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 Opinion wanted on Ahlborn (Was: Off-topic postings [Was:  Home
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(back) Subject: Manners! From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 08:58:46 -0400 (EDT)   We all make mistakes....When offering advice on correcting them I propose the use of manners (good ones!)  
(back) Subject: Making Organs Availabe for Use From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:08:49 -0400 (EDT)   I was lucky as a child that my church allowed me to use the organ starting in junior high...I'm sure the (bad) organ music they heard every afternoon drove the office personel crazy! But I was always received with a smile...   I will not turn anyone away from the consoles I preside at, and have made it clear to the office personel at my churches to allow access to the organ with a smile, and none of this "we'll have to contact the organist." How are we going to get youngsters interested in silent, locked up instruments....so what if you have to check the pistons on Sunday?   I am so thankful that the organist way back then was so gracious...Of course, this is a small town and we don't have to worry about vandalism, or stuff like that....  
(back) Subject: Re: Making Organs Availabe for Use From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:28:46 -0400 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT   I was (after a time) allowed to practice on the organ at church. For the first six or so months of my "career" (I was 9 or 10) I would hide in a stairwell after worship on Sunday so that I would be locked in until the building reopened for evening activities around 5 PM. After the organist came back one Sunday for something, she arranged for practice time. My present position has allowed me to leave the consoe open (literally) and instant permission is granted to use of the organ, especially to our children. The building is most often locked, but the secretary or one of the resident students can let someone in. The best time to get a child interested in the organ is.... duh, when they are curious and interested.     Bruce Cornely o o o ______________ o o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Home pipe organ?? From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:37:14 EDT     On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:33:06 EDT dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) writes: > >On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:52:54 -0400 "Paul F. Stapel" ><pstapel@spectra.net> writes: > >>If you are within the upstate New York area, west of the Adirondacks, > >>call >>me at 607 773 1495/ 722 3933 and I can certainly fill you in!!. Paul, I'm currently in Jackson, Wyoming, but will be back in Skaneateles, NY in September.   I'll be in touch then...     Douglas A. Campbell formerly in Skaneateles, NY now in Jackson, WY  
(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic postings (Was: Home pipe organ??) From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:45:18 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-07-25 22:53:11 EDT, you write:   << PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>   If this is the true, it would seem that any objection to the posting of organ related topics not strictly a "pipe-type" would be out of order!   I read them ALL with interest! Gene Hamilton Indianapolis, IN  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronics and Pipes Together?? From: DaveW10140@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:59:52 -0400 (EDT)   SCoonrod wrote:   I was surprised at the Southeastern Regional AGO Convention to find that the organ that Walter Holtkamp was designing when he died in 1962 had had 32' pedal reed and flue extensions recently installed. This is an organ I was very familiar with....I thought "Ugh!" but the acoustics in the church are great, and the 32' electronic extensions worked very well. If only you didn't know!   Are you by any chance talking about the Holtkamp/AOB organ opus 1724 installed in Central Christian Church in Lexington KY? In the early 90's Associated Organ Builders made major additions to this instrument. The church is one of the major congregations in the Disciples of Christ denomination. They feature a very extensive music ministry, at that time, under the leadership of Robert Kintner. The instrument is of historical interest since it is the last organ personally finished by Walter Holtkamp Sr. It consists of about 45 ranks of pipes over 3 manuals and because of its history, it was felt important to maintain the integrity of the organ, and add to it to expand its capabilities.   The church had been very happy with the organ, though because of their particular music ministry, and the physical layout of the room, there were several limitations that needed to be overcome. The choir had difficulty hearing the instrument. Also the Christian Church service often calls for quiet meditative music since they have communion every Sunday. A great variety of literature is performed.   AOB was commissioned to expand the organ by first of all enlarging the console from about 45 stops to over 170. The keying system, including electro-pneumatic switches and relays, was replaced with modern solid state equipment. The setterboard combination was replaced with a modern solid state system that included 10 levels of memory, 36 general pistons plus a large compliment of Divisionals and Reversibles.   An Antiphonal Division was added, speaking from the rear gallery. A large solo Trompette plus a soft luscious Ludwig Tone speaks from the ceiling high above the chancel. In a letter to AOB, Mr Kintner had the following to say.   "The surprise is how the acoustics of the room allows for pipes, antiphonal balcony, antiphonal ceiling and chancel materials to function together. This gives incredible variety in how solo stops can be accompanied etc., not to mention ensembles for hymn accompaniment."   "The antiphonal is regulated like a lovely Choir division. The sounds are warm and full of color and it is amazing how this division joins with the Holtkamp and surrounds the listener as the AOB sounds have sufficient harmonic development to really join forces with the Swell and Choir stops of the Holtkamp. One can even use the pedal of the antiphonal with the Holtkamp and not be aware 'from whence the sound commeth!'".   "The sound of the Antiphonal 8' Principal and Salicional working together are as colorful and rich as any big French style Swell Principal you have ever heard and makes Franck 8' lines sound like the 'real thing', something no Holtkamp can do."   With this major project, Associated Organ Builders demonstrated a unique ability to match solid state voices to those of existing pipe work. This work is now being carried on by the Britson Organ Company of Sumner Washington by Tom Britanyak and Associates. Tom can be contacted via email at tombrit@AOL.com   Dave Wordell AOB ORGAN CONSULTANTS INC.  
(back) Subject: Re: Home pipe organ?? From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:07:54 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-07-26 00:52:41 EDT, you write:   << Those of you with classical electronic organs...how did you do it in your house? >>   With the following:   Viscount EXR150 MIDI Module Roland U-110 MIDI Module with classic organ card Six Allen organ 100W amps Three 40/50 W stereo amps One 70W mono amp Three Alesis digitial reverb units One "Q-Link" One line level mixer Speakers: One Conn 256 cabinet One Leslie 247 cabinet One Traynor (4-12") cabinet Two Allen antiphonal cabinets Two Panasonic speaker units Two Yamaha speaker units Two Altec/Lansing (18" horn/15"woofer) units Two Conn pipe speaker units (large scale) Two Conn pipe speaker units (medium scale) One Conn pipe speaker unit (symetrical) Conn 650 self-contained speakers Midi interface by InterMidi affording couplers & Pedal Octaver (32') Sw-Gt Ch-Gt Sw-Ped Gt-Ped Ch-Ped -------- and more. This is for classic organ with the 650 running "Straight."   It works! It works well!    
(back) Subject: Re: Making Organs Availabe for Use From: Ronnymn@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:47:14 -0400 (EDT)   Amen. When I was about 13, nicely requested to play the small pipe organ at our Presbyterian church. I was a piano student at the time. Do not remember the words but it was an unequivocal no. ( I was no juv. delinq. either). The Lutheran church would let me play their electrical Baldwin, but never really felt at home there and of course it wasnt a pipe. I am glad to hear organist repeat their similar stories so as to hopefully influence some ---- retentive out there to share their fortunes.  
(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic postings (Was: Home pipe organ??) From: Ronnymn@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:53:04 -0400 (EDT)   should let this wither i guess but it takes me less than 4 seconds to have the note appear on screen and determine my interest. Some people must be terribly, terribly busy. Some groups have much, much worse problems with really far out and offensive postings.  
(back) Subject: Re: update - Pipe organ supporting frame wood costs From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:35:24 -0400 (EDT)   Well gee--   For anything structural that will be hidden, use poplar.   For large panels, quality, flat cut,bookmatched hardwood veneer plywood--it's far superior in terms of cost and dimensional stability to hardwood for "sheet" applications. I would use birch veneer for interior work and Oak for exterior--but you could use walnut etc.   Best     Charles // Christianity was in Africa before Europe // India before England // China before America // Very few Christians are White        
(back) Subject: Re: Home pipe organ?? From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:35:37 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-07-25 04:14:19 EDT, you write:   << We added two of these to a large TO and NO ONE knows that they are not real. >>   Really? Not even you? Amazing!  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronics and Pipes Together?? From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:53:50 -0400 (EDT)   Dave....The organ I was speaking is a @50 rank 1963 Holtkamp (Walter, Jr. actually finished the design and installation of this instrument. Betty Louise Lumby was the consultant) at St. Luke's Episcopal Church, Birmingham, AL..... RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Home pipe organ?? Leak Detection From: Tnbirke@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:08:37 -0400 (EDT)   The 2/7 Reuter that I am installing in our den suffers from a few wind chest leaks. Many of you have probably installed older organs in one place or another. Is there a leak detection method other than listening with a section of plastic hose? The standard method in the pipeline business (day job) is "snoop" which is water with a bit of liquid soap added, which obviously work here.   This organ had been removed and crated before I found it. It sat in the garage for several months before it was installed far enough to sound. The anticipation was awful. It was like awaiting the birth of a child...when you don't know the baby's gender hair color, or anything else, except that it is yours.   Tom Birkett Bartlesville, Oklahoma  
(back) Subject: Re: Home pipe organ?? Leak Detection From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:35:46 -0400 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT   Tom, an old repairmans trick was to put some baby powder on a hairbrsh, and then move it slowly along the seams or junction between the boards. When there is a lead, even a small one, you'll get a puff of powder! (and you'll smell good and have soft hands!). A slightly more complicated method is to put a flashlight inside the chest and close it up, light leaking through will indicate a leak. However, I prefer powder.     o o Bruce Cornely o o o o ______________ o o OHS ======================== AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: Home pipe organ?? Leak Detection From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:23:09 -0400 (EDT)   Assuming you're working on wet-resistant material, I'd use the soap test.     Charles