PipeChat Digest #112 - Friday, October 24, 1997
 
Choir Query
  by <javan@fnet.friendlynet.com>
new CD's
  by Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net>
PIPECHAT ADMINISTRIVIA -- PLEASE READ!  List Procedures,  Commands and Di
  by Dr. Peter G. Pocock <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com>
Re: new CD's
  by <Ronnymn@aol.com>
Re: new CD's
  by Nelson and Tracy Denton <ndenton434@bigwave.ca>
Re: new CD's
  by <Giwro@aol.com>
Pensacola Chapter's New Web Site
  by David Scribner <david@blackiris.com>
Re: New CD's
  by Jim Zimmerman <zimmerman@chem.purdue.edu>
Purvis "Ton-Y-Botel"
  by Karl E. Moyer <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Lost organ
  by Wildhirt, Richard <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com>
Organ pumpers
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: new CD's
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: New CD's
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Organ pumpers
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
 


(back) Subject: Choir Query From: javan@fnet.friendlynet.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:29:20 -0500   One of my choir members is looking for recordings of a choral group. She says they are associated with a church, probably in the Southwest, she thinks they have a female director, they tour, and have sung on radio and tv, sing in other languages, besides the common ones of Latin, German and English, and are FABULOUS. Of course, she can't remember the name of the group. Does anyone know the group she's thinking of?????   Private replies are welcome!   Jane Van Valkenburg First Presbyterian Church Findlay, OH   JAVan@fnet.friendlynet.com     ******Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not be bent out of shape.******      
(back) Subject: new CD's From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:47:05 -0400 (EDT)     Well, I just got a shipment from Columbia House. Among other CD's I got three organ CD's:   Pachelbel: Music for Organ -- performed by Werner Jacob on the 1833 Joseph Callinet organ in Mollau, Alsace. It's nice to finally hear some other baroque music that's not Bach -- until now I've only owned Bach organ works and some Widor and Vierne. It's a nice album.   Franck: The Complete Masterworks for Organ -- performed by Michael Murray on the Organ at Saint Sernin. Double CD. Get this CD. Just get it. At the moment I'm more of a German baroque fan, but this is a fantastic album.   Bach: Four Great Toccatas and Fugues -- performed by E. Power Biggs on the four antiphonal organs of the Cathedral of Freiburg. What a switch from the Flentrop! This is my third Biggs album (the first two being "Great Organ Favorites" and "Great Preludes and Fugues Vol. II", both on the Flentrop). I love the Flentrop, but this album really gives a very different flavor to the music, and Biggs sounds much more like Virgil Fox here because of all the registration changes and antiphonal capabilities of the four organs. It's neat to compare the pieces that he did on the Flentrop with these. Another great album.   Well, that's it for now. I'm still anxiously awaiting my Mormon Tabernacle/Handel's Messiah double CD. :)   -Adam        
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(back) Subject: Re: new CD's From: Ronnymn@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:09:50 -0400 (EDT)   Your exuberence turns me to share my newest CD. jean-Jaques Beauvarlet-Charpentier's Journal d'Orgue performed by a Jan Van Mol (unfamiliar to me) on the Monastery Church Organ of Mouzon. If you like French Baroque, you'll like it. If you dont like French Baroque, youll like it anyway. It was interesting to me that this composer succeeded Daquin and later shared on a quarterly basis the organ at Notre Dame with A. L. Couperin, Balbastre and a Sejan (?). While I lack the knowledge to appreciate it, the insert states that the wind is fed by four wedge-bellows without any fan-blowers. Would someone care to comment on whether this is of musical as opposed to historical significance? Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: new CD's From: Nelson and Tracy Denton <ndenton434@bigwave.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:16:39   At 11:09 AM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: While I lack the knowledge to >appreciate it, the insert states that the wind is fed by four wedge-bellows >without any fan-blowers. Would someone care to comment on whether this is of >musical as opposed to historical significance? Ron   Who was it? Audsley or Barnes who quoted a friend who said that. . .   "When the organ pumper was replaced with a mechanical device for winding an organ all human contact with a pipe organ was lost?"   +(;-P)))))) Nelson E. Denton R. A. Denton and Son Pipe Organ Builders Hamilton Ontario Canada  
(back) Subject: Re: new CD's From: Giwro@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:45:38 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-10-23 12:19:03 EDT, you write:   << While I lack the knowledge to appreciate it, the insert states that the wind is fed by four wedge-bellows without any fan-blowers. Would someone care to comment on whether this is of musical as opposed to historical significance? Ron >>   I don't have the precise knowledge some of our builders on this list do, but I know enough about physics to tell you that a blower sets up certain types of turbulence, and that could undoubtedly effect the sound. The untrained ear is not likely to be able to detect it, but to a good voicer/organbuilder or an organist who has experience on a wide variety of instruments it might make a difference.   Jonathan  
(back) Subject: Pensacola Chapter's New Web Site From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:41:13 -0500   The Pensacola Chapter, AGO is proud to announce its new Web Site at   http://www.pensacola-ago.org   Please stop by and visit us.   David   ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: Re: New CD's From: Jim Zimmerman <zimmerman@chem.purdue.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:54:47 -0500   Delurking....   Speaking of new CD's, I have to take the opportunity to plug the "Dorothy Over the Rainbow" disk available from Pro Organo. The disk features Dorothy Papadakos at St John the Divine. I know this disk has been plugged before here and on the Piporg-L list. But, I can't say enough great things about it. The music, the organist, the organ, the sound! Wow! This one deserves a grammy nonimation!   And now, a question: Does anybody have any opinions on the 5-disk Buxtehude set that BMG has been offering? It is advertised as Rene Saorgin (sp?) playing Schnitger organs. Sounds neat, but is it worth plunking down the $40.00?   BTW everyone, I'm subbing again in another week. This will be the third time. Many thanks again to all of you who offered your encouragement and kind advice a few months ago. I'm also preparing for my first wedding next spring.     ** Jim Zimmerman zimmerman@chem.purdue.edu **    
(back) Subject: Purvis "Ton-Y-Botel" From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT)     After lots of years away from it, I'm playing Purvis' chorale prelude on "Ton-Y-Botel" on Sunday just before we sing it as the opening hymn. It's the first item in _Chorale Preludes on Tunes Found in American Hymnals_, a long-ago publication.   Question: on p. 10, last system, bar 3: I see a d'-flat in the left hand I'd never noticed years ago. The quasi-parallel passage two bars later does not have this d'-flat but an e'-flat instead. Given that the d-flat takes a specific chromatic mark, one might assume it'scorrect. Yet, I wonder if it's a printing error.   Anyone's "authorative" comment on this would be gratefully received. Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Lost organ From: "Wildhirt, Richard" <Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:18:30 -0700   I was going through my old LP's the other day and stumbled across an old recording of Jonas Nordwall. One side was recorded at the Organ Grinder in Portland, Oregon, and the other side at the Organ Grinder in Denver.   I know what happened to the Portland Grinder and its instrument. What happened with the Denver organ? Someone please bring me up to date. Thanks.   Richard Wildhirt Renton Site Integration (425) 234-8051   "If your cause is just, if your principles are pure, and if your conduct is prudent, you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts." --John Witherspoon, signer of the Declaration of Independence, in a speech at the College of New Jersey (Princeton) on 17 May 1776  
(back) Subject: Organ pumpers From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:47:14 -0400   I remember doing some research through the records of a redundant church and was amused at the Vestry minutes which recorded the request by the organist for 5-cents weekly to pay the boy to come in on Saturday to pump so that the organist could practice. The Vestry refused the request. The following month, there was a reprimand by the Vestry to the organist for swiping candy from the rector's desk to pay the boy to come in on Saturday to pump during practice. The more things change, the more they stay the same!!!   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: new CD's From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:02:59 -0400   The turbulence varies from instrument to instrument, but try hold a treble note on a clear stop like a Rohrflute; chances are you'll be able to hear the turbulence. Once you have learned to hear it, it becomes automatic. I remember hearing this in my youth on the high pressure beast of my childhood, but later (actually recently) had this demonstrated on an instrument that had manual pumping as well as electrical wind supply. It was quite a revelation.   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: New CD's From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:22:21 -0400   Congratulations on your subbing career. I presume that you are preparing to PLAY for your first wedding next spring!!   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ pumpers From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:17:32 -0400   Don't knock it guys! I am probably one of the few remaining organ blower boys! We didn't get paid for it either, ours was a penance, of sorts!   In the mid thirties, at St. Matthew's church, London, (blown to bits by Hitler's bombs during the Second World War), I had the honour of being one of the choir trebles there. The Choirmaster and Organist was a Dr. Bolter, whose main interest in life was to watch the choirboys during the sermon at both the Sunday services, and the one that he deemed the most unruly was designated the following week's organ pumper!   This entailed four appearances in the role, an organ practice session, the regular Friday Choir practice, and the two services on the Sunday. As one of the choir's most obvious boys for fooling about, I was very often asked to blow the organ! However, it also meant the you never had to do it two weeks in a row, for Dr. Bolter couldn't see what you might be getting up to in the organ room.   My favourite way of getting my own back was to keep the wind level at the "just about enough" pressure, and wait for hin to pull all the stops for the last verse of the last hymn! He would regularly do this, and curse profusely as the wind sagged enough to make the rather flat! (And sing out during the flat sound, "Sorry Sir, I didn't know you wanted full organ").   All the same, there wasn't a choirboy in St. Matthew's that didn't like Dr. Bolter, and when we lost the job of having to blow the organ, after they put in an electric blower, we liked him all the more! Eventually, I became Head Boy, Decani, and got to sing some wonderful solos, 'a la' Ernest Lough,. I really believe that I could remember all the notes and words for "Oh, for the Wings of a Dove" to this day!   Just an old man remembering "the way it was".   Bob Conway.   At 11:47 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote: >I remember doing some research through the records of a redundant church >and was amused at the Vestry minutes which recorded the request by the >organist for 5-cents weekly to pay the boy to come in on Saturday to >pump so that the organist could practice. The Vestry refused the >request. The following month, there was a reprimand by the Vestry to >the organist for swiping candy from the rector's desk to pay the boy to >come in on Saturday to pump during practice. The more things change, >the more they stay the same!!! > >Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) >University United Methodist Church > and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville >Florida >Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >