PipeChat Digest #175 - Thursday, December 25, 1997
Re: Boston Pops Concert
  by Dr. Darryl Miller <OrganDok@safari.net>
Re: Boston Pops Concert
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: Boston Pops Concert
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
holiday office fun
  by Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net>
Re: Boston Pops Concert
  by Dan Emery <dptech@networx.on.ca>
Boston Pops (a response)
  by Charlie Jack 6-4479 <JACKC@CLIFFY.POLAROID.COM>
Test Message
  by Greg <klingler@IDT.NET>
Re: Boston Pops Concert
  by FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
jesse crwford recording
  by karl fischer <karl_der_kaiser@hotmail.com>
Recital -- Christmas Day 4 PM
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: jesse crwford recording
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>

(back) Subject: Re: Boston Pops Concert From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:43:33 -0500   Shirley wrote:   > There is marketability as well, and it behooves every > orchestra's managerial staff to take that into consideration. If the > orchestra is not making money, cannot pay its staff, then it does not > succeed. Mr. Lockhart, IMO, will bring in the money, and new money at > that people who may have never supported orchestral music before.   "Art for the sake of art" may be a wonderful virtue, but it does not pay the bills! Ask any of these musicians driving around in a high-mileage 1989 car with their valuable instrument on the seat beside them if art-for-art-sake pays the bills! Shirley is right on when she touts marketability is a high virtue! One of our local "pops" orchestras has hired Crafton Beck as its new conductor, and they are taking the pr campaign with him to the max! His face appears everywhere and he's a very personable kinda conductor.   It's interesting this conversation is taking place since we had a similar one in our green room last Sunday morning with some of the local players. According to a couple of these players, Keith Lockhart was not the musician's choice for conductor, but he was for the board and the "suits" who run the show. Apparently they thought he had more "marketability" than some of the others. They could put his mug shot on the side of busses and in advertising slicks and sell more tickets and with a more youthful appearance. And . . . let's face it, John Williams may be a great musician/composer, but that's not a pretty face! And also, one can get a good musician for a lower price and groom him/her to be a hot shot and still not have to pay top dollar for a seasoned pro.   Time will tell if they "suits" made the right decision. To date his recordings are rehashes of old Fiedler kinda music with nothing new on those discs, but time will tell.   No one has mentioned his stick technique yet. I find it very distracting and find it peculiar. Of course, he may say the same about mine!! :)   Merry Christmas, y'all!   Darryl by the Sea  
(back) Subject: Re: Boston Pops Concert From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 06:37:23 -0800 (PST)   From Shirley: >And a question, Dan: I haven't heard enough of his work to evaluate this, >but is it that Mr. Lockhart is not musical, or just hasn't had enough >experience under his belt yet? Also, was the price right? Were they >offering top dollar to get the best conductor money could buy? >   This part is just personal opinion, NUT, I feel that he just does not have enough experience under his belt to have a post of this magnitude. He does not have the name recognition that could have been of more benefit to the Boston Pops. I don't really know about the money part of things but I do know that the Boston Symphony/Boston Pops Orchestras are certainly profit making machines. There is a LOT of money behind these organizations. Because of this there is also a LOT of politics to be played in a decision like this--and the politics of it all could have been the REAL deciding factor. It would be SAD if this is the case but it would not surprise me if it were so.   Dan    
(back) Subject: Re: Boston Pops Concert From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 06:40:54 -0800 (PST)     >No one has mentioned his stick technique yet. I find it very distracting >and find it peculiar. Of course, he may say the same about mine!! :) > >Merry Christmas, y'all! > >Darryl by the Sea   No mentioned his stick technique other than the musicians! This is probably because he doesn't really HAVE any stick technique---and what little may be there is VERY distracting and NOT from any conducting school of thought that I ever studied! :)   Dan    
(back) Subject: holiday office fun From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 10:46:49 -0500 (EST)     With no management around, unplugging the headphones and playing David Drury's Music For A Grand Organ is fun fun fun. I've got somewhat decent speakers on my workstation, but the guy down the hall has a huge subwoofer unit and speaker system connected to his PC. The ending of Dupre's Cortege et Litanie when Drury pulls the 64' really shakes up the office. :)   Happy Holidays, all, and drive safely if you're in the snow!   -Adam   Rutherford, NJ USA Free speech online!_/ "You can't trample infidels when http://zen.advance.net/~alevin/_______/ you're a tortoise. I mean, all you <*> __________________________/ could do is give them a meaningful look." -O /    
(back) Subject: Re: Boston Pops Concert From: Dan Emery <dptech@networx.on.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 97 10:32:47 -0600   At 20:11 23/12/97 -0800, danbel@earthlink.net wrote: > > ... I happen to live in this area and I can certainly tell >you that MUCH of the musical community (including myself) do NOT believe the >right decision was made in the hiring of Mr. Lockhart. > I believe that the conductor does not exist solely to satisfy the musical community ... they need to satisfy the entire community. The 'community' of the Boston Pops extends beyond Boston and for that matter, the U.S.A.   As a Canadian, I have enjoyed watching the pops on TV and attending their concerts for almost 40 years. How were Messrs. Fiedler and Williams originally received? I really didn't like Mr. Williams as much as his predecessor but that's just my opinion. I still fully enjoyed a pops concert under his control and I continue to enjoy them under Mr. Lockhart.   Our local Philharmonic orchestra folded a couple of years ago due to bunkruptcy. I believe that part of the problem was the firing of the dynamic, energetic conductor a few years before that. He could bring the orchestra 'to the people' and was well known in the community. His replacements were capable and perhaps superior to him musically but they didn't have the drawing power of this man. Now a group within the city is trying to resurrect the philharmonic. Guess who they are bringing back as a conductor? The previously fired dynamo. I think that they will succeed.   IMHO, the jury is still out on Keith Lockhart; let's give him a chance.   All the best to everyone for Christmas and 1998!   .... dpe  
(back) Subject: Boston Pops (a response) From: JACKC@CLIFFY.POLAROID.COM (Charlie Jack 6-4479) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:41:39 -0500     Just a quick response to several responses to my posting with regards to Keith Lockhart and the Boston Pops.   Dan (danbel@earthlink.NET) responds: >It would be lovely to know that someone is speaking for the entire city = of >Boston on this one. I happen to live in this area and I can certainly = tell >you that MUCH of the musical community (including myself) do NOT = believe the >right decision was made in the hiring of Mr. Lockhart.   If GOD (him/her)self was to have been appointed someone would disagree, that's human nature. I certainly don't speak for the entire Boston community but the overall response is generally favorable and that includes several members of the orchestra that I have personally talked to. He may not have been the first choice for some but most of them like Keith and understand what his mission is that the 'stuffed shirts' who by the way have orchestra member representation, hired him for. Nearly everyone I encounter in the hall is favorably disposed towards Keith.   The mission of the Boston Pops even though it is comprised mainly of members of the Boston Symphony Orchestra is different from the BSO. The first chair players of the BSO become the Boston Symphony Chamber Players and play a different schedule. The Pops was conceived by BSO founder Major Henry Lee Higginson as a way of bringing lighter music to the general public and oh by the way to provide additional employment for his musicians beyond the regular symphony season. That the Pops makes money is due to the fact that the parent organization doesn't need to schedule lots of rehearsals to do a new program every week for 24 weeks, that doesn't even include the ambitious Tanglewood program that has three different programs each weekend. No matter what, if the Pops doesn't draw an audience or isn't able to make recordings that sell, will be a failure and under Keith it is doing fine. By the way the BSO like all American orchestras does not make money, it always comes up short. That's a fact of life in this country.   I don't know if you have heard his 'American Visions' CD but I don't even remotely consider it Arthur Fiedler rehashed. It's true that is the same class of music that Arthur would record but it was uniquely Keith's selections.   In my original posting I mentioned that he is also the conductor of the Boston Symphony Youth Concerts. Now there's a mission that is super critical these days. After its founder Harry Ellis Dickson retired it was the domain of whatever assistant conductor the BSO had at the time and it suffered accordingly. The programs weren't bad but there was nobody to draw young people and their parents to the concerts. The hall is now filled for all the concerts thanks to Keith. You can't expose children to live orchestral music if they don't come.   I attended a presentation he gave to local school teachers prior to a youth concert and can tell you most of them (female) were agog over him. Is that good musicianship, probably not, but those motivated teachers went back to their schools with a sense of excitement about attending the upcoming concert that they might not have had otherwise. By the way the program he produced included a wide range of music even music by Charles Ives and they loved it. How many conductors would even dare to such an audience and successfully pull it off.   I personally am not a great one for attending Pops concerts but am an avid subscriber to the BSO. As a subscriber I am quite happy at what Keith has done and what he means to this orchestra. I can be quite comfortable that not everyone agrees but that's life.   Charlie Jack =09 Charles W. Jack email: jackc@polaroid.com Principal Engineer Polaroid Dry Imaging R&D Polaroid Corporation (781)-386-4479:voice 103 Fourth Avenue (W103F-2) (781)-386-4583:fax Waltham, MA 02154-7598 =09      
(back) Subject: Test Message From: "Greg" <klingler@IDT.NET> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 18:57:40 -0500   Hi All,   Just a test to see if this Windows 95 mail works. Sorry to ake up any time / space.   Anyway, Merry Christmas to all!   Greg  
(back) Subject: Re: Boston Pops Concert From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:24:52 EST   You are right! Here in Philadelphia, with one of the great orchestras of the world, there is a malaise so bad that the city's 'quality' newspaper has written articles in the Sunday editions about it.   Wolfgang Sawallisch is credited with being 100% musician. Problem is, in this TV-era that isn't enough (except with the players and the musical community) and they're looking for another Muti-----charisma personified. Friends of mine in the orchestra have been aware of this, and now it's in the papers for all to see. Of course, everyone says that they must have a 100% perfect musician WITH charisma, but my guess is that they'll give in on the musicianship long before they get someone with less than optimum stage presence.   SIGH! I'm glad I work in a church setting. Have A Blessed Christmas! Bill Miller, Phila Pa/Musician, FPC, Trenton, Nj  
(back) Subject: jesse crwford recording From: "karl fischer" <karl_der_kaiser@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 15:26:54 PST   Hi all   I have a record (actually, it's my mom's) of "Christmas organ and chimes" by jesse crawford. It was published by Pickwic international in 1976. the cover has a close up of a hammond keyboard decorated for christmas... It's either an E-100 or M-100. And judging from the recording, he did use a hammond. Is this record worth anything?   is this the same jesse crawford who was a Theaterorgan master?   I would like some info about him.   Merry CHRISTmas all!!!!:)   karl der kaiser und heidsmischerGott der Klavierinstrumente.   PS I still didn't get my ordered sheet music of bach's tocatta and Fugue from my local music store...maybe they lost my order?   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Recital -- Christmas Day 4 PM From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 03:44:08 -0500   An Organ Recital for Christmas Day "Chestnuts and Yuletide Echoes"   Holy Faith RC Church -- Gainesville FL USA Bruce Cornely, organist   Carol -- O come, all ye faithful Prelude on "Adeste fideles" Thomas Adams Carol -- It came upon the midnight clear Prelude on "I wonder as I wander" J J Niles Carol -- Away in a manger Prelude on "What child is this?" Alec Rowley Carol -- 'Twas in the morn of wintertime Prelude on "Jesu Bambina" Pietro Yon Carol -- Still, still, still Preludes on "In dulci jubilo" Gerald Kemner Marcel Dupre Max Reger Carol -- Maria walked through thornwood trees A Christmas Reverie John Gordon Seely   Moller 2/21 (1982)   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: jesse crwford recording From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 03:49:24 -0500   I think I have the same recording as Karl, but mine has a children choir and organ pipe facade behind them on the cover (but there is still a Hammond inside). I'll sell mine, too!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o