:45:22 -0400   Richard Scott-Copeland and his disguised tunes reminds me of an organist from my childhood who used to do the same thing. Must be something in the communion wine!   Bruce Cornely ============ o o o o ============== o o o ______________ o o o o o o ______________ o o o OHS ======================== AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: No Subject From: Bob Luderer <bobsled@nji.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:21:35 -0700   Shirley wrote: > > At 17:39 08/27/97 -0400, Ken Sybesma wrote: > >(I think) Bruce Cornely wrote: > > > >>>At the evening service, at "altar call", the minister said, "while the > >organ > >>>plays quietly..." > > > >To which the official organists union response is, "Go ahead, let it! I'll be > >out back smoking a cigarette. Let me know when you want _me_ to play the > >organ quietly." > > To which the business administrator of the non-unionized church says, "Go > ahead, enjoy your cigarette! We'll just let the MIDI play for the whole > service!" > To Which the digital programmer replies, Fine, I'll do all the MIDI files you want, but just try and figure out how to make them work. <G>   And they call the organist.      
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a FAQ list? From: Bob Luderer <bobsled@nji.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:11:38 -0700   Dr. Peter Pocock wrote: > > At 11:24 AM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >In einer eMail vom 28.08.1997 07:43:08, schreiben Sie: > > > ><< Have we ever considered adding a FAQ list? > > > Hi, > > If someone is interested in gathering and organizing all of the information > for a Pipe Organ FAQ, I would be happy to make space available on > PipeChat's homepages to have the information available to everyone. >   Das is sehr nett. Viele Danke      
(back) Subject: Re: "the organ will play.... and it did" From: Bob Luderer <bobsled@nji.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:15:51 -0700   bruce cornely wrote: > > Richard Scott-Copeland and his disguised tunes reminds me of an organist > from my childhood who used to do the same thing. Must be something in > the communion wine! >   I Also like to disguise favorites such as "New York State of Mind", House of the Rising Sun, and Lighter Shade of Pale in addition to Trek & others. Its fun!, but whats better is if you get caught, because then people are REALLY listening to what you are doing. So far I haven't been found out by anyone but the Choir, who usually can tell I am going off on a tangent when a certain devilish smile crosses my face!   Regards, Bobby    
(back) Subject: <no subject>tunes From: Gary Black <gblack@bhsroe.k12.il.us> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:16:20 -0500   Talking about disguised tunes. Try playing the Doxology to the tune of Hernandos Hideaway. It always makes for a good time if church falls on April Fools Day. If people have favorite "tunes" that they like, see if they can be played or "worked into" the prelude and then see if anyone else notices. Ah! Sweet Mystery of Life is a good one to try. Happy playing. Gary  
(back) Subject: Re: Disguised Tunes From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:16:44 -0400   I once heard of an organist who played a (rather thinly) disguised arrangement of "Here Comes Petter Cottontail" for the postlude on Easter Sunday. The only reaction from the congregation was one compliment on the "nice, lively postlude."   2222222 2 George Greene, Senior Chemist 2222222 Analytical Research and Development 2 Abbott Laboratories, Ross Products Division 2222222 D104115-RP4-2 GGGGGGGG 625 Cleveland Avenue G Columbus, Ohio 43215 o G GGGG Voice 614-624-3362, FAX 614-624-7270 _`\ <._ G G George.Greene@RossNutrition.Com (_)/ (_) GGGGGGGG   ....and Organist, Church of the Nazarene, Sunbury, Ohio.  
(back) Subject: Re: Disguised Tunes From: "Richard Scott-Copeland" <organist@interalpha.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:45:05 +0100         > > I once heard of an organist who played a (rather thinly) disguised arrangement > of "Here Comes Petter Cottontail" for the postlude on Easter Sunday. The only > reaction from the congregation was one compliment on the "nice, lively > postlude." >   Another little trick you can play (if you are extremely bored!) is to play a famous tune, which is not too rhythmically familiar, and cross your hands (and feet too if you are a clever clogs!) and play the treble clef with the right hand in the bass area and the bass clef in the treble area! This fools everybody, even the ones looking out for something because they say "I thought I detected a snippet of ............ but I don't think you managed to get it quite right, however".......... .......Ultimately, you have the last laugh, even if only to yourself!   Another ditty..... I know an organist who, having fallen out with the vicar at his church, was ultimately sacked, but not before working his notice. His last voluntary was, yes you guessed, The War March of the Priests.   Oh Joy!!   Richard Scott-Copeland  
(back) Subject: The Ruffatti organ at the Davies Symphony Hall From: "Richard Scott-Copeland" <organist@interalpha.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:52:52 +0100   Dear all     Does anyone have any information or the specification of the organ at the above venue. I have an excellent CD of this instrument played by Michael Murray, but I have seached th 'net in vain to find anything out about the instrument. I have been to the Ruffatti net address and even the Symphony Hall does not give any details of the organ. I shall probably never hear it in the flesh, but should still like to know more about it. The Jongen Symphonie Concertante sounds electrifying on this organ.   Thanks     Richard Scott-Copeland  
(back) Subject: Re: The Ruffatti organ at the Davies Symphony Hall From: Rick Williams <Rick@netlink.nlink.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:56:23 -0500   I will check and see if I have a program from a few years ago when I attended a concert there. Unfortunately, I moved from CA to MN since attending. The organ truly is spectacular in person.   >>> "Richard Scott-Copeland" <organist@interalpha.co.uk> 08/28/97 02:52PM >>> Dear all     Does anyone have any information or the specification of the organ at the above venue. I have an excellent CD of this instrument played by Michael Murray, but I have seached th 'net in vain to find anything out about the instrument. I have been to the Ruffatti net address and even the Symphony Hall does not give any details of the organ. I shall probably never hear it in the flesh, but should still like to know more about it. The Jongen Symphonie Concertante sounds electrifying on this organ.   Thanks     Richard Scott-Copeland   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: <no subject>tunes From: Shirley <pnst@voicenet.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:37:38   At 13:16 08/28/97 -0500, you wrote: > If people have favorite "tunes" that they like, see if >they can be played or "worked into" the prelude and then see if anyone >else notices. Ah! Sweet Mystery of Life is a good one to try. >Happy playing. Gary     I won't bore the list with the story again, but the "Mickey Mouse" theme still remains my alltime favorite to receive this kind of treatment. :D   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: "the organ will play.... and it did" From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:27:44 -0500 (CDT)   A friend of mine who was the Organ Scholar at an Oxford College once managed to fool the Director of Music of his college by playing a fake piece as a voluntary. He got a friend with some skill in composing to write a chorale prelude in the style of J. S. Bach with the melody very slowly and disguised by ornamentation as a Cantus Firmus in the Pedal. The melody was "The teddy bears picnic" and the voluntary was put down on the service sheet as "Choralvorspiel: Der Baarpupschen essen", with a fictitious BWV number. The Director of Music fell for it hook, line and sinker and even said, "You know I haven't heard that one for years; I think I must go home and look it up." They then made the mistake of telling him what it really was, and he was not pleased to have been made to look foolish.   John    
(back) Subject: '97 ATOS Convention From: Lawrence W Nevel <lnwbpa@sunlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:30:57 -0500   Dear Readers, I will ask this again. Did anyone attend the ATOS convention this summer. I would love to hear any personal comments on what you observed/heard. I have never been to one and would like to attend one someday but as of now, being a home-owner with work needing to be done, I have not had the bucks to attend a convention. It may be several months until the Theatre Organ magazine runs the details. How about it? Did anyone attend and care to share their experiences? Please, I'm not looking for any flaming! Thanks, Larry  
(back) Subject: Re: Disguised Tunes From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:37:19 -0500 (CDT)   At 08:45 PM 8/28/97 +0100, Richard Scott-Copland wrote:   I know an organist who, having fallen out with the vicar >at his church, was ultimately sacked, but not before working his notice. >His last voluntary was, yes you guessed, The War March of the Priests.   In July I attended the General Convention of the Episcopal Church in Philadelphia, where one highlight was a Eucharist attended by 9,000 people at which the Archbishop of Canterbury preached. For the first time in twelve years all the diocesan and assistant bishops from all 113 dioceses of the Episcopal Church, together with numerous visiting prelates from other parts of the Anglican communion, vested and processed at the beginning and end of the service. Quite a fine sight. And guess what well known march by Mendelssohn the organist played while they were processing out ... (No, I'm not kidding!)   John      
(back) Subject: Re: Disguised tunes From: Tom Jones <tomj@netpath.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:47:46 -0400   My compliments, list; I'm a new subscriber. Improvising on disguised tunes has brought me a lot of pleasure at times. Once between services at a small Episcopal church, the rector's assistant, a divinity school student, asked facetiously whether I could play the theme to "Green Acres" on the calliope that served as our organ. I played the opening for him (da da - dada da - DAH DAH), and he doubled over in laughter. I told him I'd play the whole thing during communion at the next service, and of course he thought I was joking. But I said I was really going to, and he didn't know what to make of it. When the time came, I improvised on it, disguising it well. He could recognize the tune because he was expecting it. No one else could, so I didn't get fired. But even if I had, the sight of him trying to keep his composure while serving the chalice--repeating reverently "The blood of Christ which was shed for you"--would almost have been worth it. In the subsequent weeks, he would tell me before services what he wanted me to improvise on, usually some TV theme. Some years later, in a different time and place, I had a girlfriend who watched the soap opera "All My Children" religiously. I asked her one day whether she would like for me to play the theme to that at evensong. Her reaction, of course, was incredulity. But I insisted I would play it. And that evening, I did so while the choir was coming in (she sang in the choir, so it was about the first thing she heard when she entered the church). Of course, again it was well-disguised. But just as before, it led to her presenting me with requests for tunes to improvise on, and we had a good time with it. There's a story I heard when I first became interested in the organ. I never knew when and where it happened, and I don't even know whether it's true. But it seems an organist caught sight of a parishoner with an outlandish hat coming into church one Sunday, and he worked the song "Where'd You Get That Hat?" into his improvisation. But he didn't do it too well: The song was recognized, and he was fired. I guess the moral is be careful!   Regards,   Tom