PipeChat Digest #135 - Monday, November 17, 1997
 
Re: See amid the Winter's snow.
  by <DaveW10140@aol.com>
Re: Looking for Conn Pipe
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
(no subject)
  by <Theo08610@aol.com>
Conn Pipe Market Value
  by <Theo08610@aol.com>
Re: Conn Organ Advice
  by Bill Ziegler <bill.datasound@juno.com>
Re: Looking for Conn Pipe
  by <JerryM8319@aol.com>
Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
Ideas for electronic classical home organ?
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Ideas for electronic classical home organ?
  by tom rishel <trishel@hhs.net>
13 pedals...
  by Patricia R. Maimone <patmai@juno.com>
(no subject)
  by <Theo08610@aol.com>
Re: 13 pedals...
  by Joe Elliffe <jelliffe@li.net>
THE MELBOURNE REGENT ORGAN (PART TWO).
  by Brian Pearson <bpearson@adelaide.on.net>
Re: Guilbransen Theatre Organ
  by <JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu>
Re: Ideas for electronic classical home organ?
  by Paul F. Stapel <pstapel@spectra.net>
Re: 13 pedals...
  by Paul F. Stapel <pstapel@spectra.net>
Re: 13 pedals...
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: See amid the Winter's snow.
  by Roger Brown <robrown@ozemail.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: See amid the Winter's snow. From: DaveW10140@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:03:50 -0500 (EST)   Actually nothing can compare to the Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field. Especially when the Packers are headed toward another Super Bowl. When the playing surface was replaced last year, people lined up for miles to pay for a chunk of Frozen Tundra.   Uhh... I want to mention organs so we don't get too far off topic. Last January after the super bowl, I ordered some organ brochures from our supplier, Eminent in Holland and put Titletown USA on the fax. Well, the secretary must have copied the address right off the fax. So, one day I get this package in the mail addressed to   AOB ORGAN CONSULTANTS INC 2325 Hock St Titletown USA   From Holland, no city, no zip code. I guess everyone in the post office knows where titletown is.   Dave W Titletown USA http://theatreorgans/aob  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Conn Pipe From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 11:25:02 -0500 (EST)   In a message dated 97-11-16 06:59:32 EST, you write:   > In the market for a center and middle set of Conn Electro-Pipes! Need > center,if others are not available.   What is the market value of the Conn Pipe speakers these days?   gene h  
(back) Subject: From: Theo08610@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:03:04 -0500 (EST)   ited the advice of many, including one of the engineers who help design the Conn sound reproducing system.   He recommend the 651 over the much newer 646 because the older version (analog) had a much warmer sound. The 646 was newer, (1983) this is the two manual version of the 653... midi and analog mixed. But, according to several others had an unpleasant edge or sharpness to the sound. I recieved about 8 emails regarding the question and ALL said go with the 651 (built 1973!)   There is a 646 for sale at Grafton Music in Sounderton PA, a burb of Philly and they wanted 6995. without additional tone cabinent. It does have more toys and more advanced technology... and looked very nice too, but I still went for the 651 with a Leslie 205.   Hope this helps, Keep in touch.   Ted 609-581-2722   PS: I can fax you spec sheets for the 651, 652 and 653. The 653 was the end of the line before Conn disappeared and they run about 9-10,000.00!!! Let me know.  
(back) Subject: Conn Pipe Market Value From: Theo08610@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:09:37 -0500 (EST)       Re: Market Value... The market appears to be between 100-200 per functioning set with excellent cosmetics.  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn Organ Advice From: bill.datasound@juno.com (Bill Ziegler) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:04:51 -0500   Hi!:   TAKE THE 651 ANALOG!!!   A much better deal and the parts are all available. The newer digital has many chips that go bad and are going to be hard to get soon. The 651 is a wonderful organ.!!!   Bill Ziegler, Owner Datasound     On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:21:39 -0500 (EST) Theo08610@aol.com writes: > > >IF you had to choose between a CONN 651 (3 manual, analog, c.1973) or >a CONN >646 (2 manual, digital, c. 1983) which would you choose. Both are >for sale >at the same price. > >Thank! THEO > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Conn Pipe From: JerryM8319@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:47:01 -0500 (EST)   The value of Conn Pipes today? Depends how badly someone wants to sell...anywhere from $25 to several hundred! Jerry  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe/Electronic Combos From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:51:42 -0500 (EST)   > Are there any recordings avaiable of his (Bob Walker) work?   The Casavant at St. Paul's, Augusta, GA has been recorded a couple of times. The entire Solo division, the Open Diapason on the Swell, and all three 32's are Walker stops. The first recording that I know of was of several works of Dupre. I forget the company, but it's one that's known (I recognized the name). I forget also the organist's name, but it was in conjunction with an effort to record the entire works of Marcel Dupre, headed by Wolfgang Rubsam. It may have been Nonesuch, but I'm not sure. Anyone who knows more about it, please fill me in. The second one is a CD recorded by my teacher, Keith Shafer which contains a bunch of Christmas music. It is number two in a series, the first which was recorded at St. Anne's Episcopal in Tifton, GA. It was sampled on Pipedreams last January, near Epiphany. It is very convincing work, and it's also very well backed by Walker, at least from what I have seen.       _____ | |_____ | || |_____ |Stephen || |_____ ______|F.P. Karr| || |_____ ______ |o o || || || || || |_____ | o o| | o o||Student Organist || || |_____ |o o | |o o || || || || || || || | | o o| | o o||Director of Music and Organist, | |o o | |o o || Bethlehem Lutheran Church|| | | o o| | o o|| || || || || || || | |o o | |o o || Aiken, SC || || || || | | o o| | o o| \ / \ / \U/ \S/ \A/ \ / \ / |o o | |o o | V V V V V V V | o o| | o o|_____________________________________|o o | |o o || E E | E E E | E E | E E E | E E | || o o| | o o||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_||o o |    
(back) Subject: Ideas for electronic classical home organ? From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:49:50   Hi, folks....   A dream of mine has been to have a classical instrument in my living room. Because of space limitations (and lack of time to maintain an instrument properly), I need an electronic. (Yes, the 651 (with two Conn pipe units) *may* be up for sale in the next year or so.)   What I'm looking for and can't seem to find through the Allen or Rodgers websites is a 3-manual drawknob (REAL drawknobs, not those lighted ones that are spring-loaded to return to a neutral position after being drawn) console with AGO pedalboard, and studio-oriented specs. I'm very impressed with the Rodgers 950, what I see on their page, but it's way too much organ for what I need. A smaller 3-manual model has rocker tabs, as does the Allen.   Are there other electronic organs I might be looking at that have the technology of Rodgers and Allen as far as MIDI and sampled sounds and yet could provide the kind of console I'm looking for?   Thanks to all.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas for electronic classical home organ? From: tom rishel <trishel@hhs.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:12:44 -0800   Shirley wrote: > > Hi, folks.... > > A dream of mine has been to have a classical instrument in my living room. > Because of space limitations (and lack of time to maintain an instrument > properly), I need an electronic. (Yes, the 651 (with two Conn pipe units) > *may* be up for sale in the next year or so.) > > What I'm looking for and can't seem to find through the Allen or Rodgers > websites is a 3-manual drawknob (REAL drawknobs, not those lighted ones > that are spring-loaded to return to a neutral position after being drawn) > console with AGO pedalboard, and studio-oriented specs. I'm very impressed > with the Rodgers 950, what I see on their page, but it's way too much organ > for what I need. A smaller 3-manual model has rocker tabs, as does the Allen. > > Are there other electronic organs I might be looking at that have the > technology of Rodgers and Allen as far as MIDI and sampled sounds and yet > could provide the kind of console I'm looking for? > > Thanks to all. > > --Shirley   Yes, I do believe that Johannus(www.johannus.com) might have what you are looking for. Take a look at their Prestige30. I'm not sure how much the organ costs. It's probably really expensive - but well worth it if you could afford it. -- /// |-|-|-|-|-|-|   . , -   { ^ } |   ~ -   tOm_rISheL |   (trishel@hhs.net)|-  
(back) Subject: 13 pedals... From: patmai@juno.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:02:26 -0500   No, I am not superstitious... Today I received a call asking me to teach a _very_ mature student, retired, at his home. The instrument, as described by his wife, is a Lowrey Parade model, for which they recently spent $10 K (or 10 grand, as we used to say..) When I asked if the keyboards were complete, she said that one seemed to be about 3/4 long and the other was also 3/4 length.. I then asked for the number of pedals.. First she said that it had four or so.. then she asked him to count them, and he reported 13...   Does he play the piano? I asked.. Oh, no... Does he play for church? No.. Does he _want_ to play for church?... No, just for himself... But he is _quite_ serious about it.. He has lots of time to devote to it.. She emphasized that he is not very mobile, when I suggested that they ask at the music store (about 40 minutes away..) where they had purchased the Lowrey.   I mentioned that I was getting ready to attend a concert at the Cadet Chapel.. even invited them to attend.. They live just "over the mountain" on the low road from West Point.. Somehow I did not see anyone at Scott Dettra's recital who filled the bill. Any helpful hints before I just say "No, thank you!"   Pat Maimone... wind chill 19 degrees in the Hudson Valley today.. ice flying about.. but at least there was no precipitation!  
(back) Subject: From: Theo08610@aol.com Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:29:31 -0500 (EST)   organ?         Shirley:   Sell your 651 ? I'm crushed.... :-(       Ted  
(back) Subject: Re: 13 pedals... From: Joe Elliffe <jelliffe@li.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:47:16 -0600   Many Senior Citizens are now taking up "learning to play the organ" I was amazed when I starting researching moving to Florida- In one of the local malls there are two organ stores and they are loaded with new and used organs and many many customers- In speaking to one of the salesmen they told me they the sales are fantastic -that all the Seniors are buying organs, taking lessons and trading up up up from the smaller spinets which you described to full size organs some with AGO pedalboard costing up to $50000 or more. I'm a thinking about starting to teach "Sr Citizens" when I relocate there next June- The new organs "play themselves" and the sr citizens of which I am now one love to "make music" with them. Most of the stores have tremendous lesson programs- this fellows mobility may be a problem for him- They don't usually provide home lessons- this I guess is done by outside people like us. My only regret will be having to sell my Allen MDS 5 organ which I love- I just don't have room for it in the new location-There are several churches right near me so I'll be able to sub and practice. Joe   Patricia R. Maimone wrote:   > No, I am not superstitious... Today I received a call asking me to teach > a _very_ mature student, retired, at his home. The instrument, as > described by his wife, is a Lowrey > Parade model, for which they recently spent $10 K (or 10 grand, as we > used to say..) > When I asked if the keyboards were complete, she said that one seemed to > be about 3/4 long and the other was also 3/4 length.. I then asked for > the number of pedals.. First she said that it had four or so.. then she > asked him to count them, and he reported 13... > > Does he play the piano? I asked.. Oh, no... Does he play for church? > No.. Does he _want_ to play for church?... No, just for himself... But he > is _quite_ serious about it.. > He has lots of time to devote to it.. She emphasized that he is not very > mobile, when I suggested that they ask at the music store (about 40 > minutes away..) where they had purchased the Lowrey. > > I mentioned that I was getting ready to attend a concert at the Cadet > Chapel.. even invited them to attend.. They live just "over the > mountain" on the low road from West Point.. > > Somehow I did not see anyone at Scott Dettra's recital who filled the > bill. > Any helpful hints before I just say "No, thank you!" > > Pat Maimone... wind chill 19 degrees in the Hudson Valley today.. ice > flying about.. but at least there was no precipitation! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: THE MELBOURNE REGENT ORGAN (PART TWO). From: bpearson@adelaide.on.net (Brian Pearson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:32:34 +0930   Those two men and a dog on the list who await my postings with bated breath may recall that I regretted that I could not be present at the first screenings in the Melbourne Regent for 27 years. WELL I WAS. HOORAY!!! A fellow member and volunteer usher at the Theatre Organ Society of South Australia's wholly owned Capri Theatre in Adelaide rang me on Thursday to request a swap of duty nights. I was on the train to Melbourne that night. Nearly five hundred miles of sitting up in a coach car (I couldn't justify the expense of a sleeper) lay ahead, with the prospect of the return journey on Saturday night. Was it worth it? YES!   Julien Arnold picked up Bruce Hester and me at Bruce's house and took us into the Regent via the stage door as part of the organ crew, so I didn't actually use the grand entrance of the theatre in Collins Street, though I cheerfully paid $27 for the leather clad D36 armchair in the Lounge for the actual show. In the meantime, I was privileged to hear Tony Fenelon running over the organ by playing snippets from his vast repertoire (which includes many full length classical orchestral works, as well as classical organ and popular music) to check that all was in order. It was.   To say that it was a thrill to see the console rise from the pit and to hear the music of the 4/36 Wurlitzer filling the theatre is an understatement. The 70mm MY FAIR LADY movie was fine, with more good music in its first twenty minutes than most modern musical theatre shows have in their full length, but the highlight for me and the other visitors from interstate who made long journeys to be there, to say nothing of the near capacity houses of Melbourneans, was undoubtedly the organ.   The clapping and cheering, the fifteen deep crowd who strained to be near the console during the fifteen minute playout after the movie, were proof, if ever it were needed, that organ music which aims to please DOES please. Perhaps the majority of those present had never really heard a theatre pipe organ before, and had the impression that organ music is for long-hairs. Well they know differently now. And don't think that Tony played down to them. They got quality music, played by a master of orchestration.   The organ sounded wonderful. We here in Adelaide are very proud of our world class instrument in the Capri. Now we can be pleased for our Victorian neighbours in having a very different organ of a similar high standard.   San Francisco's sad loss is Melbourne's (and Australia's) enduring gain.   Cheers, Brian.          
(back) Subject: Re: Guilbransen Theatre Organ From: JEKroep@hrn.bradley.edu Date: 16 Nov 1997 21:38:40 CST/CDT   PI>NFexec@aol.com wrote: PI>> PI>> I have a Guilbransen Rialto II that was built in 1976. It is in PI>> remarkably nice condition and is capable of producing some very acceptable PI>> t.o. sounds. However, it needs some help as it makes a startling cracklin PI>> and static type sound periodically, it sounds like a gun shot when I turn PI>> off, and it has a few other minor problems. It was also recently moved fr PI>> my mother's house to mine (only about 10 miles) and ever since, the extern PI>> Leslies don't work. Trouble is, I don't get much comfort in the responses PI>> get from the few electronic organ repairmen I've reached. PI>> Does anyone know where I can reach someone who understands these PI>> instruments and can help me? (I live in the Cleveland, Ohio area) I'd rea PI>> appreciate the advice. Thanks! PI>> Doug Powers PI>> PI>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PI>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics PI>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org PI>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org PI>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org PI>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org PI>As of 10/94 PI>Dave's Electronic Service PI>105 East Penn St. PI>Hoopeston, IL 60902 PI>Parts: 217-283-5010 PI>Tech. Assist: 312-693-6262 PI>Handled Gulbranses parts. I got a manual for the Rialto II from him. PI>They were very helpful. I think the Rialto II is a troublesome PI>unit. I picked one up from a music store at a flea market price a year PI>ago. I haven't had time to fiddle with it much yet. Mine has many, PI>many things wrong with it; and it looks like jack-legs have been working PI>on it. I got the main organ going but still have a lot of work to do. PI>I may be able to answer specific questions but I'm not really PI>experienced PI>in the Rialto II. PI>My advice is to het a service manual and find an electronic whiz. The PI>manual is complete and there is not a lot of realy peculiar stuff..just PI>lots of it! It is a giant analog organ! PI>P.S. First look for loose connectors for the Leslie hook-up there are PI>zillions of connectors on that organ!   PI>-- PI>Richard B. Ahlvin   PI>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PI>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics PI>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org PI>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org PI>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org PI>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Ideas for electronic classical home organ? From: "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:53:23 -0500   At 05:49 PM 11/16/97, you wrote:   >Are there other electronic organs I might be looking at that have the >technology of Rodgers and Allen as far as MIDI and sampled sounds and yet >could provide the kind of console I'm looking for? > >Thanks to all. > > --Shirley > >Shirly, Check out Church Organ Systems in baldwin, Wisconson..they bought the Baldwin organs and seem to have a done a good job for little money -- organs are made by another part of the Galanti family in Italy..wwe recently installed a 2 manual with extra amps and speakers and it is working very satisfactorly for less than $20,000.   Paul Stapel Larkin Music Binghamton, NY 607 773 1495    
(back) Subject: Re: 13 pedals... From: "Paul F. Stapel" <pstapel@spectra.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:03:10 -0500   At 07:02 PM 11/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >Any helpful hints before I just say "No, thank you!" > >Pat Maimone...   11/16/97   Pat,   In the course of my position as manager of a piano/music store and a small time organist, I have had many adults and a few very senior citizens who can't play, ask for lessons... I have found that they are really serious even though they lack talent ...in a nice but jocular way I tell them that "once we get over 29 it gets more difficult but if they are willing to try I will too". They try, sometimes move along nicely, others spend a few months and retire nicely with their pride intact and a lot more appreciation for the fortunates who can do it!!! One student (78) uses the piano to keep her arthritis at bay, another as a release from her psychiatric duties...most working adults have tremendous problems finding time to practice...and all take as much patience as any child ever needed.   You have to play part-friend, part strict-teacher, part therapist...if you have the time and could use the dollars, try it once or twice..   Paul Stapel    
(back) Subject: Re: 13 pedals... From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:33:39 -0500   Pat, If you have the time and you really enjoy teaching (including popular music), I would say give it a shot. When I lived close to a "country club" community years ago, I had several students presumably of the type you described. Some were bored golf-widows, others were retired folks who had always wanted to play the organ but didn't have the time while working. These people were great fun to teach. We would have monthly recital/parties in various homes with each person sharing their favorite songs and explaining their own particular home organ. They offered a great deal of intellectual stimulation for me, they practiced more than most of my young students, and they did not begrudge me my fees. Some students were even taking lessons as physical therapy for various muscular-type difficulties. The more I think about these people, the more wonderful memories come to mind. If you are extremely busy, you might discover that teaching such a person is like a paid vacation. There were times that I almost felt guilty for being paid to have so much fun (they also fed me very well on occasion). Well (yak yak) I guess I have made my point--take a chance, you might be very pleasantly surprised.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: See amid the Winter's snow. From: robrown@ozemail.com.au (Roger Brown) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:26:45 GMT   On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:32:17 -0500, Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> wrote:   > >What must 35 Celsius be like in mid-November! =20 > Somewhat annoying, if the bi-monthly organ tuning was done 3 days previously when the temperature was 15 degrees celsius.   Roger     Roger Brown robrown@ozemail.com.au http://www.ozemail.com.au/~robrown/