PipeChat Digest #151 - Tuesday, December 2, 1997
 
Gospel or hearsay?
  by Carmen & Jim Clinch <allen@ion.com.au>
Re: Gospel or hearsay?
  by Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net>
Re: Pavlova
  by Mark Huth <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Christmas Social (Cross posted)
  by Steven Margison <mgcfngrs@ameritech.net>
Re:  PipeChat Digest #133 - 11/15/97
  by <ZieglerBob@aol.com>
eek...
  by JILLIAN SCHULTHEIS <organgeek@geocities.com>
Midi Pedalboard
  by Bruce Behnke <behnke@isat.com>
Newbie on list
  by Bass, Bill <bbass@LibertyCorp.com>
Re: Newbie on list
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Newbie on list
  by Jon C. Habermaas <joncharles@ameritech.net>
Re: Gospel or hearsay?
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
Re: Newbie on list
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
Re: eek...
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Re: eek...
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: eek...
  by Nelson and Tracy Denton <ndenton434@bigwave.ca>
Re: eek...
  by Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
 


(back) Subject: Gospel or hearsay? From: Carmen & Jim Clinch <allen@ion.com.au> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 21:04:53 +1000   Hi pipechatters,   I have followed recently a series of events on the list which gave me cause for concern. A young enthusiast expressed his frustration with (among other things) the price of his "dream machine". It surprised me that no-one questioned the price which was quoted. Neither did our friend quote the price of the two manual model which he saw. We don't know exactly which model/s he saw and whether any options were involved. The figure which was thrown around even caused one respondant to question the sanity of Allen Organ Company. I wonder how many people who read this list, believe without question, the information given. I sell Allen organs here in sunny Queensland Australia. (Today a pleasant 29degrees C on the Gold Coast) Even with the very sad rate of exchange between the USA and Australia at present I could sell a three manual, draw knob Allen classical organ for much,much less than $100,000. A two manual AGO Protege for under $20,000 including our sales tax. There are times when we should question information AND look further than the basics. Having said that................. Could I have some feedback please on prices of concert tickets in various places. In south east Queensland we seem to suffer from a "poor" mentality in the organ world. The management of the organ clubs have an attitude of,"People can't/wont pay more than $6-$8/person for an organ concert." Is that correct??? Thanks. Jim Clinch.    
(back) Subject: Re: Gospel or hearsay? From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 08:49:46 -0500 (EST)   On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Carmen & Jim Clinch wrote: > There are times when we should question information AND look further > than the basics.   I don't know what prices for electronics are in this area (Metro New York, USA). I live in Northern NJ and I have yet to even find a dealer with a showroom anywhere in the area (hint, hint -- help would be appreciated). I read that note and my only though was that the store was trying to rip people off in a big way. It's important to be educated when you buy -- almost anything. We could have spent almost $400 on the VCR we recently purchased, but because we did our homework we paid $270.   > Having said that................. > Could I have some feedback please on prices of concert tickets in > various places. In south east Queensland we seem to suffer from a "poor" > mentality in the organ world. The management of the organ clubs have an > attitude of,"People can't/wont pay more than $6-$8/person for an organ > concert." Is that correct???   I pay a $10 donation for concerts at the local Cathedral in Newark, NJ. I think it's a bit high, but the turnout is usually around 100 people or more, so it seems that they are quite willing to pay the $10 to hear the concert. Naturally, I much prefer free concerts, and I almost always give a donation after the concert anyway (the $10 is a "suggested" donation, but there are a couple of guys at the front door to "suggest" you pay it ;) ). In my experience the money always goes towards an organ fund of some kind, so I consider it worth it to preserve a good instrument.   At Trinity Church in Copley square, the Friday afternoon 1/2 hour concerts are free with a suggested donation of $2.   -Adam Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online!_/ "You can't trample infidels when http://zen.advance.net/~alevin/_______/ you're a tortoise. I mean, all you <*> __________________________/ could do is give them a meaningful look." -O /    
(back) Subject: Re: Pavlova From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:49:16 PDT     > At 07:21 11/28/97 -0500, Bob Conway wrote:   > >Castor Sugar is known in North America as Fruit Sugar. It is simply sugar > >that is a finer grind than regular sugar.   Shirley replied:   > Ah, but isn't fruit sugar fructose, and regular sugar sucrose, two > different sugar sources entirely? Which brings us back to ground zero.   Yes, you're right Shirley, fructose (fruit sugar) is different that sucrose (table sugar). A bit of trivia which the list may find interesting is that our sense of taste perceives fructose to be about four times sweeter than sucrose.   In other words, if you use fructose as a sweetener, you can get the same effect with about 25% of the calories.   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instrument Corporation mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgerscorp.com   If white wine goes with fish, do white grapes go with sushi?    
(back) Subject: Christmas Social (Cross posted) From: Steven Margison <mgcfngrs@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 13:41:15 -0600   The Chicagoland Theatre Organ Society (an ATOS chapter) will host an informal Christmas Social at the Tivoli Theatre, Downers Grove, IL., on Sunday, December 14th at 10:30AM. Your humble emailer (me!) will be the featured performer on the 3/10 "John Muri" WurliTzer. All are welcome, member or not. There will be no admission charge. My program will include Christmas selections, show tunes, and old standards. Only well-known and well-loved music will be performed -- nothing obscure! There will be minor refreshments as this is a social gathering, not a full-blown concert event. Yes, we would like to attract new members to CTOS, but there will be no "hard selling" the point at this event. Come join us if you can! |===================== Steve Margison =====================| |=== Staff Organist, Tivoli Theatre, Downers Grove, IL. ===| |Organs, Theatres, Ham Radio, Lots of things at my WebSite:| |==== http://www.ameritech.net/users/mgcfngrs/home.htm ====|  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #133 - 11/15/97 From: ZieglerBob@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 15:17:05 -0500 (EST)     In a message dated 11/15/97 5:00:52 AM, you wrote:   >Subject: Re: Responses to job question >From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:48 -0500 > >Kenneth, >>depends upon which part of the water >>glass your looking at..... > >Optimist: the glass is half full >Pessimist: the glass is half empty >Realist: there's a crack in this damn glass!   And then there was: Engineer: too much glass!   Bob Ziegler zieglerbob@aol.com playing in the key of "off" in beautiful downtown Sauk Village, Illinois PS: I'm catching up on my mail.......    
(back) Subject: eek... From: JILLIAN SCHULTHEIS <organgeek@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 15:54:06 -0500   Ok, I am TOTALLY confused about this list thing. This is the first list i have ever been on. Can anyone help me?   Jillian  
(back) Subject: Midi Pedalboard From: Bruce Behnke <behnke@isat.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 97 13:02:01 -0000   Syncordia offers a 32 note AGO midi pedalboard for $2400 US or Canadian??? It comes with a bench and a built in sound module that offers 32, 16 8 and 4 in Principal, flute and various reed sounds. My information is about 18 months old.   Bruce  
(back) Subject: Newbie on list From: "Bass, Bill" <bbass@LibertyCorp.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:04:31 -0500   Hi, I'm a newcomer to this list. I have been lurking for about a week and find much of the discussion very interesting. I have two questions I would like to pose to the list.   1) For several years now I have searched for recordings of Christmas music on pipe organ, but have found only one so far, performed by Virgil Fox, it is an older recording and suffers from poor recording quality. I have found two or three others performed on electronic organs, but I would really like to find something performed on a large pipe organ. Any suggestions?   2) I am interested in attempting to build a small pipe organ myself for personal satisfaction. I have a two volume book titled "The Art of Organ Building" by Audsley. It is a reprint of a publication from the early 1800's I think (sorry, I am at work now and can't recall the Authors full name or the publication date). It has a tremendous amount of information in it, but much of the specifics of materials and techniques is very dated. Can anyone suggest similar but more recent publications to augment this text. I would also be very interested in any suggestions from others who have built or restored pipe organs.   Thanks, Bill Bass  
(back) Subject: Re: Newbie on list From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:14:46 -0500   Bill, welcome. The type of organ (theatre, classic, practice -- mechanical, electric, etc.) has a relationship to the books you might want. Any ideas yet about the concept of your home instrument??   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Newbie on list From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <joncharles@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 18:27:40 -0600   Bass, Bill wrote: > > Hi, > I'm a newcomer to this list. I have been lurking for about a week and > find much of the discussion very interesting. I have two questions I > would like to pose to the list. > > 1) For several years now I have searched for recordings of Christmas > music on pipe organ, but have found only one so far, performed by Virgil > Fox, it is an older recording and suffers from poor recording quality. > I have found two or three others performed on electronic organs, but I > would really like to find something performed on a large pipe organ. > Any suggestions? > > 2) I am interested in attempting to build a small pipe organ myself for > personal satisfaction. I have a two volume book titled "The Art of > Organ Building" by Audsley. It is a reprint of a publication from the > early 1800's I think (sorry, I am at work now and can't recall the > Authors full name or the publication date). It has a tremendous amount > of information in it, but much of the specifics of materials and > techniques is very dated. Can anyone suggest similar but more recent > publications to augment this text. I would also be very interested in > any suggestions from others who have built or restored pipe organs. > > Thanks, > Bill Bass > >Welcome aboard. Christmas organ music. Contact Organ Historical Society and get their latest catalog. They usually have a decent offering on Christmas CD's. I know there is a Lyn Larson Christmas album and there is one I kinda like called "Christmas Island " which was recorded on the Page organ in the Avalon Casino theatre. OHS has a web page you can check out. Also check out the theatre organ home page and the organ clearing house. Try to find a small organ listed for sale. You didn't mention whether your partial to theatre or classical organ. If theatre organ is your interest find a organ group in your area. There are few in every group who can help you learn more about the beasts. Something that might be more useful than the Audsley is Wm H Barnes "The Comtemporary American Organ". This is available through OHS. Hope some of this helps. I'm currently installing my second home organ, a small WurliTzer theatre organ. Hope you have alot of time and patience and are not too much of a clutz.     Good luck,   Jon C. Habermaas  
(back) Subject: Re: Gospel or hearsay? From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:30:52 -0500 (EST)   >Could I have some feedback please on prices of concert tickets in >various places. In south east Queensland we seem to suffer from a "poor" >mentality in the organ world. The management of the organ clubs have an >attitude of,"People can't/wont pay more than $6-$8/person for an organ >concert." Is that correct??? >Thanks. Jim Clinch.   Here around Augusta, Georgia, people regularly pay $10 and $15 for single tickets to concerts, and invest well over $100 for series tickets (this is at St. Paul's Episcopal). This church is usually packed for concerts, which have recently included (in the last year): Gerre Hancock, Dr. Scott Bennett (a lister, at least for some while), and Richard Morris on Hallowe'en. There will be more to come (Matt Curlee in January, Stewart Wayne Foster sometime soon, and Keith Shafer I imagine will be doing another one, as it's his church) which I am sure will fill the church again. I don't know how well other venues in Augusta do, but I imagine they could pull in a good many of the people who attend the St. Paul's concerts while still charging a respectable admission.   _____ | |_____ | || |_____ |Stephen || |_____ ______|F.P. Karr| || |_____ ______ |o o || || || || || |_____ | o o| | o o||Student Organist || || |_____ |o o | |o o || || || || || || || | | o o| | o o||Organist and Director of Music, | |o o | |o o || Bethlehem Lutheran Church|| | | o o| | o o|| || || || || || || | |o o | |o o || Aiken, SC || || || || | | o o| | o o| \ / \ / \U/ \S/ \A/ \ / \ / |o o | |o o | V V V V V V V | o o| | o o|_____________________________________|o o | |o o || E E | E E E | E E | E E E | E E | || o o| | o o||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_||o o |    
(back) Subject: Re: Newbie on list From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:44:35 -0500 (EST)   >1) For several years now I have searched for recordings of Christmas music on >pipe organ, but have found only one so far, performed by Virgil Fox, it is an >older recording and suffers from poor recording quality. I have found two or three >others performed on electronic organs, but I would really like to find something >performed on a large pipe organ. Any suggestions?   My teacher, Keith Shafer, has two CD's of Christmas organ music, both recorded on Casavants. The first (I forget the title) was recorded at St. Anne's Episcopal in Tifton, GA, and it was sampled on Pipedreams last January, the "follow the star" program, with Richard Purvis's "March of the Three Kings." The second was recorded very recently on the newly rebuilt op. 2900 Casavant at St. Paul's Episcopal in Augusta, GA. It includes a Daquin Noel, but I'm not quite sure what else. I can give you the contact address if you're interested.   _____ | |_____ | || |_____ |Stephen || |_____ ______|F.P. Karr| || |_____ ______ |o o || || || || || |_____ | o o| | o o||Student Organist || || |_____ |o o | |o o || || || || || || || | | o o| | o o||Organist and Director of Music, | |o o | |o o || Bethlehem Lutheran Church|| | | o o| | o o|| || || || || || || | |o o | |o o || Aiken, SC || || || || | | o o| | o o| \ / \ / \U/ \S/ \A/ \ / \ / |o o | |o o | V V V V V V V | o o| | o o|_____________________________________|o o | |o o || E E | E E E | E E | E E E | E E | || o o| | o o||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_||o o |    
(back) Subject: Re: eek... From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 20:08:56 -0500     >Jillian,   OKay, This is how it works:   If you send an e-mail to 'pipechat@pipechat.org', It will automatically send your message to the main 'computer' and divert the message to the other e-mail addresses that are listed in the files. All you do is type your message and send it to the address and people reply to it either privatly (to your e-mail address straight from their's and not by the list) or theought the list (the 'main computer' way). Then, when you sign back on your e-mail (whatever it is) you will automatically be downloaded all the messages that people send to the list. You will not recieve 'pipechat@pipechat.org' as the address that sent them to you. Instead, you will be given the address of the person that wrote it.   Got It?   If anything else you need, just e-mail me privatly, or by the 'list'.   Don't worry, You'll get it!     Jason Comet Krummhorn8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: eek... From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 21:54:22   At 15:54 12/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >Ok, I am TOTALLY confused about this list thing. This is the first list >i have ever been on. Can anyone help me? > >Jillian     Jillian, to reach the list owners, just write to admin@pipechat.org with any questions you may have, and owners Pete and Dave will see that your questions are answered.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: eek... From: Nelson and Tracy Denton <ndenton434@bigwave.ca> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 21:23:23   At 03:54 PM 12/1/97 -0500, you wrote: >Ok, I am TOTALLY confused about this list thing. This is the first list >i have ever been on. Can anyone help me? > >Jillian >   Hang in there you'll catch on. :-)))   to send a message just put " pipechat@pipechat.org " ( or whomever you are replying to) in the " To " spot and your subject of your message in the " Subject" spot. the just type away in the Bottom spot. when your done click "send"   That's all there is to it. ( you have already got that part down ok. Jillian)   In seconds your message will have been passed along the internet to thousands of people around the world who like to read about pipe organs etc..   Don't worry about your spellin' ur yer grammar. We don't care to much avbout that. :-))   Never hesitate to ask questions, the only dumb questions are the ones that people never ask.   The topics on this list generally revolve around organs but we do get carried away with other topics at times. The only major rules on this list are that you keep previous quotations to a minimum and no "fowl" language or nasty replys to other' s messages. Unless they deserve it ( right gang?) ooopsssyy that's the other list! ;-)))   The list members are Organ builders, Organists, Organ lovers, and Wannabee's and a good deal of others who don't know what an organ is but want to learn about them anyways.   The bottom of this message will contain info about the list etc. and the web pages for the list. This is added automaticly to all messages.     Nelson ( a subscriber to 10+ lists and a 200 emails a day junkie) and "the class clown"     Nelson E. Denton R. A. Denton and Son Pipe Organ Builders Hamilton Ontario Canada  
(back) Subject: Re: eek... From: Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 02:21:39 -0500   Message text written by PipeChat >Nelson ( a subscriber to 10+ lists and a 200 emails a day junkie) and "t= he >class clown"   Nelson, How do you do it? I am up to only five lists and average 100 emails a day. I spent a big part of my day off today trying to sort through 1000=   saved messages. I was deleting folders without looking too closely at their contents. Just when I thought a 12-step program was in order your response to "Re: eek..." arrived. I know now I could definitely hand= le at least five, maybe ten more lists, no problem. Do you have any ideas on managing the volume of information? This would give me more time to [here comes the organic part] practice the organ. =   Gotta go. I have an urge to click the "Get Mail" button. =   Kurt Kehler York, PA