PipeChat Digest #61 - Saturday, September 6, 1997
 
 


(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: "Richard Scott-Copeland" <organist@interalpha.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:24:05 +0100         Dear All   I am sorry that I have offended Jim Donovan, but feelings are running somewhat high in England and reading Dr Moyer's posting prompted me to act somewhat out of character. Unfortunately, as I write this, I have the BBC news at 6.00pm in my left ear which has just reported that Mother Theresa of Calcutta has just died.   May she rest in peace. > > > > I was very surprised at that comment until I saw that you are in the > Roman branch of Catholicism. Guitars forced me out of that church.   I would just say in response to this that I operate as the full-time organist to the Catholic Dean of Southampton. I am not a Catholic but baptised and confirmed in the Church of England and married in the Presbyterian Church of Ireland. At our church, we have three sung services with three seperate choirs (children's, senior and early music) ALL with our marvellous 59 rank Walker organ and not a guitar in sight!! - ever!   > You probably won't understand this, but we musicians of a more > traditional bent suggest to prospective brides that music such as "We've > only Just Begun" and "The Wedding Song" would be more appropriate at the > reception. So, to The song by Elton John (and I do enjoy his music) > would be more appropriate at a secular memorial service.   I thoroughly agree with the comments regarding the use of secular music such as the above being 'performed' in church. In Southampton we will have none of it., However, even the Anglican Dean of London has just said on the news that 'Candle in the Wind' is allowable on the grounds that Princess Diana was such an accessible person and that one item of music at her funeral should at least represent the contemporary music of today.   Unfortunately, his comments are somewhat spoilt by the assumption that I am not a musician of a traditional 'bent'. This is not true. I am a classically trained pianist, organist and accompanist. I am organist to the Mayor of Southampton and perform civic organists' duties to the City of Southampton on the magnificent 4/61 Compton Classical organ and the 4/39 Compton Theatre organ in the Guildhall. I learnt Theatre Organ Technique with the late, great Reginald Porter Brown, one of the most respected and technically competant theatre organists of all time. I have had the honour to perform in the presence of his highness Prince Charles at the 5 manual Compton at the Odeon, Leicester Square, London. I also learnt the art of accompaniment to the silent film. I do however welcome contemporary music (it does not have to be guitar ridden) because it is only in listening and sampling such music that one can learn to be progressive and forwardly thinking in Divine Worship today. After all, Bach and Mozart and a thousand composers after them were once contemporary... > > In any event, "buddy" it was certainly not appropriate of you to blast > off in such a rude manner to Dr. Moyer for his offering HIS opinion.   I apologise for 'blasting off' to Dr Moyer, but I claim mitigating circumstances which should be taken into account. Guilty as charged, m'lud. > > Think About It   I have. > > Calmly, > Jim Donovan   Slightly calmer now, thank you!!   Richard Scott-Copeland        
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: "Dr. Peter Pocock" <pgpocock@umcv.org> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:57:21 -0700   At 11:04 PM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote: > > Perhaps we're allowed to disagree on various things, including the >music for Saturday's big funeral. But consider this:   Differing points of view are both healthy and necessary as long as they are given with respect..   > The responsible persons have chosen to bring the funeral to >the Church; they could have chosen differently. Just as with >weddings, when one brings the service into the Church, it is the >Church's agenda and not a given person's that needs always to take >primacy.   I believe that the agenda should be God's agenda, not the churches (there is a difference here). The "church" is run by "people." How many times have I seen in my experience where a "Pastors" personal agenda has taken primacy over any other to the detriment of the local church and in some cases the denomination.   >The Church exists for the sake of proclaiming the gospel, >administering the sacrements, doing works of mercy apart from the gathered >worshiping community, and perhpas a few other broadly-stated purposes. >The Church does NOT exist to glorify people.   The church exists as an aid to the communication between God and humankind and humankind and God, and as a corporate means for developing that communication, all other aspects are purely secondary to that communication. The music of the church is an aid to that communication also, and we as musicians act as representatives of the congregation in presenting the finest that we have to offer as a gift (or sacrifice/offering) to God (what may be our finest will vary from situation to situation ~ remember the parable of the "Widow's offering"). So often we do lose sight of what our real mission as musicians is ~ it is not to be self-serving (I have spoken about this extensively before on PipeChat), nor to hold one type or genre of music above another for our own purposes (in other words snobbery), but rather to be representatives of the people God in the worship of God.   >Thus, >songs of praise to God for the life of Diana would be most qppropriate, >but songs of affection, etc., hardly meet any such criteria. Thus do I >find the Elton John text offensive.   You are entitled to your opinion, others of us choose to hold our own opinions. I personally see this song as an offering to God, in praise of someone Elton John honored and adored. In other words, a presentation of the finest that he has to offer at this point of time.   I think the other problem here is that in talking about one composers music being presented, we have let that overshadow the sense of the "whole" worship. And as one writer said so well, no one cares what Dr. Moyers or Dr. Pocock (a sobering thought :):), or anyone else thinks. They have chosen what they have chosen and it is from their hearts in love for a very special lady.   >The issue has nothing to do with >musical style; it has to do with our understanding of the Church and her >mission. Thus, this wedding sets a terrible example for other places that >try to keep the Church's actions consistent with her mission.   I think you mean "funeral." The mission of the church as I see it, is far from actually what the church truly is. Some worry so much about the maintaining of "standards" (standards that are set by man, not by God) that they completely lose sight of the "servanthood" aspect of the church. By servanthood here, I mean the church serving as an aid in communication with God and the church loving it's neighbor as itself (a very rare occurence). The church, although it rarely recognizes it, is a man made institution, guilty of falling short of the glory of God.   Well, enough said. All this is WAYS's off topic and I hope we will return, once all this is over, to our normal topics on PipeChat.   Peter          
(back) Subject: ***Funeral Discussion - Timely and Appropriate*** From: TheNEORG@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:51:52 -0400 (EDT)   My 2 cents:   It has been suggested that this is a way off topic, innappropriate for the list, etc.   For those who suggest we should wait to discuss this topic, well, the world does not agree with you. I have been on vacation all week, and this event has had continous coverage by CNN, and regular coverage by all the other stations since Sunday. Whether this is appropriate or not, it is certainly a topic which we cannot ignore, nor a topic that we should prohibit others from expressing. The fact that it involves church music and ideals makes it very relevant to all of us here on the list. The power of this list is the ability to allow all of our points of view to come out, especially at critical times that concern world events.   I look forward to all of the respectful comments that are being shared by members of this forum. And, I may only be guessing, but I sincerely doubt that Elton John's singing will have a significant impact on the future of our funeral music selections.   Best wishes to all,   Len         Len Levasseur The Northeast Organist 800.841.4030 PO Box 747 http://www.tneorg.com/ Lawrence, MA 01842-1547          
(back) Subject: A call to prayer From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 17:48:31 -0400   It is my priviledge to participate in the life of my home parish by being present in the church building from 11:30 AM until 1:30 PM each Friday. Our building was burned by arson about six years ago, and now it is not left open and unattended; volunteers are present at the above hours Monday through Friday, and daily prayers are offered at Noon.   Today as I concluded Noonday prayers, I turned to the Great Litany and began to read. I was pariticularly impressed as I read, how it seemed to name, one by one, those causes for which both Diana, Princess of Wales, and Mother Theresa served during their lives. I am going to read the Great Litany again tonight at midnight (Eastern time) and would like to invite all to whom this would be meaningful to join me from wherever you may be.   This has truly been a sad and devastating week for all of us. Since death is not the end, but really a beginning, may we begin the next chapter in our lives with prayer together, especially remembering Diana, Princess of Wales, Mother Theresa, their families, and all of our friends and colleagues in the UK.   Bruce Cornely ============ o o o o ============== o o o ______________ o o o o o o ______________ o o o OHS ======================== AGO  
(back) Subject: Funeral Order available at BBC web site From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:11:23 -0700   Hello Friends,   A quick note to say the complete official Order of Service for the Funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales is available from the BBC website:   http://www.bbc.co.uk/politics97/diana/order.html   The listing of organ music to be played is, of course, listed therein.   God Bless.   Ron Yost Paso Robles, CA U.S.A.  
(back) Subject: Re: French Noels From: Ronnymn@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:22:54 -0400 (EDT)   thanks, She certainly should do a superb job.  
(back) Subject: Re: ***Festival Organ, Boston*** From: "K. M. Horvath" <kmhorvat@wcnet.org> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:18:23 -0700   TheNEORG@aol.com wrote: > > The complete schedule of Festival Organ, Boston is posted at > > www.tneorg.com/festival > > The city of Boston has taken notice, and because of the Boston AGO's > efforts has declared October 18 "Festival Organ Day" - Which is pretty > amazing for any large Metropolitan City to declare a day in honor of the > Pipe Organ. > > Len > > Len Levasseur The Northeast Organist > 800.841.4030 PO Box 747 > http://www.tneorg.com/ Lawrence, MA 01842-1547 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" Can you tell us more about Festival Organ Day?   Thanks,   Kathi  
(back) Subject: Re: Funeral Service of Diana Princess of Wales From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:55:28 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Friends,   I am very saddened that we are on the verge of such fights in this arena.   Please, Please, by all means let us share opinions, but do so in a kind and careing manner. Most of us are church musicians. Let us behave as such.   Sincerely, RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: ***Festival Organ, Boston*** From: orgnloft@ultranet.com (Bob & Sally Evans) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:46:01 -0400 (EDT)   >TheNEORG@aol.com wrote: >> >> The complete schedule of Festival Organ, Boston is posted at >> >> www.tneorg.com/festival >> >> The city of Boston has taken notice, and because of the Boston AGO's >> efforts has declared October 18 "Festival Organ Day" - Which is pretty >> amazing for any large Metropolitan City to declare a day in honor of the >> Pipe Organ. >> >> Len >> >> Len Levasseur The Northeast Organist >> 800.841.4030 PO Box 747 >> http://www.tneorg.com/ Lawrence, MA 01842-1547 >> >> Len, and List:   I'd also like to add that, in conjunction with Festival Organ, Tom Hazleton will appear at the Eastern Massachusetts Chapter of ATOS's 4/18 Wurlitzer at Babson College in Wellesley, MA on Friday, November 14, 1997. The time is set for 7:00 PM at this time.   Bob Evans     Bob's Wurlitzer Loft Swansea, MA Home of Rochelle the RJ-12 Wurlitzer Pipe Organ      
(back) Subject: Re: PELS organ From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 21:47:56 +0000   Nelson and Tracy Denton wrote:   > >Has anyone ever worked on or played a PELS organ?   I grew up playing a small, unusual 24-rank Pels pipe organ, from about 1959/1960, located in the First Christian Reformed Church, Chino, California.   Stoplist is:   Pedal (32 notes; in Great chamber) Principal 16' Quintaton 16' Octave 8' (extension) Quintade 8' (extension) Choral Bass 4' (extension) Mixture IV Gt to Ped Unison, Super Sw to Ped Unison, Super   Swell (61 notes, 73 note chests)* Rohrflöte 8' Viole de Gambe 8' Viole Celeste 8' Principal 4' Spitzflöte 4' Mixture III Trompette 8' Oboe 8' Swell Sub, Unison Off, Super Tremulant   Great (61 notes) Principal 8' Bourdon 8' Gemshorn 8' Octave 4' Mixture IV Chimes (console preparation) Great Sub, Unison Off, Super Swell to Great Sub, Unison, Super   *Top 12 notes of Swell chests not playing last time I was there, several years ago, due to change over to solid-state keying that, through someone's stupidity, did not take into consideration the need for that extra octave on such an unusual instrument: 24 ranks, only two of which are unified, and yet no stops above 4' pitch (except mixtures), no manual 16' stops, and no 16' reed at all.   Until the late 1970s the Great/Pedal was under expression until it was decided that removing the shades would improve tonal egress and projection into the room. What little improvement there was sadly sacrificed the ability to most effectively exploit the Great stops as accompaniment and foil to the Swell stops.   Still, it's a fun little instrument to play, although its character is greatly reduced thanks to a late 1980s remodeling which included replacing the wooden pews with apholstered "kerken" couches and a much-thicker carpeting.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: *Celebration of A Life* From: Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 00:56:50 -0500   I took part in this service just a few hours ago. Thought it might be of interest...   Truro Episcopal Church, Fairfax, Virginia September 5, 1997 7:30 p.m.   Call to Worship - Organ Voluntary(ies) Opening Anthems in Procession - BCP 491 Hymn - "Christ is Made the Sure Foundation" (Westminster Abbey) Greeting & Collect 1st Lesson - Isaiah 61:1-3 Gradual Hymn - Psalm 23 (Crimond) 2nd Lesson - Revelation 21:2-7 Sequence Hymn - "There is a Redeemer" (written by Keith Green) Gospel - John 14:1-6 Homily Time of Sharing The Apostles' Creed The Prayers The Peace The Offertory - "O God, Our Help in Ages Past" (St. Anne) Eucharistic Prayer A (Rite II) Sanctus - Schubert Communion Music: Christ Hath a Garden (Gerald Near) - sung by Parish Choir ---Sung by the Congregation--- Seek My Face (Steven Wray) Give Thanks (Henry Smith) Be Still for the Presence (Evans/Baker) Abide With Me (Eventide) Postcommunion Prayer The Commendation (Taken from the service at Westminster Abbey) The Blessing The Dismissal Closing Hymn - "Amazing Grace" Procession with Bagpipes. Flags of the U.S. & U.K. were carried in procession.   Martyn Minns, Rector, was the Celebrant and Homilist Roger French, Consul General of the British Embassy, was the Reader   Musicians/Instruments were comprised of: Pipe Organ, Piano, Full percussion (tympani & chimes for this service), Saxaphone, Bagpipes, Electric Bass, Guitar, Violin, & Parish Choir.  
(back) Subject: Re: ***Funeral Discussion - Timely and Appropriate*** From: "Richard Scott-Copeland" <organist@interalpha.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:02:59 +0100       ---------- > From: TheNEORG@aol.com > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: ***Funeral Discussion - Timely and Appropriate*** > Date: 05 September 1997 21:51 > > My 2 cents: > > It has been suggested that this is a way off topic, innappropriate for > the list, etc. > > For those who suggest we should wait to discuss this topic, well, the > world does not agree with you. I have been on vacation all week, and this   > event has had continous coverage by CNN, and regular coverage by all the > other stations since Sunday. Whether this is appropriate or not, it is > certainly a topic which we cannot ignore, nor a topic that we should > prohibit others from expressing. The fact that it involves church music > and ideals makes it very relevant to all of us here on the list. The > power of this list is the ability to allow all of our points of view to > come out, especially at critical times that concern world events. > > I look forward to all of the respectful comments that are being shared by   > members of this forum. And, I may only be guessing, but I sincerely doubt   > that Elton John's singing will have a significant impact on the future of   > our funeral music selections. > > Best wishes to all, > > Len     Hear hear! Wise words, well said!   Richard Scott-Copeland  
(back) Subject: RE: I vow to thee my country From: Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:23:13 +1000   This lovely hymn can be found in Songs of Praise and Hymns Ancient and = Modern Revised. When I was a child Songs of Praise was standard in most English schools, = and being brought up during World War II we used to sing 'I vow to thee = my country' quite frequently at school assemblies. I can think of no = better hymn for Princess Diana's funeral.   Duncan Charig