PipeChat Digest #101 - Sunday, October 12, 1997
 
Re: Concert postings
  by Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net>
Donald Pole's Bourdon
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Re: Question???????
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
organ concert
  by <JBC708@aol.com>
accidentally lost message.
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Re: Will the correct URL Address please stand up??
  by Richard Schneider <arpncorn@dave-world.net>
Re: Will the correct URL Address please stand up??
  by Roger Pariseau <grinder@west.net>
Re: Stadium Organ U.Va.?
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: accidentally lost message. - you found me
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Question???????
  by <Prestant16@aol.com>
Re: Stadium Organ U.Va.?
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
organ power supply problem
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Re: organ power supply problem
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: organ power supply problem
  by <NFexec@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Concert postings From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:24:13 -0400 (EDT)     Posted to BOTH PIPORG-L AND PIPECHAT.   On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Harry Heth wrote: > Hi, List, > When posting concerts and other happenings when a particular organ is > involved, the following information would be of interest, IMHO. > Organ Builder, Installation year, manuals, ranks, and any other brief notes > that would enlighten us.   Good idea -- sorry 'bout that.   This Sunday's concert by Peter Stoltzfus at the Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart in Newark, NJ, will feature mostly French Symphonic works played on the church's IV/154 10,000 pipe Schantz organ installed in 1953 and updated in the early 90's. It's a very eclectic instrument that's quite capable of playing the orchestral music of the French Symphonists. The concert is at 4pm, and there's a $10.00 suggested donation.   I plan on attending, so if you think you'll be there, drop me a note. :)      
(back) Subject: Donald Pole's Bourdon From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:45:33 -0400     To: Donald Pole(sorry for filling up wverbodies mailboxes, but I don't have his address.)   >The pipes are tuned to the low wind pressure. When the "loud" stop >is put on, and introduces higher wind pressure to the wind chest, a >pneumatic >motor is inflated and pivots up a row of metal shades in front of the >pipe >mouths. The distance from the shade to the pipe mouth is adjustable. >Thus, >the sharpening caused by higher pressure is cancelled by the >flattening effect >of the shades. ==================== I've never thought of that.   Jason Comet Krummhorn8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: Question??????? From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:42:00 -0400   >Does your spouse and children agree with you on this project? If >they do >get it in writing now! ================= Ha- Ha-Ha-Ha!!!! I'm sorry for laughing, but i'm only 14 11/12 years old, but have alot of ability to get certain things done in my church. ================ >Build a DOGHOUSE FIRST you will spend a great deal of the rest of >your >life in it anyways so you might as well get it set up to match your >dreamworld lifestyle. ================ You know, I may be in there after I get this project finished. It isn't my house, it is my church I'm "thinking" to get this in if it does get off it's feet. (ya, right!)   Jason Comet Krummhorn8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: organ concert From: JBC708@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:57:26 -0400 (EDT)   There was an organ concert scheduled in Cedar Rapids, Ia in Oct. I accidently deleted the info. Can you help me find out when it is. Thanks John  
(back) Subject: accidentally lost message. From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:53:11 -0400   Sorry for filling up everyone's mailboxes, but I accidentally deleted a messege from my folder.   If the person who said they had the two ranks of Leiblich Gedeckt for sale is reading this, please respond so I can get your e-mail address in my address book.   Once again, Sorry.   Thanks in advance, Jason Comet Krummhorn8@juno.com |\ | \ O  
(back) Subject: Re: Will the correct URL Address please stand up?? From: Richard Schneider <arpncorn@dave-world.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 13:16:04 -0700   Good Saturday Afternoon:   Please forgive the corss-posting, but awhile back, someone posted about some MIDI things that were available on the Theatre Organ Home Page.   I "took a stab" at modifying the URL Address to reflect the change in Server Domains that Jerrell Kautz, keeper of the Theatre Organ Home page, has recently effected. However, I did this, based on how he has changed my Home Page. Apparently, it doesn't work for everything!! The following message was recieved reflecting that fact:   ======================begin forwarded message:=========================== Jim Duane wrote: > Richard Schneider, > > The new URL doesn't work, please try again. > Thanks   ==========================to which "Arp" Resonds:========================   Jim,   I don't know all of the html codes for Jerrell's re-organization of the Theatre Organ Home page. He keeps changing things!! To just get into the Theare Organ Home Page use:   http://theatreorgans.com   From there, there is always an index.   There is a builder's index at the following:   http://theatreorgans.com/indx3.htm   Since the question pertained to MIDI, I followed one of the links and came up with the following:   http://theatreorgans.com/cmos/   The main point is: everything that has to do with theare organs is NO LONGER ON WCBI.COM, so please everyone, eliminate that from your Bookmark Directories.   I hope that this helps alleviate some confusion. Jerrell is extremely busy these days, but I trust he will see this foundling posting and come to everyone's rescue, before I lead too many souls down the wrong Garden Paths (Patches??)   Faithfully, / ^ ^ \ { (O) (O) } --------oOOOo--------U-------oOOOo------------   "Arp in the Corn Patch"   EMAIL: mailto:arpncorn@dave-world.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Will the correct URL Address please stand up?? From: Roger Pariseau <grinder@west.net> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:32:42 -0700   Richard Schneider wrote:   > Since the question pertained to MIDI, I followed one of the links and > came up with the following: > > http://theatreorgans.com/cmos/   For those who elect to visit this site, why are your opinions of Michael J. Starke's efforts? His "Trio Sonata in D" opens with the page and, if you scratch around that site some, you'll find a wealth of stuff he's either MIDI-fied or written.   -- Roger Pariseau - grinder@west.net --------------------------------- "Not only do we learn from the mistakes of others, but we also learn that it is wiser to enthrone and follow principles than it is to enthrone and follow people." -- Marilyn Vos Savant  
(back) Subject: Re: Stadium Organ U.Va.? From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:04:56 -0400 (EDT)   Actually, the organ was not in the football stadium. It was installed in an amphitheatre. The organ, now destroyed by the ravages of time, weather, and the Secret Service, student life, et al. was built by M P Moller. The stories I have heard from thoese that were there is that you could hear the organ a half mile away when played at full organ.   Rick Maryman Staunton, VA  
(back) Subject: Re: accidentally lost message. - you found me From: RMaryman@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 19:12:21 -0400 (EDT)   Jason -   Here is my mailing address ;   RMaryman@aol.com   do you need for me to re-send the message? I kept a hard copy of both your inquiry and my reply, and I think that I could re-post the message if it has not been blitzed from the AOL auto-archives. (I don't know 'zactly how many old messages it keeps, it may be time-sensitive, but I am sure that if I need to I could re-post either from AOL archives or by re-typing.   Rick Maryman  
(back) Subject: Re: Question??????? From: Prestant16@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:35:12 -0400 (EDT)   You can put anything you want anywhere and whatever kind of voicing you want and whatever pressure you want if it will fit. The question would be "Would it sound good?"   Here is a rule to go by for space:   No two objects can occupy and singe space at a given time.   The problem with craming too much stuff into a space can be seen in many old Reiger stock model organs. Having pipes too close together makes them go out of tune very easily, makes the pipes hard to tune, and has many speech problems.   Assuming you want a practice insturment for a home, then put what you need into it. I have learned that if you try to build somthing larger than you NEED you will end up realizing that it would be easier to build the right size insturment in the first place.   My example:   I am working on a home practace organ. I have some chests, pipes, and almost all the parts to build it. It has been designed to be used as a practice insturment and as a recital insturment. I'd love a III/60 insturmnt but i don't have the money to build one. You will see that the smaller organs can be much more fun to build and pick out the stop list. The stoplist is where the fun is. This is what I do: I type out the specification of the organ of my dreams, usually III/90, the I eliminate stop by stop what I DON'T need to about III/20 or II/16 whatever. The result is a perfectly well rounded insturment that can do what I need. But never try to cram more stuff into the organ than is physically possible.   William Catanesye  
(back) Subject: Re: Stadium Organ U.Va.? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 20:09:15 -0500 (CDT)   At 07:04 PM 10/11/97 -0400, Rick Maryman wrote: >The stories >I have heard from thoese that were there is that you could hear the organ a >half mile away when played at full organ.   According to a letter of Dardanus reprinted in Migne, *Patrologiae Cursus Completus*, xxx, 219, there was an organ (hydraulus) in Jerusalem around the year 400 that could be heard from the Mount of Olives, a Roman mile away (about 2/3 English mile.) So the Roman amphitheatre organs seem to have been just as loud or even louder than twentieth-century stadium organs!   John.    
(back) Subject: organ power supply problem From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:10:54 -0400   I had my lesson today at 3:00. I was going through my second hymn for sunday. I was "polishing-up" a phrase, when I noticed the lights go off and then come back on. Right after that, I went to play a chord and no sound. I turn to Sue, and go "Now why is there no sound?". I noticed the signal light was off. Then I said to her, "I think you better turn the instrument off." She said "Why?". I said the organ was off. She ran to the console and turned the key to the off position. (Just thinking about it starts me shaking again.) Then we stood there for about 5 minutes, until she said, "Lets finish the lesson in the chapel" [a two manual Conn electronic organ (circa 1940~50)]. After we decided to stop, I heard a "click" and saw the lights flicker. I asked her if she saw it, and she replied with a no. Then it happened again, and this time she saw heard and saw it with me. I followed the sound outside the chapel doors. I asked her what was under here. The furnaces. (I'm getting off the topic) when we went back to try the organ, and I heard it again. Since then, the organ hasn't gone off (I don't think) yet. She was as scared as I was. She got it started, and stood there for about 5 more minutes, then said she doesn't want to leave it alone, not even for a minute. So, she had me stay with it for a couple of minutes while she went to the bathroom. I don't know how it's doing now. But, I can tell you one thing, I WAS SCARED!   I want to ask all of you one question, WHY DOES THAT DO THAT!!!???   It scares me for some reason. It's scary. I wonder if the other organ in town on the same circuit did the same?   If any one can help me figure this "phenomenon" out, I would greatly appreciate it.   Thanks,   Jason Comet Krummhorn8@juno.com |\ | \ O   (I'm not in the mood for any smiley faces right now)  
(back) Subject: Re: organ power supply problem From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:07:21 -0500 (CDT)   At 09:10 PM 10/11/97 -0400, Jason Comet wrote: >I had my lesson today at 3:00. I was going through my second hymn for >sunday. I was "polishing-up" a phrase, when I noticed the lights go off >and then come back on. etc.   This is normal. If there is a problem with the electrical supply that causes a voltage drop (e.g. the branch of a tree against a power line or ice causing a short circuit, or something of that kind), the system is programmed to cut off briefly and then come back on again. If thing are not quite right then, it is programmed to go off again for a slightly longer period and then come back on again. If things are still not right it goes off a third time and stays off until someone at the utility company does something about it. (I have this from one of our parishioners who is an electrical engineer and works for our utility. I had been puzzled about similar phenomena here.) So I suspect that you had been experiencing something of this kind at your church. I also suspect that if you had pressed the "on" button you would have been back in business!   John.      
(back) Subject: Re: organ power supply problem From: NFexec@aol.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT)   Without knowing exactly what electronics are in your instrument, it may be difficult to answer this problem. I would suggest that it may be either a circuit breaker in the building or, more likely, in the rectifier or power supply of the organ. If the organ has some kind of solid state relay/control system, I would check its power supply (ies) and any fuses. It probably is not a serious condition. But if you have a weakened fuse or circuit breaker, or other condition, it not only could happen again, but it could change from an intermittant problem to a permanent one (until the damaged part(s) are replaced). If you have a computer controling the "relay" system, then you may have experienced a brown out or partial voltage drop. If so, check the computer operation out immediately. Anyone having a computer controling their organ should absolutely have a high quality surge protection system and an uninterruptable power supply (UPS). Good luck - let us know what happened if you ever find out!