PipeChat Digest #183 - Wednesday, December 31, 1997
Weddings & Resolutions, Part II
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
You never know.....Clarence Watters
  by Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Music Printer Plus Info
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
***Church music jobs on the WEB!!****
  by The NE ORG <TheNEORG@aol.com>
***Church Music Jobs Address***
  by The NE ORG <TheNEORG@aol.com>
VT Recital- X-post
  by Paul Opel <popel@sover.net>
Re: VT Recital- X-post
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: VT Recital- X-post
  by FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: ***Church Music Jobs Address***
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
IRC Chat??
  by SM Fitzgerald <orgel@shianet.org>
Re: IRC Chat??
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: ill-tempered organ
  by CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: Chicago Theatre Post Horn (CROSS POSTED)
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Organ Blower suppliers
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
personal Small Organ Challenge.
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: ill-tempered organ
  by Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com>

(back) Subject: Weddings & Resolutions, Part II From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 00:27:04   Seems that my last opus has resulted in two popular questions:   1) What book has the great version of Stookey's Wedding Song in it?   Maranatha! Music publishes "The Wedding Album Songbook", Copyright 1983 for $6.95. The Wedding Song runs like this: a one-page keyboard intro, followed by 3 pages of 8 bars of voice followed by 2 bars of keyboard solo (8+2+8+2+...), then a full page of voice followed by 4 bars of piano. The piece ends with 2 1/2 pp of voice and 7 bars of piano. A nice blend of voice and keyboard if you ask me, and none of that "doo-dee-doo-dee" c**p that you find in the Stookey original version which, admittedly, was written for guitar and string bass accompaniment. What a shame - just think how famous PP&M might have become if they had used a pipe organ for accompaniment. Maybe they could have borrowed Virgil's touring electronic model.   2) What software do you use to enter music and transpose it? Are there copyright problems with it?   Let me answer the second part first.   Yes.   BTW, my first job while I was in graduate school was working in a copy shop. Guess where I copied the music that I included in my master's thesis? (I got permission first from the son of the deceased composer to copy the music.) I later got fired from that job, but it was just as well - the woman I worked for got my dander up when she loudly declared that all Irishmen were lazy bums who never did anything well except drink, brawl and impregnate women, and not necessarily in that order. Ask me for further details of what I did to get fired - it's a funny story, but it has absolutely nothing to do with music except that I was working on my MM at the time. I will tell you this, however - the woman I worked for liked to smoke cigars - the real things, folks, not the silly feminized brown cigarettes, and when I saw her sucking on one at a computer show last year (after not having seen her for 20 years), I went up to her and said, "Hi! Remember me?" She squinted at me and I could tell she couldn't remember me, so I jerked the stogie out of her mouth, dropped it on the floor and ground it under my size 14 shoe, then just said, "Those things will kill you if you're not careful!" Then I turned on my heel and disappeared into the crowd before she could say a word.   Now, on to the first part.   A friend of mine gave me a copy of Music Printer Plus, Version 4.41. I don't know how old it is, but it requires you to enter music one note or rest at a time. Not very appealing, is it? Well, it does have some rather nice features, such as allowing you to enter common figures, such as an Alberti bass, and then allowing you to copy it elsewhere and transpose it up or down a few steps. When I transpose music for my wife, I usually just enter a lead line with guitar chords, and then transpose that and print it out; otherwise, entering in an anthem, for example, can be a real eyeball-buster, as I found out a couple of years ago when I entered Rutter's "Angel Carol" in F and transposed it down to E-flat. At least two long evening's worth of work, as I recall, with at least one large dose of Visine. Still, I didn't pay for the package, and it came in real handy last week when my wife was asked to sing "O Holy Night" for Christmas Eve services; the version she liked was in E-flat, with a high B-flat at the end - the version she wanted to sing it in was in D-flat, with a high A-flat at the end. Unfortunately, the instrumental interludes and the few bars at the very end were in E-flat, not D-flat, so I just entered them in in the high key, transposed a few lines of music to D-flat, and printed it out, all in about an hour.   I feel sure MPP is copyrighted, and being the law-abiding citizen I am, I should have had my friend arrested for giving me copyrighted software, right? Sorry - blood and friendship are thicker than the legal system where I come from. Besides, it was given to him, too, and probably to his source as well. If I was doing this for a profit, and not just for my personal convenience, I'd get the latest version with the profits from my work using the version I currently own, however, as we all know, there's little profit in music, is there? Besides, if I tried to sell a Rutter anthem in a lower key, I'd deserve to be thrown in the clink, right?   As I recall, MPP runs a couple hundred bucks, but I've heard there's lots better software out there. It's just that I don't have a keyboard attached to my PC's soundcard, so I don't feel any strong urge to buy better software just yet.   Hope this helps and/or amuses some of you out there.   \/\/\      
(back) Subject: You never know.....Clarence Watters From: Stanley E Yoder <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 08:55:54 -0500 (EST)   Yesterday, shopping around for an electric toothbrush, I chanced by a newly-opened used-CD store (may be a chain: "Disc-go-round"). Went in, not expecting much in classical. And there wasn't. But in the last section, I spied "In Memoriam Clarence Watters", AFKA label, 1989. It's Dupre works, plus the Widor IX Gothique, earliest recording '52, latest '72, on the Trinity A-S and Austin, the Widor at Yale/Woolsey. Interestingly, the Trinity A-S is identified as opus 1 of the company. It's actually 851, but was it perhaps the first with an A-S nameplate? Needless to say, I bought it ($5.99). Anyone have this disc? It reminded me that I have an old LP for which Watters supervised the reproduction/recording of Lynnwood Farnam rolls on an Austin in St. John's, Hartford. Watters did the registration and the swell pedals.   Gluckliches neues Jahr! Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Music Printer Plus Info From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 1997 06:46:12   If you are interested in a brief description of this software, check out the following site:<http://www.tcp.ca/ArchiveIssues/Oct89/DOSMUSIC.TXT> .   MPP's home page is at <http://www.halcyon.com/musicware/mpp.html> .   I don't know what the current price is, but several years ago, the price of version 2.0 was $595 and version 3.0 was $695.   Howzat for short?   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: ***Church music jobs on the WEB!!**** From: The NE ORG <TheNEORG@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 11:40:41 EST   The long awaited AGO "Positions Available" is now available!   You can post a church music job OR search for a church music job....Please visit often and utilize this resource - pass the word around - for this project to be viable for the Guild, we will need active particpation! And please, sign into the Guild Guest Book to let us know how effective you feel this new service is! This will encourage the Office Staff to know that there is interest!   Thanks, and hope your holiday are going well!     Len   Len Levasseur The Organist tneorg@aol.com PO Box 747 http://www.tneorg.com Lawrence, MA 01842-1547 Fax:1-508-970-1133 Phone: 1-800-841-4030        
(back) Subject: ***Church Music Jobs Address*** From: The NE ORG <TheNEORG@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 12:45:00 EST       Whoops, forgot to include the URL for the Positions Available!   http://www.agohq.org   Enjoy!   Len   Len Levasseur The Organist tneorg@aol.com PO Box 747 http://www.tneorg.com Lawrence, MA 01842-1547 Fax:1-508-970-1133 Phone: 1-800-841-4030        
(back) Subject: VT Recital- X-post From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:55:34 -0400   Well, I got myself busier than ever this holiday season. Our town (Bennington, VT) is doing a First Night celebration- about a dozen venues with country bands, garage bands, celtic bands, magicians, storytellers- and an organ recital by yours truly. Kind of a nice thing, and it gets a lot of the local talent up on stage. I saw an announcement in the newspaper, and thought "I've been wanting to put on a recital, and here's a good excuse", so I'm doing a 45 minute program twice, at 8 and 9 PM. And the town is even paying me a hundred bucks- why not? I'm the only classical act out there that night.   First Baptist Church, Bennington, VT December 31, 8 and 9 PM   Vivaldi/Bach Concerto in a minor John Stanley Voluntary in a minor, op. 6/II Louis Vierne Lied from 24 Pieces en style libre Maurice Ravel Pavan for a dead princess Anonymous Portuguese, 17th century Batalha 6 tono Eugene Gigout Rhapsodie sur des Noels   This program gives me and the organ (1878 Hook & Hastings/1975 Wicks, 2/20) a good workout. It took me a lot of work to get the double pedal in the Bach together, but it's certainly been worth it for what it did for my pedalling in general. It's a bit of an eclectic program, and I've had fun registering it- I don't use the same registration twice, and for the Ravel I use almost all the pistons (4 each general, swell, and great, but I'm only using two of the pedal pistons.   Paul Opel         http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: VT Recital- X-post From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 15:34:29 -0500   Paul, Enjoy your program. I understand that First Night in Burlington is really a great event. Bennington, with all its historicness should be great. Your program looks very enjoyable and has something for everyone; hope the Hook & Wicks behaves. By the way, I really admire your restraint in not using those other two pedal pistons <g> :-) ! Enjoy the snooooooooooooooow.   bruce   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: VT Recital- X-post From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 17:24:04 EST   Are there any mental health pros out there who can talk to Bruce Cornely about his fixation on snow?,,, Only kidding. Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: ***Church Music Jobs Address*** From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 18:43:46 +0000   Thanks for posting the update, Len. I went to snoop around, and it looks really nice, very professionally done! But no job listings came up for any of the three or four regions I selected, a bug? or the info just not quite all there yet?   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: IRC Chat?? From: "SM Fitzgerald" <orgel@shianet.org> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 20:58:11 -0500   Did I read correctly that there is a #pipechat channel on AnotherNet? When is the chat? I'd be most interested in joining the discussion, but I don't know when the gathering is.   Scott Fitzgerald Owosso, Michigan, USA www.shianet.org/~orgel        
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat?? From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:21:10 -0500   Scott, - and others interested in joining IRC pipechat,   We have moved our Server to irc.pipechat.org, which has it's inaugural session next Friday, January 2nd 1998.   For full details go to our Web page at http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html, where you will find full instructions on how to log in and take part in the chat.   Bob Conway, co-owner #pipechat IRC.     At 08:58 PM 12/30/97 -0500, Scott Fitzgerald wrote: >Did I read correctly that there is a #pipechat channel on AnotherNet? When >is the chat? I'd be most interested in joining the discussion, but I don't >know when the gathering is. > >Scott Fitzgerald >Owosso, Michigan, USA >www.shianet.org/~orgel    
(back) Subject: Re: ill-tempered organ From: CDKrug <CDKrug@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 21:56:55 EST   Seems to me that several years ago there was a recording called "The Well Tuned Piano," which demonstrated a just intoned piano, just as WTC deomnstrated equal temperment.   Anyone else heard of this one?  
(back) Subject: Re: Chicago Theatre Post Horn (CROSS POSTED) From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 19:05:53 -0500   Is WurliTzer still in buisness?   I'm thinking of getting parts used parts to build my own.   Just our of curiosity, what is the stoplist of the insturment that you are trying to restore to normal?   I may use some stops when I go to build the stoplist.   Thanks... Jason bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ | O  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Blower suppliers From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:55:32 -0500   Plenty of used blowers here, including Laukhuffs, Meidingers, Spencers, etc.. Is there a specific requirement? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do you have any blowers that work on 120 VAC max.   I'm thinking on building my own insturment utilizing Peterson Electronic Tone Generators. A small house insturment of two or three manuals. The 16's, 8', and everything lower than 4' tall (note: not pitch. I would use stopped and/or chimneyed and/or a Krummhorn of 8' pitch.) would be electronic. I don't want the insturment to take up THAT much space. The insturment is only in the 'dream' stage and I don't think I could get the approval of my parents to build it. I DON'T EVEN HAVE THE STOPLIST MADE UP!!!!! I'm going to write to the list and see what they think.   At least I'm aware of a place I can get a blower for it!   Thanks. Jason Comet bombarde8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: personal Small Organ Challenge. From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:19:05 -0500   I'm thinking of buildong an insturment for a house and an experiment insturment. I would like to utilize Peterson Electronic Tone Generators for everything over 4' tall. NOTE: 4' TALL, not pitch. I would use stopped and/or chimmneyed and/or a Krummhorn of 8' pitch. I would like the insturment to NOT have many pipes and take up TOO much space. I woudl like to use the instrument for practice and recording work. Even invite my chapter of AGO over sometime and let them see it! (yea, right, very optimistic!)   If anyone even THINKS they have a stoplist, don't hesitate to send it to me PRIVATLY. Not even a full stoplist, even just a few suggestions on what shoudl be what. Don't hesitate to through a 16' Contra Trompette into the pedal division.(I would prefer it) Even make the electronic voices unified or duplicated, or borrowed! (it's possible)   This is an insturment that I would enlarge further down the road if I liked the outcome of this present instrument. If it was GREAT, I woudln't touch it.   One thing. In the Swell, I prefer to have the following AT LEAST:   Gedeckt or some type of full sounding flute, a Salicional of 8' pitch, and some sort of Celeste. (TC or full compass) I think they sound GREAT when used in a quiet piece. Sometimes I even take out the flute and start that (sometimes) anoying thing that bounces up and down really fast and exhausts the compressed mixture of gas that is used to make the big/little metal/wood/electronic thing that make a certain decibal level of different tone colors and ranges. (actually, I LOVE IT!!!!!) (can you figure that out?) :-)))   Thanks. Now, Iv'e got to get some sleep and rest my back. I've been shoveling about every hour all day today! Total, I've got a little over a foot of snow! I was lucky though! About 100 miles away, they got from a foot to 5' of snow in a 12 hour period!   Later... Thanks... Jason Comet   P.S. Please pray for my organ teacher who lives down where that are getting the 5' of snow. She has to travel over 150 miles tomorrow (wednesday) in the 5' and has a car that has given her some problems these past few winters. I'm *VERY* worried.   Thanks again VERY much. J.      
(back) Subject: Re: ill-tempered organ From: Kurt Kehler <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 03:11:28 -0500   CDKrug wrote:   <Seems to me that several years ago there was a recording called "The Wel= l <Tuned Piano," which demonstrated a just intoned piano, just as WTC <deomnstrated equal temperment.   The "well-tempered" clavier is not "equal-tempered". While WTC was written to demonstrate the possibilities of writing music in all keys, the temperaments Bach had in mind were designed to minimise the "wolf", while preserving, as much as possible, purer intervals in all keys. Unequal (well) temperaments =   give each key its own color. Equal temperament, which evolved later, eliminates key color, i.e. all keys are equally droll.   I just received Enid Katahn's recording of "Beethoven In The Temperaments= ".   Gasparo GSCD-332 1-800-934-8821 (orders only). http://www.gasparo.com [No affiliation on my part]   Pathetique Op. 14, No. 1 Moonlight Waldstein   Edward Foote wrote the Notes explaining historical tunings, produced the recording, tuned the piano, and took the photograph on the cover. The results are wonderful. The various keys have different sounds that come to life in the context of each journey from tonic to dominant (or wherever Beethoven decides to travel), through the development and back again to the tonic. Also in the contrast between the end of one movement or sonata and the beginning of the next. In fact, the whole recording was conceived as a journey in tonality beginning with the C-Minor of the Pathetique and ending with the C-Major of the Waldstein.   See also Owen Jorgensen, TUNING THE HISTORICAL TEMPERAMENTS BY EAR (The Northern Michigan University Press. Marquette, Michigan. 1977. $22.50)   There is a review of this book at: http://idrs.colorado.edu/Publications/DR/DR.V.3/DR3.1/book.html   Listening to "Beethoven in the Temperaments" has been ear-opening. If you are at all curious, buy the CD and read Edward Foote's notes.   Do any PipeChatter's know of any organ recordings of WTC in unequal temperament?   Best Regards, Kurt Kehler York, PA