PipeChat Digest #59 - Friday, September 5, 1997
 
 


(back) Subject: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: "Dr. Peter G. Pocock" <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:47:47 -0700   I have been reading with great interest comments made on PIPORG-L about the inclusion of Elton John singing at Diana's funeral.   Over the last 25 years or so, I have played at or conducted the choir for many funerals. One of the things that I feel is always appropriate is to have music that the deceased person would have wanted. Regardless of the opinions of any of us about his music, Elton John was both a personal friend and idol of the Princess. It is therefore entirely appropriate to ask him sing at the funeral.   [I, for one, happen to enjoy much of his music immensely, just as I do that of many other contemporary and traditional composers and also the music of those who were the Elton John's of their time.]   According to the order of service published today, he has written a new song expressing the love of England and the world for this wonderful ambassador of the people. The words of the song are:   Candle in the Wind ================ Goodbye England's rose; may you ever grow in our hearts. You were the grace that placed itself where lives were torn apart. You called out to our country, and you whispered to those in pain. Now you belong to heaven, and the stars spell out your name. And it seems to me you lived your life like a candle in the wind: never fading with the sunset when the rain set in. And your footsteps will always fall here, along England's greenest hills; your candle's burned out long before your legend ever will. Loveliness we've lost; these empty days without your smile. This torch we'll always carry for our nation's golden child. And even though we try, the truth brings us to tears; all our words cannot express the joy you brought us through the years. Goodbye England's rose, from a country lost without your soul, who'll miss the wings of your compassion more than you'll ever know.   Bernie Taupin (b 1950) Elton John (b 1947)   A fitting farewell for a gracious, tender and compassionate lady loved by millions.   Peter!     Peter G. Pocock, D.M.A. "Developing Choral Music in Your Future" E-mail: mailto:pgpocock@ix.netcom.com WWW: http://www.netcom.com/~pgpocock/    
(back) Subject: Funeral Preparations From: "basset3@warwick.net" <u1005593@warwick.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:21:27 -0700   In response to my original posting requesting such, thanks for the listings which have supplied information about the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales. Additional information (and links) are available at www.westminster-abbey.org which, via the media, I just discovered. I wish to express my personal appreciation for the comments expressed by musicians on this list. It will be an emotional Saturday morning. Regards to all. . . Robert Clooney  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:25:55 +0000   Dr. Peter G. Pocock wrote:   > According to the order of service published today, he [Elton John] has > written a new > song expressing the love of England and the world for this wonderful > ambassador of the people. The words of the song are: > > Candle in the Wind   This is actually not a new song, but rather new words to an existing song, sung with its original text at the funeral for Ryan White, the young man whose life was ended after living with an HIV infection and the AIDS-related illnesses which finally killed him.   I think the new words are quite lovely and the music to which they are set quite good. Looking over the whole of the funeral outline there appears to be plenty of "good music" of a wide variety -- even the so-called "Prayer of St Francis" which is perhaps the weakest, musically, given its "Morse Code-like" melody.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:04:36 -0400 (EDT)     Perhaps we're allowed to disagree on various things, including the music for Saturday's big funeral. But consider this:   The responsible persons have chosen to bring the funeral to the Church; they could have chosen differently. Just as with weddings, when one brings the service into the Church, it is the Church's agenda and not a given person's that needs always to take primacy. The Church exists for the sake of proclaiming the gospel, administering the sacrements, doing works of mercy apart from the gathered worshiping community, and perhpas a few other broadly-stated purposes. The Church does NOT exist to glorify people.   Music in the context of worship therefore should serve either a sacrificial or a sacramental role or in the rarest of situations (such as with Martin Luther's didactic hymn texts) also an instruction role. Thus, songs of praise to God for the life of Diana would be most qppropriate, but songs of affection, etc., hardly meet any such criteria. Thus do I find the Elton John text offensive. The issue has nothing to do with musical style; it has to do with our understanding of the Church and her mission. Thus, this wedding sets a terrible example for other places that try to keep the Church's actions consistent with her mission.   People vary greatly, of course, in how they understand the Church and her roles; thus do we, for example, has some clergy persons who say that the wedding is "the bride's day, and she can have anything she wants." One thing leads to another lots of times, and eventually that leads to a weakening of the Church. The Church does not exist to become the theatre for any person's glory, though too often that's precisely what happens.   It might have been better to plan the princess' funeral in Royal Albert Hall, where "anything" could "go" in the plans. How sorry I am to be writing this. Conversely, I am prepared to respect others' opinions that differ from mine. Dr. Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA    
(back) Subject: Funeral service for Diana, Princess of Wales. From: Hugh Drogemuller <hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:51:52 -0400   I must heartily concur with the thoughts and position taken by Karl Moyer. It is my view that a Christian burial service should be an opportunity to speak powerfully to the living to remind them that they are mortal as well as to reflect on the life of the deceased.   Hugh Drogemuller    
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: Roger Pariseau <grinder@west.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:21:47 -0700   At 11:04 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Karl E. Moyer wrote:   > The responsible persons have chosen to bring the funeral to >the Church; they could have chosen differently. Just as with >weddings, when one brings the service into the Church, it is the >Church's agenda and not a given person's that needs always to take >primacy. The Church exists for the sake of proclaiming the gospel, >administering the sacrements, doing works of mercy apart from the gathered >worshiping community, and perhpas a few other broadly-stated purposes. >The Church does NOT exist to glorify people.   Yes, people will differ, Dr. Moyer, and statements such as yours remind me of how few times the Bible mentions Christ entering a temple. Come to think of it, Christ didn't erect any buildings at all! Instead, Christ "sanctified" Peter and formed an ecumenism of men.   Man needs God; not the reverse. God does not need a church; men do.   I doubt God will be displeased with the Elton John offering. Why should you?   -- Roger Pariseau - grinder@west.net --------------------------------- "Not only do we learn from the mistakes of others, but we also learn that it is wiser to enthrone and follow principles than it is to enthrone and follow people." -- Marilyn Vos Savant  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:23:04 -0400   Regarding "Candle in the Wind"   I heard on Extra (abc) this morning (12:40 AM) that the song is a re-write of a song that EJ wrote for Marilyn Monroe. Just a piece of info, which does nothing to detract from the appropriate text.   Bruce Cornely ============ o o o o ============== o o o ______________ o o o o o o ______________ o o o OHS ======================== AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:06:21 -0700   Hi Friends!   FWIW .. there are the re-written words to "Candle In The Wind", which Elton John will sing this Saturday morning:   Goodbye England's rose; may you every grow in our hearts. You were the grace that placed itself where lives were torn apart. You called out to our country, and you whispered to those in pain. Now you belong to heaven, and the stars spell out your name.   And it seems to me you lived your life like a candle in the wind; never fading with the sunset when the rain set in. And your footsteps will always fall here, among England's greenest hills, your candle's burned out long before your legend ever will.   Loveliness we've lost; these empty days without your smile. This torch we'll always carry for our nation's golden child. And even though we try, the truth brings us to tears; all our words cannot express the joy you brought us through the years.   Goodbye England's rose, from a country lost without your soul, who'll miss the wings of your compassion more than you will every know.   Lyrics (C) 1997 Bernard Taupin, Elton John   Elton John will accompany himself on piano, as there is no time for rehearsals. Also, the song will be recorded and all proceeds will be donated to Diana's favored charities. I've accumulated this information from various web sites, so if it is in error, I apologize.   God Bless our dear friends in Great Britain. This Saturday will be most difficult for all of us, the world over. We are with you.   Ron Yost Paso Robles, California U.S.A.   At 01:23 AM 9/5/97 -0400, you wrote: >Regarding "Candle in the Wind" > >I heard on Extra (abc) this morning (12:40 AM) that the song is a >re-write of a song that EJ wrote for Marilyn Monroe. Just a piece of >info, which does nothing to detract from the appropriate text. > > Bruce Cornely >============ o o o o ============== > o o o ______________ o o o > o o o ______________ o o o >OHS ======================== AGO