PipeChat Digest #117 - Wednesday, October 29, 1997
 
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by Dr. Edward Peterson <epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com>
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by K. M. Horvath <kmhorvat@wcnet.org>
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: BISH--BASH
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: records and music (fwd)
  by E. Margo Dillard <emd0002@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Bish Bash/Bash Bish
  by <rnickel@itol.com>
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org>
IRC - The LAST WORD!
  by Dr. Peter G. Pocock <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com>
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: BISH--BASH
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: IRC Chat tonight
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com (Dr. Edward Peterson) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:10:50 -0500   On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:09:15 -0000, "Richard Scott-Copeland" <organist@interalpha.co.uk> wrote:   >All I can say is (with reference to below) If a computer programmer with >all this knowledge can't understand it, then Christ help the rest of us >poor gits!   Why on earth cannot you "poor gits" 'git' this? It is virtual simplicity itself. Ten-year-olds (or less) have figured it out!   1) You will need a *real* computer. 2) You will need somebody's IRC programme - they are very small and take little room on the HD (that's hard drive, for the clewless). 3) You will install the IRC programme on your HD (see above). Put an icon on your desktop (if you play that game).   Next:   4) You will need an ISP (Internet Service Provider); some of the "services" do not allow IRC connexions - they tie up lines, etc.   <READ THAT SENTENCE AGAIN UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND ITS MEANING>   If that is *your* service provider, you are outta luck. You can't "do" IRC and there is nothing you can do about it (until you get a real Inet connexion).   5) You connect to your ISP;   6) You call up the IRC programme (click the icon); the info screen appears and then you answer two *simple* questions:   a) what is the server you want? that has been mentioned here. <click it in or type it in>   b) you tell that server which "chat area" you want to join. <click it in or type it in>   (These latter two can be added to the programme's option boxes and you no longer even have to think at all.)   Once you have joined the group, you will see text scrolling by on your screen. Those of you who can, should read it; then, if there is anything you wish to say, you merely type it into your keyboard and press <enter> and Lo! the text goes to everyone else who has been clever enough to figure this out. The others will either read it or ignore it, perhaps even respond and greet you, answer your question, or continue on with their previous "conversations."   It is not terribly confusing to catch onto the scene, but it is important to realise that many people *could* be carrying on conversations one-on-one whilst at the same time others are addressing the group. Like a cocktail party, there could be many conversations going on at once. The prudent person does not try to carry on his own conversation and simultaneously eavesdrop (although everyone can read and eavesdrop if they wish). It occasionally gets rather "hairy" keeping track - but soon enough it will all sort itself out. Like the party, people come and they go (or their service "knocks them off" for one reason or another). You just re-connect and start again, applying items 'a' and 'b' above.   When you have had your fill, you tweak the "disconnect from server" button and go about your business.   What is it in all of this that remains so cryptic that some folks can't grasp it??   Dr.Ed (up to *here* with clewless newbies - RTFMS!)    
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:39:05 -0500   From Bob Conway   I do find it hard to understand why Richard Scott-Copeland finds it so very hard to get on to Internet Relay Chat (IRC).   Thanks, Dr Ed, for helping out. Here are a few extra pointers for 'newbies"   You can go to the mIRC or the Pirch Web page to download your IRC software. I use mIRC, but others use Pirch and get on fine with it. This is for a PC running Windows 95, - I know nothing about Macs, you are on your own if you have a Macintosh!   You must have an Internet Service Provider, - which I am sure that you do, otherwise you would not be able to post to the Pipechat-L. Your ISP must also support an IRC connection, - as Dr. Ed points out, some will not allow IRC connections, - if that is the case, change to an ISP that does allow it.   Having got all that out of the way, #Pipechat IRC is to be found on the Server called AnotherNet, and we are one of the channels contained within AnotherNet. If you do not find us in the listed channels, do as Dr. Ed says and type in the empty box above the channels list: #pipechat   That should get you into the chat, - but remember that we only are online on Mondays and Fridays at 9.00 pm EST, which is 2.00 am in the UK.   Go on! Try it, you'll like it!   Bob Conway.   At 06:10 AM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:09:15 -0000, "Richard Scott-Copeland" ><organist@interalpha.co.uk> wrote: > >>All I can say is (with reference to below) If a computer programmer with >>all this knowledge can't understand it, then Christ help the rest of us >>poor gits! > >Why on earth cannot you "poor gits" 'git' this? It is virtual >simplicity itself. Ten-year-olds (or less) have figured it out! > >1) You will need a *real* computer. >2) You will need somebody's IRC programme - they are very small and >take little room on the HD (that's hard drive, for the clewless). >3) You will install the IRC programme on your HD (see above). Put an >icon on your desktop (if you play that game). > >Next: > >4) You will need an ISP (Internet Service Provider); some of the >"services" do not allow IRC connexions - they tie up lines, etc. > ><READ THAT SENTENCE AGAIN UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND ITS MEANING> > >If that is *your* service provider, you are outta luck. You can't "do" >IRC and there is nothing you can do about it (until you get a real Inet >connexion). > >5) You connect to your ISP; > >6) You call up the IRC programme (click the icon); the info screen >appears and then you answer two *simple* questions: > > a) what is the server you want? that has been mentioned here. > <click it in or type it in> > > b) you tell that server which "chat area" you want to join. > <click it in or type it in> > >(These latter two can be added to the programme's option boxes and you >no longer even have to think at all.) > >Once you have joined the group, you will see text scrolling by on your >screen. Those of you who can, should read it; then, if there is >anything you wish to say, you merely type it into your keyboard and >press <enter> and Lo! the text goes to everyone else who has been clever >enough to figure this out. The others will either read it or ignore it, >perhaps even respond and greet you, answer your question, or continue on >with their previous "conversations." > >It is not terribly confusing to catch onto the scene, but it is >important to realise that many people *could* be carrying on >conversations one-on-one whilst at the same time others are addressing >the group. Like a cocktail party, there could be many conversations >going on at once. The prudent person does not try to carry on his own >conversation and simultaneously eavesdrop (although everyone can read >and eavesdrop if they wish). It occasionally gets rather "hairy" >keeping track - but soon enough it will all sort itself out. Like the >party, people come and they go (or their service "knocks them off" for >one reason or another). You just re-connect and start again, applying >items 'a' and 'b' above. > >When you have had your fill, you tweak the "disconnect from server" >button and go about your business. > >What is it in all of this that remains so cryptic that some folks can't >grasp it?? > >Dr.Ed (up to *here* with clewless newbies - RTFMS!) > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: "K. M. Horvath" <kmhorvat@wcnet.org> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:23:27 -0800   Dr. Edward Peterson wrote: >   > > Why on earth cannot you "poor gits" 'git' this? It is virtual > simplicity itself. Ten-year-olds (or less) have figured it out! > >   > > > > What is it in all of this that remains so cryptic that some folks can't > grasp it?? > > Dr.Ed (up to *here* with clewless newbies - RTFMS!) > Well, Dr. Ed., it might be the fact that that's the first time some of us have seen a complete explanation of IRC.   Thank you.  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:41:11 -0500   At 07:23 AM 10/28/97 -0800, K.M. Horvath wrote:   >Well, Dr. Ed., it might be the fact that that's the first time some of >us have seen >a complete explanation of IRC. > >Thank you.   From Bob Conway:   This has been discussed time and time again. - truthfully! However, if you have not been reading the previous posts I am glad that Dr. Ed has been able to help   Here are the URL's for mIRC and Pirch:   mIRC: http://www.mirc.co.uk/   Pirch: http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~frappa/pirch.html   Both taken just this minute from their Web pages. You can download the software from either of them.They are both free, and both require Windows 95. There may be Mac versions, I haven't looked as I do not use a Mac.   Anything else you need to know, - just ask!     Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Organic DeeJay Emeritus, - but back for this Session! CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA    
(back) Subject: Re: BISH--BASH From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:55:59 -0500 (EST)   In a message dated 97-10-27 16:36:31 EST, you write:   << Well David, at least she was honest. I wish a whole lot of other composers would make the same admission. Hope you will agree that Ms. Bish is one darn fine organist. I'd cut off my hands if I could play as well as her. Karl >>     Boy, that's inefficient!!! :-)   Vicki  
(back) Subject: Re: records and music (fwd) From: "E. Margo Dillard" <emd0002@jove.acs.unt.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:29:22 -0600 (CST)   Bill Ryan has recovered from his illness and has begun the large sale of recordings and sheet music which he told us he was planning some time ago. He has changed internet providers and has not yet resubscribed to the lists. He asked me to forward this announcement to you all. He has put together a collection of thousands of sheet music titles from the 1880's to the 1970's.   Even if you aren't interested in the sale, consider dropping him a line. I'm sure he'd love to hear from all of you after so many months being "out of commission". His new e-mail address is: oldtimemus@aol.com   Thanks on his behalf, Margo   Here's his message:     ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:39:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Oldtimemus@aol.com To: emd0002@jove.acs.unt.edu Cc: Oldtimemus@aol.com Subject: Re: records and music   Oldtimemus@aol.com is having one of its six internet and mail auctions of sheetmusic for piano and organ, from now till November 15. It is a company registered in the State of New York, which offers a large size auction, usually of 2500 or more sheets of piano music, and runs a sale of rare items monthly for those who purchase a deductible $6.00 catalogue. The cost of the catalogue just covers the printing and mailing to anyone interested in sheet music, reed organs, player pianos, Edison cylinders, cylinder players, morning-glory horns, mechanical music devices,and the like. The address there is "The Backroom Piano", P.O.Box 1, Castleton, NY 12033-0001. The owners there are founding members of the ATOS, the Reed Organ group , and areactive in mechanical music discussions on the net.   The December sale list will concentrate on the publishing of E.T.Paull, a piano and march music business that existed from the late 1800-1920+, January will be based on songs of World War One, and so on with "blacks, ragtime, showtunes, silent movie cue sheets, cylinders and such.   There will also be a web page set up within the next few weeks with information about the sale. The address will be: www.sheetmusic-auction.com    
(back) Subject: Bish Bash/Bash Bish From: <rnickel@itol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:02:09 -0500   I hate it when I read trashy things about Diane Bish. I like her, and I think the world of her technique. Sometime during the last two years, I attended a Bish concert at a church in the Milwaukee, WI, area. It was a 4M Rodgers electronic. During the concert, the speakers began to buzz loudly, and the console died. Her final piece (the Widor Toccata) was barely recognizable as these speakers buzzed and crackled so loudly. (I was sweating bullets for her.) However, Diane continued on through the piece .... full speed, full emotion, full professionalism. After the concert, I was lucky enough to meet her and chat with her for a few moments. What a sweetheart!   As far as Diane's comment "I'm no composer," how many other organists play their own pieces during their recitals? This summer I was part of the steering committee for the Region VI AGO Convention in Appleton, WI. Some recitalists either played pieces they had composed or they improvised, which in essence is composition on site, is it not? Why do people "bash" Diane for this when some others do the same thing. (Is it perhaps *jealousy*?)   Another thought ... It was my understanding that one of the rules of this list was "no flaming." Although the anti-Bish comments are not keyed in caps, are we not flaming this poor woman? This is as bad as the series of posts against Fred Swann's second pipe organ installation at Crystal Cathedral. Geez, guys. Come on! Let's get back onto cool topics ... like the music at Princess Diana's funeral.   In real sincerity ...   Bob Nickel    
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:34:34 -0500   At 06:10 AM 10/28/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:09:15 -0000, "Richard Scott-Copeland" ><organist@interalpha.co.uk> wrote: > >>All I can say is (with reference to below) If a computer programmer with >>all this knowledge can't understand it, then Christ help the rest of us >>poor gits! > >Why on earth cannot you "poor gits" 'git' this? It is virtual >simplicity itself. Ten-year-olds (or less) have figured it out! > >1) You will need a *real* computer. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know your definition of a *real* computer -- a vague statement if I ever heard one! But maybe mine is real. It has a Pentium 200 chip, 64Mb Ram, 3+Gig hard disk, tape backup, Jaz drive, Ricoh CD writer, 6speed CD reader, QuickCam2 video camera and CU-SeeMe software, Soundblaster 32 with 2 JBL speakers and Velodyne subwoofer for quality sound, Scanmaker E-6 flatbed scanner, Grab-it software for extracting frames from camcorder tapes, HP Laserjet 5L printer, and Epson Stylus Color 500 color printer. Software includes Office 97 and Pagemaker 6.5 for publishing the two newsletters that I publish monthly. Also use Cakewalk ProAudio 6.0 for recording organ music that I play. I hope that is enough to make my computer *real* <grin>. -----------------------------------------------------------------   >2) You will need somebody's IRC programme - they are very small and >take little room on the HD (that's hard drive, for the clewless). ------------------------------------------------------------------ Thank you for your tutorial so simple that a "10 year old can understand it". It still omitted a few basic bits of info. Where does one find "somebody's IRC programme", and what are the names of such programmes?   In the meantime, a knowledgable person gave me the explicit instructions. He was no dummy either, with two undergraduate and two graduated degrees in physics/electrical engineering. He understands the need to be excruciatingly explicit and was. So now I can join the chat group ------------------------------------------------------------------     >3) You will install the IRC programme on your HD (see above). Put an >icon on your desktop (if you play that game). --------------------------------------------------------------- The above step, and all that followed are standard steps for installing and using ANY program, so I have snipped the rest of the origiinal message in the interest of brevity. By the way, I accessed the Another net home page in my quest to try to understand how to access the chat group. It says "You type: /msg nickserv register trouble" , and explains the meaning of "trouble" in this context. But it doesn't say where or when to do the typing! I tried any number of places to do the typing and always got error messages telling me that what I typed was not correct.   But as I said above, I now have a valid IRC program, and placed the icon on my desktop, and have the program set up to access the pipe organ chat group.   I thank all for your tolerance and attempts to help.   Sincerely,   John G. "Jack" Cormack Potomac, MD      
(back) Subject: IRC - The LAST WORD! From: "Dr. Peter G. Pocock" <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:12:39 -0800   Hi everyone,   Just a short note to let you know that It is time to move on from this topic please. Some chatters have given very clear explanations and also URL references where to find much greater detail, and others somehow are not able to go look it up.   In the near future PipeChat will be offering our own IRC Channel on our server. Full explanations will be given at the time it is brought into operation, via our homepages, on how the system works and how to get the right software to connect to it.   Please put this topic on hold until we are able to make the changes necessary to operate our own IRC server for PipeChat members.   Now back to what we are really here about, discussion of Pipe Organs and related topics.   Take care,   Pete!   Dr. Peter Pocock Co-Owner and Administrator of PipeChat     Peter G. Pocock, D.M.A. "Developing Choral Music in Your Future" E-mail: mailto:pgpocock@ix.netcom.com WWW: http://www.netcom.com/~pgpocock/    
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:15:02   I'm sitting here giggling at Dr. Ed's response about IRCing, and the responses that post has received. Dr. Ed, it would seem that, although many of us have been giving information about how to connect to IRC over and over again, you must have hit on the right combination of words to make sense to at least a few more people. Well done.   I still come back to Ron Yost's post a few days ago, tho. In it, he gave all the websites one needs to get online.   He also gave a FAQ site (FAQ meaning Frequently Asked Questions.). I would suggest ALL of you, whether currently on IRC or want to be, to go read the FAQ. Yes, FAQs can be lengthy, but I would imagine that many of you have questions that aren't even formed yet, and this FAQ will not only answer the questions, but will give you the knowledge to get online. Research is a wonderful tool.   Now: A couple of omitted or erroneous facts that need tweaking:   1) The most used IRC client for Mac is Ircle. Go to http://www.yahoo.com and search for Ircle.   2) For Windoze and Mac users:   You download, install, and configure the software. You add irc.another.net to your server list. You connect to IRC, another.net. You type /join #pipechat. And then you continue with the rest of Dr. Ed's directions.   3) You MUST have an ISP (AOL is NOT an ISP, but will work) in order to connect to IRC in the first place. One final note: IF YOU ARE USING WEBTV YOU CANNOT, AT THIS TIME, CONNECT TO IRC. (Definition of ISP: Internet Service Provider, sometimes referred to as a REAL internet connection. :) )   --Shirley    
(back) Subject: Re: BISH--BASH From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:39:02 -0500 (EST)   In a message dated 97-10-27 12:54:03 EST, you write:   << On the other hand, he was certainly correct................I remember one recital where Ms Bish played a couple of her own "compositions" and made the astounding statement that "I'm not really a composer..." I couldn't have agreed more! >>   Naughty!! Actually, it was at the last AGO convention in Houston, perhaps 6 or 8 years ago. The only event the entire convention could attend all together was at a huge Baptist church, seating 6,000, with a large Rodgers (mostly) Pipe Organ. Diane played standard repertoire in the first half, some with the church choir (amplified), and after intermission, made her little speech about how she was not really a composer, but thought everyone should try once in a while, so she was going to give us the fruits of some of her efforts, organ alone, and with choir. I think it was Larry Palmer's review that said something like your quote: "She spent the whole second half of the program, about 45 minutes, proving it." It really was not wonderful, and completely by chance, I was sitting with a number of British luminaries like Barry Rose, and wondering what on earth must have been going through their minds about the Colonies!   Cheers,   Malcolm  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:11:38 -0500   Many, many thanks to the people who took the time to explain in English how to get to IRC Chat. Amazing how clear it is (even for someone digitally impaired such as I) when the instructions are place in print. It is comforting to know that I CAN'T GET THERE! I shall spend these evening locked in ecstacy with a mechanical action organ, using only the electric blower and lights. What comfort!!   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC Chat tonight From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:37:06 -0500   Thanks to Jack Cormack and the rest of the gang who clarified the IRC debacle. I can't think of anything I would go to that much trouble to do. I think I'll just practice, instead.   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO