PipeChat Digest #154 - Thursday, December 4, 1997 Re: Organ Videos by <Ronnymn@aol.com> Re: Organ Videos by David Scribner <firstname.lastname@example.org> re: organ videos by Jon C. Habermaas <email@example.com> Re: eek... - I need a life BAD! - REAL BAD!! by Vernon Moeller <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Organ Videos by Bass, Bill <bbass@LibertyCorp.com> Piano Question by robert.cowley <robert.cowley@MCI2000.com> Re: Organ Videos by Mac Hayes <email@example.com> Organ inquiry--Pasadena CA by bruce cornely <firstname.lastname@example.org> Getting off the subject! by Jason D Comet <email@example.com> Thanks everyone :) by JILLIAN SCHULTHEIS <firstname.lastname@example.org> Pedal Tone Generators by Anderson W. Wacaser <email@example.com> Re: Back from Boston (crossposted piporg and pipechat) by BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Re: Newbie on list by BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Re: MIDI stuff by BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Re: Newbie on list by BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Re: Gospel or hearsay? by BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Re: Thanks everyone :) by BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos by BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Heads up - 12/22 - Felix M + Pulling All the Stops by Patricia R. Maimone <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Videos From: Ronnymn@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:25:40 -0500 (EST) OHS (the Organ Historical Society) catalogue offers a number of videos which you probably would be interested in. I know they are on the net, but I dont have their address saved. Someone will probably give it to you, or you could search it out.
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Videos From: David Scribner <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 07:58:18 -0600 >OHS (the Organ Historical Society) catalogue offers a number of videos which >you probably would be interested in. I know they are on the net, but I dont >have their address saved. Someone will probably give it to you, or you could >search it out. > Unfortunately, OHS does not have a web presence as of yet. Their web site has been under development for some time now but is not up and running as of yet, I just checked the URL. Hopefully, it will be going rather soon. David ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: re: organ videos From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:42:38 -0600 FYI: Organ Historical Society Box 26811 Richmond, Va. 23261 (804) 353-9226 Just in case someone wants to snail mail them. regards, Jon C. Habermaas
(back) Subject: Re: eek... - I need a life BAD! - REAL BAD!! From: Vernon Moeller <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:44:03 -0600 Judy A. Ollikkala <email@example.com> wrote: >You have time to play games on computer??? > Did somebody say the word 'games'? Over the past couple of years, my boys and I have enjoyed Doom and Quake, and have downloaded dozens of take-offs written for those games by amateur game writers. Right now, we are working our way through Magic Carpet II, where you use your mouse to fly, but you don't have to worry about bumping into things like mountains or buildings. Just avoid the manticores when you can. If it wasn't for games, my 12-yr-old son would hardly speak to me - he doesn't consider being a church organist to be very manly, like being a hockey player, but he still looks up to me because I can remember most of the hidden areas on Doom and Quake. As for my other son, he can remember all the cheat codes for just about any game we've ever played on the PC - it's just his multiplication tables that give him fits. ;-) Blowing away a demon with a rocket launcher is a lot healthier, IMHO, than getting steamed up over critics in the congregation. Just picture old Mrs Rigsby's face on that caco-demon in the corner before you let 'er have it! \/\/\
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Videos From: "Bass, Bill" <bbass@LibertyCorp.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:58:11 -0500 snip- >I am trying to find videos that have been released on the history of the >organ--documentary style... If anyone has a lead on such, I would also be very interested. Thanks, Bill Bass
(back) Subject: Piano Question From: "robert.cowley" <robert.cowley@MCI2000.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:06:36 -0800 Does anyone know who made the action for a "M. Schultz, Co." out of Chicago, Ill. Baby Grand Piano? Also, I believe this piano was built around 1927, if anyone has any books on this, here is the Serial No. #200514. THANKS! Bob Cowley
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Videos From: Mac Hayes <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:33:01 -0800 Bass, Bill wrote: > snip- > >I am trying to find videos that have been released on the history of > the organ--documentary style... > > If anyone has a lead on such, I would also be very interested. > > Bill Bass Hi list, I guess I might as well post this for ALL to see: Howard Goodall's "Life & Times of the King of Instruments" is the best I've seen; great closeup sound of old trackers, casting pipe metal, voicing a new pipe, Spanish trumpets, theatre organs, the whole range-- lots of music. It starts with the earliest known organ, gives in-depth coverage of European historical organs; also shows several outstanding US organs. It was originally presented on British TV (Channel 4). I got my copy from Allen Organ: http://www.allenorgan.com/ -- from the homepage you will find links for what they offer. It is 29.95 plus S&H, and well worth it in my opinion. The opening sequence is of an Allen Theatre organ, and near the end of the 95 min. tape there is demonstrated a blindfold comparison test of a large pipe organ with an equivalent Allen digital instrument; on the whole Allen was extremely discreet about plugging their product. -- Mac Hayes email@example.com TANSTAAFL
(back) Subject: Organ inquiry--Pasadena CA From: firstname.lastname@example.org (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:50:59 -0500 I have just received a brochure on the Friends of Music Series at Pasadena Presbyterian Church, P CA, "Classics in the City". The photograph on the brochure makes the building and organ look quite impressive. I was curious to know more about the organ. Anyone have some spare time??? bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o
(back) Subject: Getting off the subject! From: email@example.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:16:06 -0500 Here we go again! Getting off the subject with """"""""EEK"""""""" and trying to remind you all that you will have the administartors fingers sore from typing somany messeges. Just a Warning!!!!! Not trying to put anyone down!!!!! I know, It's irresistable to talk about something else.
(back) Subject: Thanks everyone :) From: JILLIAN SCHULTHEIS <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:38:46 -0500 I think I have figured out how this thing works. :) Now that I know how it works, it is time to use it! (Just like organs, eh?) I am just so absolutely excited because at the end of the month, my parents are buying me a 2 manual Conn theater organ! It is electronic with the colored tabs and horse shoe console. It has full pedalboard, (26 notes) and LOTS of neat traps! We just put on a new addition to our house, which will become the music room. I have been playing the organ for aprox. 6 years, but have only been taking lessons 3 months. I also sing and play flute. I am just starting on organ design and other stuff. I need to go study for a science test. Will write more later... Jillian K.
(back) Subject: Pedal Tone Generators From: "Anderson W. Wacaser" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:33:08 -0800 There has been a lot of discussion of electronics and elec/pipe combinations over the past few weeks. Regardless of relative merits,as a practical matter, I would like to add two 16' extensions to my residence theatre pipe organ but lack the room. Does anyone have experience with pedal tone generators, either analog or digital/midi and can make a recommendation? Would greatly appreciate any thoughts on the subject. Thanks, AWW
(back) Subject: Re: Back from Boston (crossposted piporg and pipechat) From: BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:39:13 -0500 Adam Levin wrote: > > Well, I've returned from my trip to Boston with some good stuff. > > We got there Wednesday evening and didn't do anything organic, so I won't > into that. > > On Thursday morning we woke up early to take the T into Boston -- we had to > get to the Mother Church of Christ, Scientist by 9:45 to catch the prelude. > I had never been to the Church, which unfortunately was mostly closed for > the holiday. The organ is really impressive right up over the podium -- > wow. The sound was wonderful, although is seems like the acoustics of the > auditorium aren't great. The prelude consisted of the first movement of > Bach's A minor concerto and then Largo (Handel? Haydn? I can't remember > now). The first hymn was Now Thank We All Our God. > > Unfortunately, around there they asked us to leave. My daughter was > babbling a bit, as 2 year olds are wont to do, and this apparently > disturbed them. I was quite disappointed, but I also didn't want to > disturb the solo coming up, so we left without hearing the postlude. > > That was all of the organic stuff for Thursday. > > Friday was the big day, though. Judy Ollikkala came from Worcester (well, > Fitchburg, actually) and picked us up at the motel. We took the T into > Copley square. First we wandered through the FestivalOrgan exhibit at the > Boston Public Library. Go see it if you can. Not only is there some great > information on the history and construction of the organ (including models, > cross-sections and mock-ups), but there's a hands-on exhibit. They have a > one-octave three rank tracker in a clear box set up so that you can see all > of the slider chest and tracker mechanisms work. Then they have a huge box > with dozens of different types of pipes (trumpet, cornet, diapason, > gemshorn, flute) -- you hit a button to hear the different sounds. Another > box compares principles of different metals. There's a small display > showing how electric key and stop action with 16', 4' and unison off > couplers work. Then, there's a comparison of electro-pneumatic vs. tracker > -- two keys in a clear box showing how the two mechanisms work so you can > compare how they feel. Oh, and I guess I should mention the bellows hooked > to the Casavant CCC 16' double open wood pipe that rumbles away in the > corner! Wow. :) > > After the exhibit we wandered across the street to look at the organ in the > Old South Church. No one was there, though, so we couldn't hear it and we > certainly couldn't play it, but what a beautiful building. > > We topped off our Boston segment at the 12:15 Trinity Church concert. > Stuart Forster from down under (now in the U.S., though) played a wonderful > concert: > Allegro Appassionato from Sonata No. 1 in C# min -- Basil Harwood > Andante con moto en sol mineur -- Alexandre Pierre Francois Boely > Imperial March -- Edward Elgar > Fantasia super Komm, Heiliger Geist -- J.S. Bach > Final from Symphonie III -- Louis Vierne > > What a wonderful instrument! American as apple pie. We sat in the back in > case my daughter acted up a bit. The last few pews are raised on a wood > step, and boy did it shake with the bass! Definitely worth the trip, and > Mr. Forster did an incredible job. > > After Trinity was lunch at a Thai restaurant near Boston University and > then off to Worcester. We were going to stop by Judy's church in > Southboro, but we didn't have the time. Instead we went right to St. > Joseph's church in Worcester where she was having a small concert the > following night. They're a French-Canadian church with a 28 rank (or was > it 38?) Casavant 3 manual. A friend of hers has the key and let us in, > locking the door behind us :). Judy went through her program, mostly > accompaniment, with my wife singing the Phantom pieces :). Then I got to > tootle around. Most of what I know is baroque (Bach, Handel and > Pachelbel), but the organ held its own even with only one mixture (a three > rank). With the proper coupling between the divisions, it sounded quite > good, and the 16' bourdon rumbled just like at the exhibit at the library! > Unfortunately, the Voix Humaine was recently redone and hasn't been voiced > yet, so it was unplayable. It's one of those "left hander pedal" organs -- > my teacher teaches on the 1929 Estey at his Lutheran church which has stop > tabs over the top manual instead of stop knobs. For the pedal, the only > really usable registration is to take your left hand and whap the entire > division on :). The church is wonderfully resonant, though, and it was > very exciting to play in such a large space on a wonderful-sounding > instrument. We even got a taste of Mr. Lampert's nemesis when Judy hit the > trems and played some theatre selections :) :) :)! > > After that, it was over to Judy's house for a quick look at her pump organ > -- she found it in a barn (a well-kept barn) and picked it up cheap. It's > got 2 1/2 ranks -- diapason treble and bass, principle 4 full compass and > half-rank dulciana. One manual and a pump pedal. It's actually in quite > good condition considering its age -- 1828 I think it was. She let me play > it -- what fun! A few small leaks and one or two ciphers, but overall a > rather nice sound. > > As a souvenir Judy gave me a broken Casavant pipe -- a wooden 8' bourdon, > C# -- about 14" not including the bottom tube (don't know the technical > name, but it's about 6" long -- that's the part that had broken off). I > fit it together like a puzzle piece, and with a little wood glue it's as > good as new and actually in tune. So, I've officially started my home > organ project with one pipe! Hey, Judy, if you've got any more broken > pipes, I'll be glad to glue 'em up! :) > > After dinner at a Japanese restaurant near her home, she drove us back to > the motel. > > Overall, both my wife and I (and, I daresay, my daughter) had a wonderful > time. We really got a taste of some nifty organs, and I plan on catching > more next time we go up there (probably around Christmas). I'll definitely > be joining Judy for some of her organ crawls next year. > > I hope everyone else has had a good holiday break and weekend on all sides > of the globe. > > Keep piping! > > Take care, > -Adam > Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online! _/ "Do you know, humans think the > http://zen.advance.net/~alevin/________/ world was made by a sort of big > <*> __________________________/ human?" "Get away?" "It took a week." > -O / "I expect it had some help, then." > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Sounds like a great time. Have you listened to the organ at ST. John's or Riverside in NYC. They are fantastic. Seems like they always need a little work,or just had something repaired and can't utilize all stops, huh
(back) Subject: Re: Newbie on list From: BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:42:26 -0500 Adam Levin wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Bass, Bill wrote: > > I'm a newcomer to this list. I have been lurking for about a week and > > find much of the discussion very interesting. I have two questions I > > would like to pose to the list. > > Welcome! > > > 1) For several years now I have searched for recordings of Christmas > > music on pipe organ, but have found only one so far, performed by Virgil > > Fox, it is an older recording and suffers from poor recording quality. > > I have found two or three others performed on electronic organs, but I > > would really like to find something performed on a large pipe organ. > > Any suggestions? > > With or without choir? I'm not sure about without, but I know that there > are dozens with choir. At our local Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred > Heart in Newark, NJ, they've got a CD or two for sale of the IV/154 > Schantz with choir. When I stopped in at Trinity Church in Copley Sq, > Boston, they also had a CD of choir+organ Christmas music. Both are quite > good. I don't know if they're available through the mail, though. > > Also, check out the Organ Historical Society (good info at > http://www.teleport.com/~wkrueger/ohs.shtml) and Gothic Recordings > (http://www.tneorg.com/gothic/). > > Hope this helps. > > -Adam > > Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online!_/ what happens is, I gets hold of 'un > http://zen.advance.net/~alevin/_______/ and smacks 'un between the eyes with > <*> __________________________/ a hammer...and then I whispers in his ear, I > -O / sez 'Cross me...and I'll have thy goolies on t'anvil, thou knows I can.' > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com There is a CD out called a Virgin Fox Christmas. It is excellent quality and does not suffer from the background noises of older recordings. There is also a tape out called Joy to the World by Virgil Fox. It too is excellent. After listening to him, I find it difficult to enjoy other tapes.
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI stuff From: BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:48:50 -0500 Bob Luderer wrote: > > Does anybody have any familiarity with PC Notebooks, I have a TI 565CD > which shows a MIDI out port on my music software, but there is no > joystick port on the thing for me to hook up the MIDI adapter to. Does > anybody know if I can get an adapter and go through a serial or LPT > port. > > thanks! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Yes, you should be able to get a midi adapter at your local hardware/software supplier.
(back) Subject: Re: Newbie on list From: BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:47:52 -0500 Bass, Bill wrote: > > Thanks for the responses to my questions! I now have leads on a number > of Christmas CD's that I will follow up on. I also will obtain a copy > of Wm. H Barnes "The Contemporary American Organ". Additional > suggestions on both topics are still welcome. > > I also suppose I should have included a little more info about myself in > my first posting, sorry. > > I live in the Greenville, South Carolina, USA area (anyone nearby raise > your hand!). Although I wish very much that I could, I cannot play the > organ myself (but I can drool over a console with the best of 'em). I > passionately enjoy classical organ music (Bach, Widor, Frank, etc.) and > I have been fascinated with the instruments themselves since I was a > small child. Since I cannot play, the instrument I would like to build > would require digital/MIDI operation, but I do not want to synthesize > the sound, I want to build real pipes. > > Now I need someone to cure me of my ignorance. What is the difference > between classical and theater organ (I AM NOT AN ANIMAL! :-))? > > Thanks, > Bill Bass > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com I am sure that I do not have the entire answer, but my understanding of theatre organ is that it depends fairly heavily on the vox humana and tibia stops. Classical organ, or church organ uses primarily principals in plenum style, flutes and reed stops. It was also considered okay to use tremulant on the theatre organ. Whereas, most classical organists, with the exception of a few of us rebels, do not use tremulant at anytime unless "a deacon dies". For the record, I have used tremulant with full organ and with a church full of people singing, and have gotten good results. Don't want to it all time though.
(back) Subject: Re: Gospel or hearsay? From: BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:53:25 -0500 Carmen & Jim Clinch wrote: > > Hi pipechatters, > > I have followed recently a series of events on the list which gave me > cause for concern. > A young enthusiast expressed his frustration with (among other things) > the price of his "dream machine". > It surprised me that no-one questioned the price which was quoted. > Neither did our friend quote the price of the two manual model which he > saw. We don't know exactly which model/s he saw and whether any options > were involved. The figure which was thrown around even caused one > respondant to question the sanity of Allen Organ Company. > I wonder how many people who read this list, believe without question, > the information given. > I sell Allen organs here in sunny Queensland Australia. (Today a > pleasant 29degrees C on the Gold Coast) Even with the very sad rate of > exchange between the USA and Australia at present I could sell a three > manual, draw knob Allen classical organ for much,much less than > $100,000. A two manual AGO Protege for under $20,000 including our sales > tax. > There are times when we should question information AND look further > than the basics. > Having said that................. > Could I have some feedback please on prices of concert tickets in > various places. In south east Queensland we seem to suffer from a "poor" > mentality in the organ world. The management of the organ clubs have an > attitude of,"People can't/wont pay more than $6-$8/person for an organ > concert." Is that correct??? > Thanks. Jim Clinch. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org I just gotten involved with this group. However, I am an Allen user. I just received quotes on a two manual Allen that is in the $20,000.00 range and the three manual from $33,000-$52,000.00. These prices are for the console only. They do not include speakers, installtion of speakers in the church, or any additional channels that may be required for addition to a present system. You may want to try Ludwig-Aeoleon in Earth City Missouri
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks everyone :) From: BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 14:58:04 -0500 JILLIAN SCHULTHEIS wrote: > > I think I have figured out how this thing works. :) Now that I know how > it works, it is time to use it! (Just like organs, eh?) I am just so > absolutely excited because at the end of the month, my parents are > buying me a 2 manual Conn theater organ! It is electronic with the > colored tabs and horse shoe console. It has full pedalboard, (26 notes) > and LOTS of neat traps! We just put on a new addition to our house, > which will become the music room. > I have been playing the organ for aprox. 6 years, but have only > been > taking lessons 3 months. I also sing and play flute. I am just starting > on organ design and other stuff. > I need to go study for a science test. Will write more later... > > Jillian K. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:email@example.com Only one thing to say, Jill LUCKY
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos From: BALD1 <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 15:03:24 -0500 Joyce Weaver wrote: > > >Although I am not fond of electronics, I can see the sales > possibility of > >a basic pipe organ with 32 and maybe even 16 foot sounds coming from > >electronics as well as a battery of exotic reeds. My concern would be > how > >well do the electronics and speakers age. Would the sound still be > good > >say 15 to 20 years from now. > > > >Anybody have any experience with a beast like this. > > > > The First Congregational Church in Crystal Lake, IL has a fairly new > (featured in The Diapason within the last year) organ by a builder in > Champaign, IL (J.P. Buzard ??) which is all pipe except for the two > electronic 32 foot ranks. They are Peterson generators, if I remember > right, and are the same timbre at different volume levels. I believe I > was told that the installed cost was $8000 for the generators and > speakers. They work very well with the rest of the instrument. I > didn't see the speakers but seem to remember hearing that they were > bigger than 15" diameter. > > I've played it twice, and expect to play it again once or twice over > Christmas break. My teacher is a member of the church (he plays > elsewhere, the organist has been there a very long time) and can > occasionally arrange for me to play it. He claims that his motivation > for doing this is to keep me unhappy with electronic instruments :-). > > In terms of aging of speakers and electronics, that should be like any > electronic instrument. Very occasionally a part will go bad, > capacitors most often, and the suspension of the speaker cone will > probably decay with age. We've had to replace all the 15 inch speakers > in the Allen in our church but they lasted for 20 some years. We had 8 > of them, and Allen charged us $150 each. > > Loren Weaver > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: > mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Administration: mailto:email@example.com > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org Same here with the Allen in our church. We had 12 speakers that lasted for about 17 years. We replaced all of the speakers as well as the amplifiers. We didn't get by with 150.00 each. Ours were 450.00 for the cabinet models and 300+ for those that installed in the walls.
(back) Subject: Heads up - 12/22 - Felix M + Pulling All the Stops From: email@example.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 00:31:28 -0500 Greetings, one and all.. Peter Ustinov's Mendelssohn "Celebrates the life and work of one of Europe's most famous composers" at 8:00 PM Eastern Time on Monday, Dec. 22, on WNET, the PBS station in the New York area for almost 2 hours, it would appear... followed by a showing at 10 PM Eastern of "Pulling Out All The Stops.. Honors the pipe organ in America" for up to one hour.. Set your VCR's now... just in case you have a rehearsal... practice session.. or some holiday activity which might possibly interfere! Cheers... new starter for the car Monday.. new frame for glasses Wednesday.. .. Pat Maimone