PipeChat Digest #146 - Thursday, November 27, 1997
 
Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays!
  by Kenneth O. Woods <kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil>
Another Movie Organ
  by Paul Opel <popel@sover.net>
Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays!
  by Bob Luderer <bobsled@nji.com>
Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays!
  by Dan Emery <dptech@networx.on.ca>
Prices of organs I'm Sorry if I offended anyone.
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
***Pedals for Piano***
  by <TheNEORG@aol.com>
Re: ***Pedals for Piano***
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays!
  by MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com>
Post from:  krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet)
  by <JBC708@aol.com>
Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays!
  by Roger <pamnroy@wolfenet.com>
Put this to bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Listen!!!!!!!
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Mario Lanza and "Guardian Angels"
  by Bob and Sally Evans <orgnloft@Ma.ultranet.com>
LIST BUSINESS --TURKEY'S and FL:AMING!  Everyone Read
  by Dr. Peter G. Pocock <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com>
Pete's Post- Everyone Read
  by KARL W KELLER <kwkeller@juno.com>
Re: LIST BUSINESS --TURKEY'S and FL:AMING!  Everyone Read
  by Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz>
Re: Beauty and the Beast/Such a fuss!
  by <MFulk70776@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays! From: kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil (Kenneth O. Woods) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 7:02:23 EST   > I myself think that they are so expensive because senior citizen > who still have Veterans money, Medicare, all these other things still > coming in, and more and more seniors want to take up some sort of music Whoa jr, you're showing your age. Lots of us seniors don't have the $$$ to buy what we want, even veterans like myself, although I have no idea why you think veterans have so much money. > Thanks for letting me vent. But I'll never fully be calmed down > until I get that instrument which probably still has my drool stains on > the bench, keyboards, etc... in my music room! > >     -- Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil  
(back) Subject: Another Movie Organ From: Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:48:59 -0400   My wife, home for Thanksgiving without me, just went to see 'Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil', Clint Eastwood's new movie, and reported to me that it has a great organ scene- one of the main characters plays to rid his place of vermin. Anyone seen it yet?   Paul   http://www.sover.net/~popel      
(back) Subject: Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays! From: Bob Luderer <bobsled@nji.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:08:47 -0500   Jason D Comet wrote: I saw an Allen Protege. (2 > manual tilt tablet, full fledged pedalboard.) The sales person, who saw > that I was there drooling over the instrument, came over and asked if he > could help me. I didn't answer, Then he asked again, that time I heard > him. I asked him with drool hanging out of my mouth how much this > GLORIOUS instrument was. Guess what he > replied..............................................................................................................................................................$100,000   You know, you could get a Pipe Organ for that, (actually less if ya get a "used" one and refurbish it). What are these idiots at allen organ thinking???   I have looked at digital keyboards since we need a decent MIDI instrument capable of doing piano sounds, touch sensitive etc. Ensoniq makes an MR76, (76 keys, weighted action, full after touch, 16 channel sequencer, plus expansion ports for extra, really fat sounds) for $2,500. (excluding a PA) now, I tried out the pipe sounds on it, and they are very nice. You can also get a 4meg flash ram card, go out and sample your favorite sounds as .wav or .aiff and turn them into keyboard accessible samples. PLUS the sound architecture is fully accessible from any computer. (at least windoze) Again this is for 2.5k.   So you buy that, plus an MIDI controller keyboard, PLUS a MIDI pedal board, and ya spend about 7k. Yeah I dont have it either, but you COULD do it in stages............not a real organ but hey!      
(back) Subject: Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays! From: Dan Emery <dptech@networx.on.ca> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 12:07:09 -0600   At 09:08 26/11/97 -0500, Bob Luderer wrote: >Jason D Comet wrote: > I saw an Allen ... > I asked him with drool hanging out of my mouth how much this > GLORIOUS instrument was. Guess what he > replied..................................................................... .................................$100,000 >   Jason ... everything sells for what the market can handle ... if no-one will pay $100,000 for this instrument the price will come down. I really doubt that it will come down to the point that it will end up in your (or my) music room. If they can get that money for it good for them ... capitalism at work here.   We all have to determine what we can spend on an organ. Believe me, I am as passionate about organs as you are. Ask this question: would you have bought that organ if it had been $80K or $40K? Probably not. I think that most of us have seen organs that make us drool ... and we all have a 'dream machine' in our minds (and hearts) but reality has forced us to buy what we can afford and house for our music rooms.   Get yourself an affordable practice instrument ... find a few dream machines in your area (or elsewhere) and find a way to occassionally play them. You'll have the best of both.   One more thought ... always keep working toward the one that makes you drool!  
(back) Subject: Prices of organs I'm Sorry if I offended anyone. From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:57:47 -0500   I'm sorry if I offended anyone about Like the Veterans funds of something along that way. I wasn't thinking. It was 10:00 at night, and I was angry because I had a bad day.   So, Again, I'm Sorry!     Jason Comet Krummhorn8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: ***Pedals for Piano*** From: TheNEORG@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:41:26 -0500 (EST)   Does anybody know of the company in Canada that produces AGO spec midi operated pedals for underneath pianos? They're used for practicing at home, and I believe I saw them at the AGO national convention last year.   Thanks,   Len   Len Levasseur The Organist tneorg@aol.com PO Box 747 http://www.tneorg.com Lawrence, MA 01842-1547 Fax:1-508-970-1133 Phone: 1-800-841-4030          
(back) Subject: Re: ***Pedals for Piano*** From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:59:20 +0000   TheNEORG@aol.com wrote:   > Does anybody know of the company in Canada that produces AGO spec midi > operated pedals for underneath pianos?   I believe they're the Syncordia folks, who also do the proportional pull-down magnets for key actions, and a super combination action system.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays! From: MFulk70776 <MFulk70776@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:36:48 EST   In a message dated 97-11-26 14:31:00 EST, you write:   << I myself think that they are so expensive because senior citizen who still have Veterans money, Medicare, all these other things still coming in, and more and more seniors want to take up some sort of music to do something with there time, so the companies are thinking: Oh! If we jack up the price a couple thousand ($100,000) we can make more and more money and jip these people off with so~so quality! >>   Horsefeathers.  
(back) Subject: Post from: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) From: JBC708@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:41:06 -0500 (EST)   I think the article that i copied this from is nothing less than flaming on the Veterans groups around the country and world for that matter. If this kind of thing is allowed then good bye group.   "I myself think that they are so expensive because senior citizen who still have Veterans money, Medicare, all these other things still coming in, and more and more seniors want to take up some sort of music to do something with there time, so the companies are thinking: Oh! If we jack up the price a couple thousand ($100,000) we can make more and more money and jip these people off with so~so quality!"   signed, a veteran who is not repeat NOT on welfare and plays regularly at the church where we attend. Good organs cost a lot because it costs a lot of money to build them. Not because of veterans or any other seniors. John Crouse JBC708@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Price of Instruments Nowadays! From: "Roger" <pamnroy@wolfenet.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:21:47 -0800   Here's a great tip on how to get a really great deal on one of these. Just wait a few years, the people that you are talking about usually don't hang around to keep playing them that very long after they have purchased them and their relatives have no idea what to do with that horrible thing.   In the mean time, they have had a great time fiddling with it and bragging about it. And some other people have been helped earning a job.     -----Original Message----- From: Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:15 PM Subject: Price of Instruments Nowadays!     > Have you ever gone down to the local music store and looked at >the prices of some of the organs that you really like? What's the price >range? Over at least $10,000. Have you ever looked at an upright piano? > at least $1,000 for a slightly used one. Now I'm not quoting any >prices. I'm only going by what I see myself. Don't even THINK about a >baby grand let alone a full size! > > I went to a "piano and organ warehouse" to return some band >Instruments that a community theater borrowed for a production. We >parked at the emergency exit and went around into the mall. The first >thing that I saw when I turned the corner, was a 3 manual, full fledged, >draw knob console. When I got closer, I saw that it was an Allen Digital > with about ~8~ speakers. Right next to that, I saw an Allen Protege. (2 >manual tilt tablet, full fledged pedalboard.) The sales person, who saw >that I was there drooling over the instrument, came over and asked if he >could help me. I didn't answer, Then he asked again, that time I heard >him. I asked him with drool hanging out of my mouth how much this >GLORIOUS instrument was. Guess what he >replied.................................................................... ............................................................................. ...............$100,000 >+ . Right then my dream was shot. Oh, how I would love to play it, but >unfortunately, they had a Workshop kind of thing going on right next to >the Protege. The salesperson said I could play it in about 45 minutes >after the people (NOTE THEY ARE ALL SENIOR CITIZENS THAT ATTENDED IT) >left. So, we walked around for about an hour, returned, and saw they >were still not gone. A different salesperson said that you would have to >wait for about another 40 minutes after they were finished having >refreshments right smack dab next to the instrument. (try about 3 feet >away) They finally dragged me away from it. > > The thing that gets on my nerves is WHY ARE THE PRICES OF THESE >KINDS OF THINGS SO EXPENSIVE. If they want a church that can't afford an >actual pipe organ to buy a $100,000+ instrument, WHY DON'T THEY DROP THE >PRICE A COUPLE OF $90,000 OR SO!!!!!!!! > > I myself think that they are so expensive because senior citizen >who still have Veterans money, Medicare, all these other things still >coming in, and more and more seniors want to take up some sort of music >to do something with there time, so the companies are thinking: Oh! If >we jack up the price a couple thousand ($100,000) we can make more and >more money and jip these people off with so~so quality! > > I would like an instrument for my house that would be a GREAT >practice instrument and not spend the price of an actual Pipe Organ. I >couldn't afford one of them instrument if I owned three houses that were >all insured, burnt 2 of them and saved the 3rd one to house it in!!!!! > > I don't expect people to reply to this one this time. But, If >you would like to add some input, please feel free to use this subject >title. > > Thanks for letting me vent. But I'll never fully be calmed down >until I get that instrument which probably still has my drool stains on >the bench, keyboards, etc... in my music room! > >Thanks! > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Put this to bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:21:23 -0500   I have been receiving MANY put down notes saying people were offended by the letter I wrote Yesterday. All I am going to say is this   I WAS WRONG OKAY! IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO PUT DOWN ANY ONE OR ANY THING! I WAS ONLY TRYING TO VENT MY FRUSTRATION! I DID NOT MEAN TO USE OUR VETERANS OR SENIOR CITZENS AS AN EXPAMPLE! WHAT I WAS PROBABLY TRYING TO SAY WAS THAT THE PRICES WERE EFFECTED BY PEOPLE NOT BUYING THEM IN THE QUANTITY THAT THE COMPANY WANTS TO SELL THEM. I WAS JUST SURROUNDED BY SO MANY PEOPLE YESTERDAY THAT I MUST HAVE SUB-CONSCIENCLY THOUGHT THAT THE PRICES WERE EFFECTED BY OLDER PEOPLE WHO !!!!!m!!!i!!!!g!!!!h!!!t!!!! HAVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY COMING TO THEM, AND WANT TO GET AN INSTRUMENT THAT THEY CAN DEPEND ON FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES AND POSSIBLY PASS ON TO THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN'CHILDREN. KIND OF LIKE A FAMILY HEIRLOOM OF THE 20-21 CENTERY.   No offence intended to the Veterans and Senior Citizens who play and contribute their time and energy to playing regularly in a church or churches.   Now, I'll bet someone will fin something to say about this letter. If you do, PLEASE keep it to your self. I have too many other things on my mind now.   Thank You all for understanding.   Jason Comet Krummhorn8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Listen!!!!!!! From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:00:43 -0500   >I think the article that i copied this from is nothing less than >flaming on >the Veterans groups around the country and world for that matter. If >this >kind of thing is allowed then good bye group.   >signed, a veteran who is not repeat NOT on welfare and plays regularly >at the >church where we attend. Good organs cost a lot because it costs a lot >of >money to build them. Not because of veterans or any other seniors. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listen,   I wrote another letter stating that I was wrong. I was VERY tired, had a bad day, and DID NOT mean to put any people down. I was only outraged at the prices. If you think that I have no appreciation for the Veterans or our USofA, your wrong. I have no intention of putting down people who fight/fought for our country. I was half asleep when I wrote the letter, and was not thinking clearly at that time. I have NOTHING against people who are on Welfare or any other thing(s) that make others think that they are a minority. I certainly don't think so. I have every possible appreciation for Veterans, and DID NOT mean to put that in. I was kind of brainwashed (if you'll allow that). So, If you'll take my appology with my greatest appreciation towards Senior Citizens and Veterans.   I am NOT making this up because don't want to be thrown off this list. I DO HAVE APPRECIATION FOR OUR VETERANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I could care less if I was thrown off the list. I have other people to talk to that are very open and are willing to listen to what I have to say and WILL NOT take anything I say personally.   Good Day!   JC  
(back) Subject: Mario Lanza and "Guardian Angels" From: orgnloft@Ma.ultranet.com (Bob and Sally Evans) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:58:16 -0500 (EST)       Happy Thanksgiving Listers,   A friend asked me to convey this question:   Does anyone out there have the music or know where one could obtain the music for a song called "Guardian Angels" sung on a late forties and early fifites album by Mario Lanza. The song was written by Harpo Marx..I've heard it..It's quite nice.   Any help would be appreciated.   Bob Evans   Bob's Wurlitzer Loft Swansea, MA Home of "Rochelle" the RJ-12 Wurlitzer Pipe Organ      
(back) Subject: LIST BUSINESS --TURKEY'S and FL:AMING! Everyone Read From: "Dr. Peter G. Pocock" <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:06:27 -0800   Well! I take a one day break from checking list mail (it is Thanksgiving and cooking what is on the agenda today). I was somehow thinking that as it was Turkey Day here in the US everyone would be nice to each other during the festivities! Nope! Alas, I was wrong!   Please remember our list rules. NO FLAMING UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I consider at least two of the recent postings to be approaching FLAMING. If you are unable to be nice to other people then please do not say anything, or send it to David or me as list owners, vent at us, but NOT, I repeat NOT, at the list. Yes, we are each entitled to our opinions, however, only if we can express them in a manner which is not offensive. Generally this list has been exceptional (at least in comparison to other lists) in our treatment of one another, please do not spoil our fine reputation in this arena.   For a complete list of our netiquette, guidelines etc. point your browser to http://www.pipechat.org/   Now back to my cooking for Turkey Day. Making a wonderful Australian desert called Pavlova (or should that be New Zealand desert -- I have never really been sure.) For those of you who are Aussies -- this one is a little different ~ (no fruit) Kahlua in the cream and topped with grated chocolate and a light rasberry sauce -- YUM !!! :):):) Ooopps... this list is about Pipe Otgans, not recipes YIKES....   Happy Thanks-Giving everyone (a time for giving Thanks for all we are blessed with.)   Pete!        
(back) Subject: Pete's Post- Everyone Read From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:32:04 EST   Come on Pete. Give us the recipe for Pavlova. Sounds great. I could eat this while playing "chopsticks" on the pedals.   Happy Thanksgiving to Pete and all list members.   Karl Musica est Dei donum optimi  
(back) Subject: Re: LIST BUSINESS --TURKEY'S and FL:AMING! Everyone Read From: ronniep@clear.net.nz (Ron Pearcy) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:21:42 +0000 (GMT)   Dr. Peter G. Pocock <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Now back to my cooking for Turkey Day. Making a wonderful Australian > desert called Pavlova (or should that be New Zealand desert -- I have never > really been sure.) For those of you who are Aussies -- this one is a > little different ~ (no fruit) Kahlua in the cream and topped with grated > chocolate and a light rasberry sauce -- YUM !!! :):):)   With kindest regards to our cobbers across the puddle, but to the best of my knowledge, Pavlova originated in New Zealand. Whatever, it sure is a very special desert, specially loved by those bountifully girthed .. .. who shouldn't! With best wishes for your festivities ..   Cheers Ronnie     -- -- ----- Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz> 17 Donegal Crescent, Greenswood, Greenmeadows, Napier, New Zealand -------  
(back) Subject: Re: Beauty and the Beast/Such a fuss! From: MFulk70776@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 02:06:58 -0500 (EST)     Oh, people!   Let us not make value judgements on trivia.