PipeChat Digest #55 - Monday, September 1, 1997
 
 


(back) Subject: Re: Westminster Choir College web site From: Ron Hemmel <ohemmel@mail.eclipse.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:27:21 +0100   Pat Maimone suggests a link for info, but the following is the official page:   http://www.rider.edu/www/westminster/index.html   There is also an "unofficial" page (and it's called exactly that) at:   http://www.exit109.com/~scotth/wcc/   Westminster Choir College is part of Rider University. We are still in Princeton, NJ.   Cheers!   Ron Hemmel Department of Music Theory and History Westminster Choir College of Rider University      
(back) Subject: Re: Strings and/or brass + organ for All Souls? From: patmai@juno.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 07:04:34 -0400   Mozart wrote a few Church Sonatas for two violins, `cello and organ. They are quite short, and can be played as prelude, offertory, between psalm and epistle, etc.. My copy is at church. If you wish further details, please write me at   < yp6867@sunams.usma.army.mil>   and I shall be happy to look them up for you. Handel's solo violin sonatas are marvelous, also.. Excerpts from the D Major, for example..   If you want to "go for broke" with brass, I enjoyed playing Marcel Dupre's "Po`eme He'roi"que" for Organ with Trumpets, trombones and Drum to celebrate the Post Chapel's 50th anniversary. Pub: H.W. Gray GB 619a Michael Murray has a CD, I believe.. The Karg-Elert "Nun danket" also works, with or without brass, as does the Eugene Gigout "Grand Choeur Dialogue."   Best regards,   Pat Maimone Proud mom whose son Mark will be featured on CNN's Science & Technology at 4 PM ?EST...Sun, 31 Aug and Wed, 3 Sep at 7 AM.  
(back) Subject: Re: Disguised Tune Transcriptions/copyright concerns From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 08:35:04 -0400   Uh, "jail house rock"   Bruce Cornely ============ o o o o ============== o o o ______________ o o o o o o ______________ o o o OHS ======================== AGO  
(back) Subject: Re:Strings or brass + organ for All Souls From: patmai@juno.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:44:46 -0400   Hello, PIPECHATTERS all!   Please disregard previous message about contacting me at work at yp6867etc..   As of this morning, the "files are full," and I must wait for the return of our computer gurus Tuesday morning.. :-(   Any questions, please submit to me here at juno, and I shall print them out for later at the office!   Thanks.. Happy trails. Hope that all your services went well today..   Pat  
(back) Subject: Naughty Transcriptions From: Bruce Behnke <behnke@isat.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 97 12:38:52 -0000   If someone could sit down and play these transcriptions on a midi keyboard(s) they could be opened with Finale and with a little editing could be made ready to publish. PageMaker allows documents to be saved as Adobe Acrobat files which could be easily stored on a web site and downloaded by anyone. Sounds like fun.   Bruce  
(back) Subject: Re: Strings and/or brass + organ for All Souls? From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:16:28 -0500   [SNIP] > Best regards, > > Pat Maimone > Proud mom whose son Mark will be featured on CNN's Science & >Technology at 4 PM ?EST...Sun, 31 Aug and Wed, 3 Sep at 7 AM. > I caught him on TV this afternoon, What actually caught my attention was the PIPORG-L Sweat Shirt he was wearing!!!   David   ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Transcriptions/Copyrights From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:48:15 +0000   Giwro@aol.com wrote:   > I seem to remember hearing from my choral arranging teacher a few years ago > <snip> that permission was needed if you planned to sell (make a profit) > from the arrangement.   Not wanting to beat a subject to death, but just to bring greater clarity:   Copyright means that, exactly: the right to copy. You must have permission to copy a work that is under copyright except under exceptional circumstances -- such as emergency copies needed for a rehearsal when legitimate copies have been ordered but are delayed. Whether or not you plan to sell a copy that you create, you're still depriving a publisher and/or copyright holder and/or composer/author of rightful income, as they're not being paid for that illegitimate copy, whether or not you're paid for it. After all, if you steal something and   then give it to someone else, you can't plead innocence because you made   no profit from it, can you?   A tangential issue is that of "copying" music as a MIDI or other performance file or other computerized storage medium (Finale program file, for example). I'm still looking into this matter for an article I'm writing, just how such things are treated -- are they all performances? a MIDI file can often be "viewed," while a Finale file can   be "played," yet they are in their native worlds performance- and visually-oriented, respectively.   I'll try to remember to update y'all when I've got more information.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Improvising <was disguised tunes> From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:05:13 -0400 (EDT)       All who fear improvising take heart. Yes it is nice when one has a God given talent for such. I thank him for giving me my interest and love of improvisation.   When I started out I was no better than anybody else. IT TAKES YEARS OF PRACTICE, and the greats will tell you that. If you will add a 15 minute block of time for improvisation practice regularly you will come right along. Work with a simple tune. There are methods out there.   If anybody is interested is hearing more from me just let me know privately. I'm by no means an expert but my meanderings are appreciated by the litsteners in my church choir (the ones who know it isn't Bach!! haha)   RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: New Co-Owner! From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:08:09 -0400 (EDT)   WELCOME DAVID!!!!!!!   RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Transcriptions/Copyrights From: Ronnymn@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:12:34 -0400 (EDT)   sometimes ignorance is truly bliss as one spits upon the sidewalk.  
(back) Subject: Re: Transcriptions/Copyrights From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 19:31:39 -0400 (EDT)   >sometimes ignorance is truly bliss as one spits upon the sidewalk.   Which, may I add, is illegal in the city of Aiken. Ain't life wonderful?   _____ | |_____ | || |_____ |Stephen || |_____ ______|F.P. Karr| || |_____ ______ |o o || || || || || |_____ | o o| | o o||Student Organist || || |_____ |o o | |o o || || || || || || || | | o o| | o o||Director of Music and Organist, | |o o | |o o || Bethlehem Lutheran Church|| | | o o| | o o|| || || || || || || | |o o | |o o || Aiken, SC || || || || | | o o| | o o| \ / \ / \U/ \S/ \A/ \ / \ / |o o | |o o | V V V V V V V | o o| | o o|_____________________________________|o o | |o o || E E | E E E | E E | E E E | E E | || o o| | o o||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_||o o |    
(back) Subject: hidden tunes From: "Thomas E. Gregory" <tgregory@carroll1.cc.edu> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 19:05:21 -0600 (CDT)   Greetings:   I believe that most organists (that is, those with a sense of humor) have added motifs during the worship services.   Being a graduate of the University of Wisconsin (Madison) I nearly always work in the first four notes of "OnWisconsin" following a winning football game. Usually it is not noticeable, except to a few choir members. But when the Badgers won the Rose Bowl, that was another story!   Shirley has written several excellent arrangements of popular tunes that have served well in services. On in particular in the trio on Plop Plop, Fizz Fizz! (Sorry Shirley, I could not resist.)   Sincerely,     Tom Gregory First Baptist Church Waukesha, WI   p.s. I believe that God also has a sense of humor also!  
(back) Subject: Re: hidden tunes From: "Roger" <pamnroy@wolfenet.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:09:41 -0700   I have been following this thread since it's inception and find myself wondering if 'hidden tunes' don't insert a certain amount of frivolity into the service that shouldn't be there. I know most people would welcome it; but, I am worried about those few people who come to service seeking help with the serious problems of life. I acknowledge that most, if not all, of them will never detect the hidden tune. However, I suspect that they may unconsciously detect a humorous attitude to the service and feel unsettled by it.   Am I the only worrier about this?   ---------- > From: Thomas E. Gregory <tgregory@carroll1.cc.edu> > To: pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: hidden tunes > Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 6:05 PM > > Greetings: > > I believe that most organists (that is, those with a sense of humor) have added > motifs during the worship services. > > Being a graduate of the University of Wisconsin (Madison) I nearly always work > in the first four notes of "OnWisconsin" following a winning football game. > Usually it is not noticeable, except to a few choir members. But when the > Badgers won the Rose Bowl, that was another story! > > Shirley has written several excellent arrangements of popular tunes that have > served well in services. On in particular in the trio on Plop Plop, Fizz Fizz! > (Sorry Shirley, I could not resist.) > > Sincerely, > > > Tom Gregory > First Baptist Church > Waukesha, WI > > p.s. I believe that God also has a sense of humor also! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: "the organ will play.... and it did" From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:37:36 -0400 (EDT)   At the Baptist church here in town, the organist plays "Who's Sorry Now" as part of his wedding recessional  
(back) Subject: Re: Disguised Music From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:48:10 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-08-29 12:05:53 EDT, you write:   << Would it be like me playing "Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life" as a postlude over here, knowing full well the connation brought to it by the Mel Brooks' comedy "Young Frankenstein" and the numerous snickers it would elicit? >>   Back around '82 or '83 I was in the chorus for a production of "Naughty Marietta." The only two people in the company who hadn't seen "Young Frakenstein" were the director and the female lead. Neither of them understood why we all thought Marietta's big love song was so funny.   Needless to say, "Young Frankenstein" was featured at the cast party--and given as gifts to Madame's Director and Marietta.  
(back) Subject: Re: Transcriptions/Copyrights From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:20:51 -0400 (EDT)   Well--this is a matter of some controversy. Needless to say, the legal department of Shawnee Press is likely to give a different opinion of the matter than I will. But. . .   IMO, when I buy a copy of something, I am buying a liscence to use one copy. I may make a photocopy, put the original on my shelf and make performance notes galore on my "working copy"--I'm only using one copy. I may have several computers w/ Lotus 123 installed, so long as only one copy of Lotus is running at any one time.   OTOH, if I make ten copies of "African Psalm" and give one to each of my choir members, or if I make 100 copies and give one to each of my students (I wish), I am then exceeding the scope of my liscence--clearly, I'm denying the publisher of their rightful portion.   It's a little messier when using music for study--say in a form and analysis. My F&A prof regularly handed out lengthy compositions for study. Is this "fair use?" Obviously, someone at the schools legal department thought it was okay, but Provofiev's publisher may have a different opinion.   Performance rights are another matter entirely. This came up about 10 or so years ago when the "Eidleweiss" benediction began making the rounds. The Richard Rogers people made quite sure that every denomination knew their position on the matter--that they would persue this "misuse" of "Eidleweiss" to "the fullest extent of the law."   Unfortunatly for them, they forgot that there are no "performance rights" for music performed at a religious ceremony. They could forbid the publishing of the melody in church bullitins. They can forbid the church from printing lyrics and stating that they are to be performed to "Eidelweiss." But they CANNOT prevent an organist playing "Eidelweiss" during a worship service--say, for example, at the very end. And they cannot provent the congregation from singing the, by now familiar, lyrics printed in the bulletin--WITHOUT a blurb stating the name of the melody.   I wonder if they've factored in just how much money they've lost by not liscensing that melody for all the major denominational hymnals?   Best     Charles 'If I ever here the Eidelweiss benediction again, I'll HURL!"  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in a FAQ list? From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:24:15 -0400 (EDT)   I'd like to do stops.   Charles "The piece I'm playing calls for Principle 8' and 4' " "My organ has Montre and flote--which should I use?"  
(back) Subject: Re: Disguised Music From: photom@ix.netcom.com Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 22:25:51 -0700   My cousin listens to a Rock type music. One song in particular is "Your Woman" by White Town. It caught my attention because of the odd arrangement of the chords. Now this music is sort of odd, not really rock, and not that loud rock, it is sort of a soft rock. So, one day I found the music in MID format on the internet. I saw the potential for it to be either a nice Waltz, or a M. Dupre kind of a sonata. When my cosin came over my house I started to play the music on my piano, disguising it as a purely classical piece. It took her a while to catch on. I liked the way the Classical version turned out I used it as a prelude at the Saturday 4:00 Vigil. I don't think anyone noticed it, in fact I think most of the congregation enjoyed it. I did a nice sounding solo on the swell Flugel Horn.   Now what should I do next week???   William C.