PipeChat Digest #133 - Saturday, November 15, 1997
 
Re: Conn Organ Advice
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
Responses to job question
  by Kenneth O. Woods <kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil>
Choral Concert 11/23 in DC
  by Daniel J. Miller <djmiller@sprintmail.com>
Organ records
  by Mark Quarmby <markq@mail.flex.com.au>
Concert near Philly, PA USA
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Job Questions
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Job Questions
  by Kenneth O. Woods <kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil>
Masterclass Ludger Lohmann
  by Philippe Beullens <bulls.oil@tornado.be>
PipeChat IRC tonight!
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
DENNIS JAMES AT ATLANTA FOX TONIGHT
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: Responses to job question
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos
  by Bruce Behnke <behnke@isat.com>
playing five organs in a day!
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Pipe/electronic combo
  by Wildhirt, Richard <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Guilbransen Theatre Organ
  by <NFexec@aol.com>
Re: Guilbransen Theatre Organ
  by Richard B. Ahlvin <rahlvin@magnolia.net>
Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos
  by Paul F. Stapel <pstapel@spectra.net>
Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos
  by james turner <JTTUNER@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Conn Organ Advice From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:01:10 -0500 (EST)   In a message dated 97-11-13 10:24:23 EST, you write:   > IF you had to choose between a CONN 651 (3 manual, analog, c.1973) or a CONN > 646 (2 manual, digital, c. 1983) which would you choose. Both are for sale > at the same price.   Because I much prefer the 3-manual over the 2-manual --- and because my ear tells me that the 651 has a "warmer" - "edge-free" sound, I would opt for the 651.   gene hamilton  
(back) Subject: Responses to job question From: kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil (Kenneth O. Woods) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 8:10:29 EST   Many thanks for you suggestions and opinions!   To bruce cornely--I agree change is risky or challenging, depends on which part of the water glass you're looking at I guess.   To Paul F. Stapel--those were some good questions that weren't on my list yet, except for that one about who's dating whom? Whew! I don't think I'd even approach that one! *grin* I think I'll chance tasting shoe leather!   To robert.cowley--we've been organists about the same amount of time, but the big difference here is this is my first change. I was so young when I started playing at my current church, I don't remember how I got the job in the first place! Contract? what's that!   To Shirley --Thanks! But I'm not that mobile and I can't quit my "day job" yet!   To Jack R Hooton--Methodist. I'll have to check to see if they have guidelines and I'll be at an AGO chapter meeting Monday. I'll ask about their materials concerning this also. I do know that the salary being offered is less than what I've seen discussed here before. That's not my main concern. I am making a list and adding to it from these responses!   -- Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil  
(back) Subject: Choral Concert 11/23 in DC From: "Daniel J. Miller" <djmiller@sprintmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:10:59 -0500   Dear List,   On Sunday, November 23, 1997, at 4:00pm the Washington Women's Chorus will present a concert "The Sacred Voice of France". This program will be held at St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Connecticut Ave. at Ellicott St., in Washington, DC. The program includes motets by Saint-Saens, Faure, Durufle & Poulenc. The highlight of the program is Poulenc's "Litanies a la Vierge Noire". I will be playing solo works by Jeanne Demessieux (Rorate caeli and Attende Domine from Twelve Choral Preludes on Gregorian Themes) and the first movement of Guilmant's Sonata No. 3 in C Minor. The organ is a 4 manual Schantz of 1985 in the gallery, with a small instrument in the chancel by the same builder.   The WWC is in it's second season. It's founder and artistic director, Donald Richardson, is a fine conductor and musician with graduate degrees from the Eastman School. Yours truly is the Assistant Conductor and Organist/Accompanist.   Tickets are available at the door for $12.00.   Daniel James Miller Organist, John Calvin Presbyterian Church Annandale, VA   Organist/Accompanist The Washington Women's Chorus Washington, DC    
(back) Subject: Organ records From: markq@mail.flex.com.au (Mark Quarmby) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:18:32 +1000   Dear List,   Pete asked us to write in and support Pipe Chat, so I thought I would add something on a lighter note, as it were, in the way of statistics. It occured to me the other day as I was running around Sydney from one engagement to another, that there wouldn't be too many organists in the world that could claim to have played 5 different organs all in the one day's work; one being a one manual instrument, another of two manuals, another of three manuals, another of four manuals and another of five manuals. This has happened to me on more than one occasion and I was just curious to know how many other organists around the world encounter such work all on the same day. This doesn't include playing the piano, which I also did that same day. How about our Philadelphian friends? Can anyone beat five organs by having played a few notes on the Wanamaker with its six manuals as well?   Cheers from Sydney where it has been 35 degrees Celsius today (about 96F) and where one of the choirs I accompany was rehearsing "See amid the winter's snow" for Christmas!!!     Mark      
(back) Subject: Concert near Philly, PA USA From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:02:33   Music at Abington presents The Abington Symphony Orchestra Sunday evening, November 23, at 7:30 PM     SAINT-SAENS Organ Symphony No. 3 MOZART Marriage of Figaro (excerpts)     Organist for the Saint-Saens will be GLENN MILLER, who will also sing bass in the "Marriage of Figaro" excerpts.   Abington Presbyterian Church, Abington, PA   (We're still in the search process for an organist. Interested? Email me privately for info.)   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Job Questions From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:11:10 -0600   >I'm considering interviewing for an organist position which recently >became available. My question to any of you is what should I ask the >committee about the position. What surprises have you had after accepting a >position because you didn't ask the right questions? ..... >   Ken Woods' questions about getting a church organist position call to mind two adages that my church music mentors used to stress to me: (1) Sell yourself! and (2) Do your homework *before* the interview.   Take an afternoon off from your M-F job and go visit the church. Be sure to take along a notepad to take all kinds of notes on. Ask to see the organ and try it out, spending at least an hour or so with it. Make sure you can live with the organ "as is," barring minor repairs, for the next few years, because you will probably have to do so. (I'm the only organist I know who knew up front that the organ was going to be replaced a few months after starting the job.)   Go to the office and look at a membership roster - if you know any of the members, and know them well, you might want to talk to them later, when you get home, to find out if there are any problems or problematic people you will have to deal with later.   While at the office, look at the last 4-6 months' worth of worship bulletins. This will tell you if they sing the same hymns over and over, ad nauseum. You can tell a lot from the hymns a church sings - resistance to change of hymns will undoubtedly show up later in resistance to change of other musical aspects of the worship service, and possibly your responsibilities or salary. Also check to see what the previous organist used for POP's - Preludes, Offertories and Postludes, so you can see what level of music the congregation is used to hearing.   After that, ask the secretary if you can see the last several years' worth of annual financial reports, the end-of-the-year kind. Check out the annual pledges, whether these amounts were met, if not then by how much; check out the salaries - did they all rise with corresponding rises in annual giving? Of course, be sure to check out the organists' salaries for annual raises - I don't ask for much, just a few dollars more per month, but enough to know that the church appreciates my work. Also investigate additional benefits, like retirement plans - see if the church will donate to your plan on a dollar-for-dollar rate, if possible. A real nice nice-to-have.   I would highly recommend that you re-visit that church on another Sunday. Try a communion Sunday, if they do that once each month, so that you have a chance to watch the choirmaster and organist on their busiest Sunday. Afterwards, make sure that you greet the choir and tell them what a wonderful job they did, and that you do likewise with the choirmaster and organist. Introducing yourself to the pastor is a big plus - it shows that you are genuinely concerned about the position, and not just somebody who comes in twice a week, plays what is asked for, and then leaves, with hardly a word to anybody. Smile a lot - be friendly. I did at one church and a couple of ladies asked me (separately) if I was going to join the church.   Hope these ideas help. I'm sure you'll get more from others on the list.     \/\/\ "Out the buffer, through the com port, over the pots line, into the NT box, up the fractional T1, onto the backbone, nothin' but 'net." ********************************************************** Vernon Moeller - Church Musician and Computer Programmer * * * * * vernonm@ccsi.com * * * * *  
(back) Subject: Job Questions From: kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil (Kenneth O. Woods) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 12:42:46 EST   Vernon---great ideas, well at least some of them. *grin* I hope I didn't make this sound like a MAJOR position in a LARGE congregation, the sanctuary may hold 300, we're talking tiny by some standards. I had to smile when the ad referred to themselves as a large congregation. But you're absolutely right about greeting the people I'd be working most closely with. As far as getting to know the organ first....well after visiting this summer I posted a message here about that church rejecting my request to practice on their organ. Maybe there's a message there.......... -- Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil  
(back) Subject: Masterclass Ludger Lohmann From: Philippe Beullens <bulls.oil@tornado.be> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:23:40 +0100   Dear friends,   As I recently told many of you that I was going to participate in an organ Masterclass, given by the German organist Ludger Lohmann, I will post my experiences on this remarkable man through this list.   The goal of the masterclass was to work 2 full days on many different works from Max Reger and Sigfrid Karg-Elert, both German late-romantic composers. = =20   I presented both the famous D-moll Tokkata and the D-major Fugue from Reger, as well as the first symphonic choral "ach bleib mit deiner Gnade" from Karg-Elert. For the two Reger works: as there were 2 other fellow-students of mine who had prepared these works, Lohmann took 2,5 hours to work on those two= pieces. =20 The comments and "Ratgebungen" he gave us, were quite remarkable. He is a man with an endless knowledge when it comes to this particular style of= music.   Also the Karg-Elert work took him a long time to finish his stream of words about it :-)   Yesterday night, he gave a recital on the university organ over here, in which he presented the following program: - Praeludium & fugue in a and Fugue in a-flat by J. Brahms - Weinen, klagen, sorgen, zagen (F.Liszt) - Variationen uber den basso continuo des ersten Satzes der Kantate "Weinen, klagen, zorgen, zagen" und des Crucifixus der H-moll Messe von J.S. Bach (also from Liszt) - Praeludium & Fugue in h, opus 129/8+9 (Reger) - Sonate nr. 2 (Hindemith) - Pr=E9lude et fugue sur le Nom d'ALAIN (Durufl=E9)   I especially enjoyed his very clear and clean way of playing. =20   I saw on his CV that he has been a guest-professor at Hartford University (Connecticut, USA). Is there anyone on the list who has known him there, or who knows him personally?   Cheers   Philippe Beullens Organist of the St. Agatha Church at Wilsele-Putkapel (Louvain, Belgium) Assistant-organist of St. Rombert's Cathedral at Malines (Belgium) ------------------------------------ooOoo------------------------------- Audenhovenlaan 77 - B-3190 BOORTMEERBEEK - Belgium Tel: 32-15-51.19.17 Fax: 32-15-51.80.52 E-mail: bulls.oil@tornado.be - URL:= http://www.tornado.be/~bulls.oil/index.html ------------------------------------ooOoo-----------------------------------= ---    
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC tonight! From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:33:10 -0500   If the snowstorm currently hitting the Province of Ontario Canada doesn't knock us off, we shall be once again chatting about organic matters, and other such subjects as we choose this evening from 9.00 pm EST.   We welcome all members of Pipechat-L to join us on Pipechat IRC.   Try it, you'll like it!   I hope that you AOL'ers sre allowed back on by Anothernet this week!   Bob Conway       Why is it when you turn on the TV you see ads for telephone companies, and when you turn on the radio you hear ads for TV shows, and when you get put on hold on the phone you hear a radio station?                
(back) Subject: DENNIS JAMES AT ATLANTA FOX TONIGHT From: MUSCUR@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:35:53 -0500 (EST)   Greetings from the "Fabulous Fox" here in Atlanta, GA where I'll be playing the famed "Mighty Mo" concert theatre pipe organ in in a few hours together with the silent film THE MERRY WIDOW (1925, MGM, dir. von Stroheim) as part of the Peachtree FIlm Festival. Tickets are selling well, and the program is being presented by the Turner Entertainment Co. as part of a package production, for we are currently also recording my organ solo score to the film for broadcast over Turner Classic Movies cable TV next year. We completed session number one and almost all of part one of the film early this morning following an all night session in the theatre. Performance is tonight at 7:30 p.m., and then back to recording. More to follow . . .   Dennis James (Musica Curiosa) ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Responses to job question From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:48 -0500   Kenneth, >depends upon which part of the water >glass your looking at.....   Optimist: the glass is half full Pessimist: the glass is half empty Realist: there's a crack in this damn glass!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos From: Bruce Behnke <behnke@isat.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 13:01:46 -0000   Stuart said, >If you haven't heard Bob Walker's, of WalkerTechnologies of Zionsville, >Pennsylvania, digital work , you really should -- his add-ons far surpass >anything   It sounds like the differences are is the instrument basically a pipe organ with a few extra digital sounds added for color or is it basically an electronic instrument with pipes added for ????? whatever reason. The only combo types we have here in Las Vegas are Rodgers and only have 4 foot prinicpal and 4 foot flute pipes. They are both quite dissapointing.   Although I am not fond of electronics, I can see the sales possibility of a basic pipe organ with 32 and maybe even 16 foot sounds coming from electronics as well as a battery of exotic reeds. My concern would be how well do the electronics and speakers age. Would the sound still be good say 15 to 20 years from now.   Anybody have any experience with a beast like this.   Bruce  
(back) Subject: playing five organs in a day! From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:01:09 -0500   I have heard of circuit-riding preachers; are you a circuit-riding organist or do you just eat alot of pizza! How did you luck into such a neat job? Do you have different sets of glasses for all of the different music rack distances? Sounds like lots of fun.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Pipe/electronic combo From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:37:51 -0800   Bruce said:   The only combo types we have here in Las Vegas are Rodgers and only have 4 foot principal and 4 foot flute pipes. They are both quite disappointing.   I can vouch for that statement. I visited a Lutheran church in Reno and played their organ. It was a Rodgers P/E combo, installed back when the mixing concept was relatively new. The resulting sound was horrid. It was cold and snowy outside, very warm inside the sanctuary. Despite using the tuning knob to get the electronics in tune with the pipes, it just didn't work. I ended up using the pipes only. I believe the pipe complement was four ranks, so I was able to achieve a decent sound.   Richard Wildhirt Renton Site Integration (425) 234-8051   "If your cause is just, if your principles are pure, and if your conduct is prudent, you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts." --John Witherspoon, signer of the Declaration of Independence, in a speech at the College of New Jersey (Princeton) on 17 May 1776  
(back) Subject: Guilbransen Theatre Organ From: NFexec@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:17:29 -0500 (EST)   I have a Guilbransen Rialto II that was built in 1976. It is in remarkably nice condition and is capable of producing some very acceptable t.o. sounds. However, it needs some help as it makes a startling crackling and static type sound periodically, it sounds like a gun shot when I turn it off, and it has a few other minor problems. It was also recently moved from my mother's house to mine (only about 10 miles) and ever since, the external Leslies don't work. Trouble is, I don't get much comfort in the responses I get from the few electronic organ repairmen I've reached. Does anyone know where I can reach someone who understands these instruments and can help me? (I live in the Cleveland, Ohio area) I'd really appreciate the advice. Thanks! Doug Powers  
(back) Subject: Re: Guilbransen Theatre Organ From: "Richard B. Ahlvin" <rahlvin@magnolia.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:34:34 -0600   NFexec@aol.com wrote: > > I have a Guilbransen Rialto II that was built in 1976. It is in > remarkably nice condition and is capable of producing some very acceptable > t.o. sounds. However, it needs some help as it makes a startling crackling > and static type sound periodically, it sounds like a gun shot when I turn it > off, and it has a few other minor problems. It was also recently moved from > my mother's house to mine (only about 10 miles) and ever since, the external > Leslies don't work. Trouble is, I don't get much comfort in the responses I > get from the few electronic organ repairmen I've reached. > Does anyone know where I can reach someone who understands these > instruments and can help me? (I live in the Cleveland, Ohio area) I'd really > appreciate the advice. Thanks! > Doug Powers > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org As of 10/94 Dave's Electronic Service 105 East Penn St. Hoopeston, IL 60902 Parts: 217-283-5010 Tech. Assist: 312-693-6262 Handled Gulbranses parts. I got a manual for the Rialto II from him. They were very helpful. I think the Rialto II is a troublesome unit. I picked one up from a music store at a flea market price a year ago. I haven't had time to fiddle with it much yet. Mine has many, many things wrong with it; and it looks like jack-legs have been working on it. I got the main organ going but still have a lot of work to do. I may be able to answer specific questions but I'm not really experienced in the Rialto II. My advice is to het a service manual and find an electronic whiz. The manual is complete and there is not a lot of realy peculiar stuff..just lots of it! It is a giant analog organ! P.S. First look for loose connectors for the Leslie hook-up there are zillions of connectors on that organ!   -- Richard B. Ahlvin  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos From: "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:44:33 -0500   November 14, 1997   I REPEAT ---- those of you who have not heard, IN PERSON, Bob Walker digitally recorded pipes. should do so-- it will change your opinion of what the newer electronics can do.. speakers ARE the limitation, of course--- the organ we have locally is all pipe on the Great , half pipe on the Swell, all digital in Choir and all digital except 16' principal in the pedal.Total 17 real ranks and 36 digital ranks. Always in tune ( ALL reeds are digital ---)creates a problem with any duo piano/organ work...although the electronic part of the organ can be tuned to anything, of course.   Further, you can add or change stops as needed, (have to add more amps and speakers if enlarging) and replacing speakers is EASY as compared to re-building pipes!!   Pipes always win, when well done...but the cost is about triple or more than digital equivelents>>>   Paul Stapel Binghamton, NY Sales Director, WICKS Organ Company, up-mid-state New York 607 773 1495 --    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos From: JTTUNER@webtv.net (james turner) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:51:09 -0500   Paul Stapel, you mentioned Bob Walker's digital pipes. Does his work include theatre organs? Also, does he make complete organs or just add to pipe organs? Are there any recordings avaiable of his work? What is he doing differently than Allen or Rodgers?