PipeChat Digest #70 - Sunday, September 14, 1997
 
SF organ pics
  by <Giwro@aol.com>
An Apology and Explanation
  by David Scribner <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers
  by Gregory F. Klingler <klingler@IDT.NET>
Re: This is my first posting.
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers
  by <Mattcinnj@aol.com>
Hammond Organ model H
  by james turner <JTTUNER@webtv.net>
Advent Hymn Festival
  by <rnickel@itol.com>
Re: This is my first posting.
  by <KEYBOARDJ@aol.com>
RE: This is my first posting
  by Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au>
Re: This is my first posting.
  by <SCoonrod@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: SF organ pics From: Giwro@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:05:54 -0400 (EDT)   Hey pipechatters,   My pix from my SF trip are in - I finally finished the roll! As last tim= e, they will be available separately as JPG's or as a ZIP file for the whole set. They are as follows:   1. St. Mary's - Closeup of case & chamades 2. St. Mary's - Slightly different perspective, further back 2=BD. St. Mary's - even further back 3. Grace Cathedral - Close up of Console 4. Grace - Looking out into the nave from the choir 5. Grace - Case and stained glass, RH side of chancel   Jonathan Orwig http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html  
(back) Subject: An Apology and Explanation From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:12:08 -0500   Dear List:   I'm sorry that the listserver has been inaccessible all day. Bell South, which provides the high-speed line into my home, decided to make some changes to their switches late last night/early this morning. I had checked with them prior to this and was told that no one would notice anything. All I had to do was reconfigure the router that attaches to the line.   Well Murphy's law went into play and the changeover was all messed up. Basically from 7 this morning until just a few minutes ago all my equipment was off-line and inaccessible. I should have followed my better instinct and make an announcement prior to all of this going on so people wouldn't start worrying that something was wrong.   I can't be sorry for their problems but am sorry that I didn't make an announcement prior to this changeover. If you have sent mail and gotten back a note saying something to the effect that the mail was unable to be sent for 4 hours, don't worry about it. Mail servers keep trying to deliver mail for a period of 5 days.   As I am writing this I know that the mail is flowing again, I am hearing the disk on the listserver going like mad, so all should be well again.   David   ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers From: "Gregory F. Klingler" <klingler@IDT.NET> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:53:26 -0400       Mattcinnj@aol.com wrote:   > Hi everyone; > > I updated 7 sets of Conn pipes with 2 way 6 X 9 car speakers. These were "el > cheapo" Radio Shack speakers at $35.00 a pair. The original Conn speakers > were only (1 way) 6 X 9s. I then used them in place of the Allen HC15s > ($500 EACH) that came with the ADC 8350. All manual stops, except for the 2 > large reeds, (Choir Tuba, Swell Harmonic Trumpet) on this very large > instrument played through the Conns. First off, let me say that everyone > who heard them liked them better then the HC 15s .... yes you can hear the > sound "bounce" around the various "pipes". Also strings and solo reeds were > noticable more harmonic. All stops were rounder and multi directional. > > I sold the ADC 8350 with the original Allens and KEPT the Conn speakers. I > plan to upgrade all the Conns with 3 way better quality speakers. These will > be used with the next organ, possibly as an antiphonal arrangement. > > I have not decided on the brand of this next instrument but regardless will > purchase it without speakers. There are some unbelievable speakers available > today that create a realistic sound stage by using bi / multi polar > technology (speakers in a single cabinet pointing in various directions). > None of the big names in electronic organs utilize this technology, as far as > I know. I am lucky enough to live in NJ where a certain speaker and pipe > organ genius by the name of Richard Davidson lives and I unreservable > recommend his speakers for both high end home audio and electronic organs. I > am planning on using his speakers as the "main" organ regardless of the > brand. > > Best wishes to all ! > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   Matt,   I just read your post regarding Conn and the Richard Davidson speaker systems with great interest. I currently have a small Conn 640 practice instrument which I want to improve on the sound but, I am strongly considering a purchase of a Rodgers 33-E which has the original 6x9's but sounds horible! This being the case, I would greatly appreciate you passing on my telephone number to Mr. Davidson so I can talk further about this. I live on Staten Island, NY which is close to Perth Amboy / Woodbridge. Also, I would be interested in obtaining some sets of the Conn electronic pipes for present and future use, so, do you have any idea where I can obtain some? Feel free to call or e-mail me.   Office 718-227-2600 [9:00 - 5:00 (sometimes up to 7 - 8 PM)] Home 718-984-4443   Thanks,   Greg Klingler    
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting. From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:10:54   At 14:00 09/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hello. I'm wondering if any of you have words of encouragement, wisdom etc. for a beginning organist. (...) The hardest part for me is I'm scared out of my wits most of the time. My hands shake, my knees quake and my mouth feels like a cotton ball.   Rick, there have been a couple of points made by other posters that I'd like to reiterate here:   1) Nervousness before playing is good. I always know the adrenaline I need to be on top of things is *not* rushing if I'm not pacing and trying to control my breathing before a performance. It is a part of being a perfectionist, I guess.   2) The other point someone made is that a church congregation is supportive. I used to think it was ignorance on their part, that they can compliment me on what they perceived as a job well done, when I knew better; but at this mature time in my life (ahem!), I can see that they are really saying, "Hey, it's ok... so you made a couple of goofs... so what.... your music was inspiring, and we were brought into God's presence through it." That's all that matters.   3) A couple of hints that might help you over this hump. First of all, as others have mentioned, be prepared. Practice, practice, practice. I used to tell my students that they needed to know their music 110%, so that the 10% could go into nerves, and they could still play well.   Also, you might meditate a bit before you go on. I hope are able to steal a few minutes of quiet time before the Prelude. If that is the case, find a quiet place where you won't be interrupted, and mentally run through your music in your head..... or pray.... or visualize a quiet pleasant place.... anything to calm your nerves. And BREATHE! Breathing becomes shallow and fast during nervous episodes.... doesn't help.   When you practice: Practice the service in order, and know what comes before each piece of music. Also, practice as if you have an audience listening to you. Try to manufacture the feelings you have when you do play for a congregation, identify them, and then find a system within yourself to deal with them. That way, when they do occur in performance, you can short-circuit them before they get out of hand.   Also, in the actual playing, look ahead a little more than you might. Treat it as if you are sight-reading.   I always take a minute on the organ bench, to ask God to be at my side through the service, I then look at the music, calmly register the piece, and then begin. Don't approach any piece in the service hurriedly. Usually, there is plenty of time between one musical event and the next, and a short moment of quiet won't hurt anybody. It'll relax the pace of the service, too, and allow what went before the music to settle in before proceeding to the next event. Take the time for yourself to get into the mood of the piece as well. You will then begin to make music, rather than to play notes.   I hope some of this helps, Rick. I've been playing theatre organ, church organ, and piano in performance settings for a whole lotta years, and these are some tricks I've used throughout that time to help control the shaky hands, the wobbly knees. Hope they help you as well. :)   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers From: Mattcinnj@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:42:00 -0400 (EDT)   Hi Greg,   Just read your message. The only place I know to look for the pipes online is the WANT TO SELL paage of the Theatre Organ . Here is a hyper text link to it:   <A HREF="http://theatreorgans.com/ads/wtsello.htm">Want to Sell: Organs PAGE 1 of 2</A>   Just double click on it and start browsing !!!!   Also I will pass your name etc. onto Dick.   Keep me posted on you quest !!!!!!!  
(back) Subject: Hammond Organ model H From: JTTUNER@webtv.net (james turner) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:46:07 -0500   Hello fellow Hammond organ friends,   I am new to the group and my name is Jim Turner. A while back I bought a Hammond organ model H. It is a full size console with two sets of drawbars and 25 pedals. It is also self contained and has tubes.   It does have some problems, but I was just wondering from the rest of the group if this is a good model or if I should look for another model. I would appreciate any comments.   Thanks,   Jim Turner, Indiana        
(back) Subject: Advent Hymn Festival From: rnickel@itol.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:55:38 -0500 (CDT)   Hi, List:   Does anyone have an Advent hymn festival? I'm not thinking of the Lessons and Carols service, but an actual hymn festival featuring the great hymns of Advent. I'd appreciate any suggestions or ideas.   Bob Nickel The Moravian Church Sturgeon Bay, WI   P. S. Great advice to Rick, the "new kid on the block." Isn't it fun to remember our first services? We innocently thought that living through that first service would prepare us for the remainder of our careers. Oh, how naive! After 21 years of service playing, the unexpected still happens. Like last Sunday: Why do you suppose that pedal note stuck during the last verse of the opening hymn? And was it not the Posaune 16' stop? And did not my wife say to me during the prayer following the hymn, "Okay. So what was sticking?" My reply, "Beats me." In the immortal words of the AGO, "To God be the glory." :)          
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting. From: KEYBOARDJ@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:02:20 -0400 (EDT)     Hi Shirley,   I Just finished reading the mail to Rick, and was just amazed at what I read. It put my thoughts into words. The first time I would read your posting I realized that you were someone Special, also the the kind answers you sent to me.   I have been playing Organ since 1949, so I relate to what you were saying to Rick. I am getting ready for my Church tomorrow. I pray God to Bless you and all your efforts.   In His Service, Jerry McKinney KEYBOARD J@aol.com  
(back) Subject: RE: This is my first posting From: Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:33:48 +1000   Hi Rick, I well remember my first posting and believe you me I felt just the same = as you are feeling now. Much good advise has been given to you so I = won't try to add to it except to say that time and increased = self-confidence will cure the majority of the symptoms you are at = present suffering. Stick to it and overcome your nervousness and a = highly rewarding time will come your way. Bye the way in my first appointment there was also a dominating choir = mistress to cope with. I made sure after that in consequent appointments = I had charge of the choir as well.   Good luck Rick   Duncan Charig -----Original Message----- From: PipeChat [SMTP:pipechat@pipechat.org] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 1997 7:00 PM To: PipeChat Subject: PipeChat Digest #69 - 09/13/97   PipeChat Digest #69 - Saturday, September 13, 1997   Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic) by john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org> Re: This is my first posting. by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> Re: This is my first posting. by Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic) by Dan Emery <dptech@networx.on.ca> Re: This is my first posting.. by Patricia R. Maimone <patmai@juno.com> Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers by <Mattcinnj@aol.com> Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers by Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Re: Oxymoron and Trivia Question by <JerryM8319@aol.com> Re: This is my first posting. by <Myosotis51@aol.com> Re: Practical jokes by <Giwro@aol.com>    
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic) From: john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:16:50 -0400   At 11:40 AM 9/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >john cormack wrote: > =09 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> I know nothing about the Compton electronic so the following may >> not be applicable. I have no financial or other interest in the >> Ahlborne MIDI boxes that may be a solution to the limited >> sounds from the Compton (as you describe them) provided that >> the Compton has MIDI capability. The Ahlborne MIDI Romantic >> module provides about 20 classical organ stops allocated to >> the Swell, Great, and Pedal manuals. > > >Anybody have more info on Ahlborne, availability in the us, maybe a URL >or something???????? > >does it work with a MIDI keyboard or only organs? > >Bobby ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bobby:   It works with any MIDI keyboard, but the output is on three channels -- one output channel to the "great manual", another output to the "swell manual", and the third output to the "pedal manual". With only one keyboard, I don't know if the great and swell outputs can be sent to the keyboard simultaneously. An owner in Chicago, sorry don't remember his e-mail address,=20 uses an Ahlborne with two MIDI keyboards.   Will know more about Ahlborne modules after their engineer visits me and tries to make it compatible with my Rodgers 790.   Sincerely,   John G. "Jack" Cormack Potomac, MD -------------------------------------------------------------------       > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:51:20 -0400   Rick, Double welcome: first to the ranks of those who play regularly for worship services; and second to the LIST. My only advice to you, other than practicing and being prepared, is to remember that the people in the congregation are your friends, and almost anything you do will be wonderful to them. The main thing to remember is NEVER TRY TO SHOW OFF. Always do your best, or maybe even a little more than your best, but do is all (as the AGO motto says) "to the glory of God". I am Dean of my local AGO chapter, and as Dean I feel a special obligation to offer assistance to anyone I can, so please do not hesitate to call on me for any advice, suggestions, or if you simply need to let of steam; that is what your colleagues are for. One thing I was told when I joined AGO at age 11 or 12: in AGO we are all equal and all colleagues, and all friends. We are ALL here to support you and you have our prayers and best wishes with you always.   Bruce Cornely =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D o o o o o o o = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D o o o o o ______________ o o o o o=20 o o o o o ______________ o o o o o o o o o o ______________ o o o o o=20 OHS = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D = AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting. From: Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:17:54 -0500   Rick -=20 You're in good company! I think that I can say with much assurance that =   *all* of us have been there!   Otto+  
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic) From: Dan Emery <dptech@networx.on.ca> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 18:52:51 -0500   At 11:40 12/09/97 -0700, Bob Luderer wrote:   >john cormack wrote:   > >Anybody have more info on Ahlborne, availability in the us, maybe a URL >or something???????? >   Try the following:   http://www.generalmusic.com/ahlborn/ (General Music's site) for info.   There are 4 versions of the Archive Module, the specs. for each are = detailed.   As far as I know, all 3 divisions can be played from a single keyboard.   I don't know of US availability, only Canadian ... the Toronto Rodgers dealer (Robert Lowery) sells the Ahlborn modules.   ATB ... dpe  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting.. From: patmai@juno.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:31:34 -0400   Hello, Rick,   Welcome to the organists' club! Where are you located? Are you a member of the American Guild of Organists? What kind of instrument do = you play?   As another PIPECHATTER has advised, be sure to know your music way ahead of time.. practice it with people in the room, the obbligato vacuum of the janitor.. ;-) sing along with the melody (all stanzas of the hymn), sing along with = the alto, tenor, bass, practice with one hand on a silent keyboard.. play = for any family members and/or friends who can be urged/coerced into listening/singing..   Have you ever taped yourself playing hymns and the "incidental" music? Be sure to breathe (i.e., lift your hands off the organ) at the ends of phrases and before each new stanza..=20   Take some deep breaths; have a glass of water and some life savers or breath mints handy..   Go for it! We all were beginners once upon a time!   Sincerely,   Pat Maimone  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers From: Mattcinnj@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:01:27 -0400 (EDT)   Hi everyone;   I updated 7 sets of Conn pipes with 2 way 6 X 9 car speakers. These were = "el cheapo" Radio Shack speakers at $35.00 a pair. The original Conn = speakers were only (1 way) 6 X 9s. I then used them in place of the Allen = HC15s ($500 EACH) that came with the ADC 8350. All manual stops, except for = the 2 large reeds, (Choir Tuba, Swell Harmonic Trumpet) on this very large instrument played through the Conns. First off, let me say that = everyone who heard them liked them better then the HC 15s .... yes you can hear = the sound "bounce" around the various "pipes". Also strings and solo reeds = were noticable more harmonic. All stops were rounder and multi directional.   I sold the ADC 8350 with the original Allens and KEPT the Conn speakers. = I plan to upgrade all the Conns with 3 way better quality speakers. These = will be used with the next organ, possibly as an antiphonal arrangement.=20   I have not decided on the brand of this next instrument but regardless = will purchase it without speakers. There are some unbelievable speakers = available today that create a realistic sound stage by using bi / multi polar technology (speakers in a single cabinet pointing in various = directions). None of the big names in electronic organs utilize this technology, as = far as I know. I am lucky enough to live in NJ where a certain speaker and pipe organ genius by the name of Richard Davidson lives and I unreservable recommend his speakers for both high end home audio and electronic = organs. I am planning on using his speakers as the "main" organ regardless of the brand.   Best wishes to all !  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn electronic pipes and other speakers From: Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:40:34 -0500   I know from experience also how good the Conn pipes can sound :) I had = a=20 set connected to a practice instrument that I rented to my church while = the=20 new pipe organ was being installed. A lot of people said they didn't = know=20 an electronic could sound so good!  
(back) Subject: Re: Oxymoron and Trivia Question From: JerryM8319@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:00:38 -0400 (EDT)   I believe the artist was Lyn Larsen. The piece is John Bull's Rondo in = G.  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting. From: Myosotis51@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:25:35 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-09-12 14:59:04 EDT, Rick Williams writes:=20 =20 << =20 Hello. I'm wondering if any of you have words of encouragement, wisdom = etc. for a beginning organist. I have played for a number of years, but am beginning to play for my church. First I was going to do Sunday then = pastor thought maybe I should start with the new Wednesday evening. Great! = Only a couple of hymns and some incidental music. The hardest part for me is = I'm scared out of my wits most of the time. My hands shake, my knees quake = and my mouth feels like a cotton ball. Any input will be appreciated. = Thanks. :-)=20 >>=20 ------------------------------------------=20 =20 Hi Rick! Welcome!=20 =20 Gee, I always feel that way before I play. I used to play every Sunday, = but now I substitute at a few local churches. That's not too bad, I guess because I don't know until a day or two before that I'm going to fill = in, and I don't have time to work up a good panic attack! :-)=20 =20 My prelude is usually a straightforward piece that I know very well (generally Bach). It isn't until halfway through the first hymn that I = start to unknot. But it hasn't killed me yet, and it is getting better with = time. =20 =20 I do a few things that help me. First, lemon drops (candies) are = helpful, they get rid of the "cotton ball" effect. Second, I wear cotton gloves = until right before I start to play. They keep my hands warm and dry. Third, = try to remember that if there were any superior musicians in the = congregation, they'd be playing the organ and you'd be sitting in a pew! And, = remember Who you're really playing for......=20 =20 Good luck,=20 =20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Vicki Ceruti Myosotis51@aol.com~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  
(back) Subject: Re: Practical jokes From: Giwro@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:05:46 -0400 (EDT)   O.K., I'll go for this one....   When I was in college at Arizona College of the Bible, my roommate and i cooked up a really good one. It was Christmas time (finals, = concerts,etc) and we were all a bit punchy. My roomie worked at Walgreens, and one = evening he brought home a damaged Christams card - you know the kind, that play carols and songs when you open the card....   ...ANYway, it was damaged, so we took it apart, and found that when one opened the card, it pulled out a piece of cardboard from between the electrical contacts, thus allowing the device to "play". After a little brainstorming, we found someone with keys to the chapel (the next day = was the LAST chapel of the year before Christmas...) and did some serious work = in preparation. Now you must understand that we didn't have a suitable = organ OR organist, and so, chapel worship was usually=20 led by piano...   We put the cardboard between the contacts and attached a thread to it. = Next we crawled under the grand piano, and taped the device securely to the soundboard. The thread was run down to the sustain pedal, so that it = would pull out the cardboard and activate the device when the pedal was depressed...   Chapel started with a rousing rendition of "Joy to the World". When it = was over, there was a prayer, during which the device blithely chimed = "Jingle Bells". While the prayer was going on, the pianist was madly groping = around the piano in a futile attempt to find the offending thing, but to no = avail. As soon as the "Amen" was said he quickly asumed a nonchalant air of indifference, and proceeded with the next carol. The "music" continued through the whole service, and not once did anyone make reference to it, = in fact the colloge president preached as if it weren't even there. After chapel, though, there was a mad rush to the piano - it took them at = least 10 minutes to figure it out...   My roommate and I had sore ribs for a week from holding in our laughter = and elbowing each other. Later, the president's son told me his dad thought = it was enormously funny, and wished more stuff like that would happen....   Ahhh, those were the days...   Jonathan Orwig