PipeChat Digest #74 - Wednesday, September 17, 1997
 
Re: This is my first posting.. (Beginning Organist)
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: This is my first posting.. -Reply
  by Rick Williams <Rick@netlink.nlink.com>
Re: Wedding Music - HELP
  by KARL W KELLER <kwkeller@juno.com>
Re: This is my first posting.. (Beginning Organist)
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: UK Value of a Compton electronic
  by Bill Ziegler <bill.datasound@juno.com>
Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist
  by <WiegandCJ@aol.com>
Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Sneezing at the Console
  by Brian E. McLaughlin <aeolian@erols.com>
TEST (don't bother! )
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: Sneezing at the Console
  by Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net>
Re:  Memorable 1st Svc Playing Exp (mostly non-organic)
  by Patricia R. Maimone <patmai@juno.com>
Re: Being let go....
  by <pniki@firstavenue.com>
Re: Hammond Organ model H
  by <Jnordm@aol.com>
Re: Revoicing bad stops
  by <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Wedding Music - HELP
  by <OrgGrinder@aol.com>
Sneezing while playing & other great career moments...
  by <OrgGrinder@aol.com>
Re:  Wedding Music - HELP
  by Ken and Chris Potter <tracker@j51.com>
Re:  This is my first posting
  by Ken and Chris Potter <tracker@j51.com>
Re: Sneezing while playing & other great career moments...
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
 


(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting.. (Beginning Organist) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 06:54:55 -0500 (CDT)   At 11:47 PM 9/15/97 +0000, Ken Sybesma wrote:   >I've had nose bleeds spring up on me unexpectedly (like they're >expected, Ken?); try pinching your nose closed and continue playing that >hymn uninterrupted.   Nose bleeds can be extremely nasty at the console. I once had a friend who was very prone to them and had one in the middle of a recital. Blood was dripping all over the keyboards and it was not a pretty sight. There was not a lot he could do about it.   We always have a box of tissues at the ready on our organ console for the benefit of both the organist and choir members. It comes in useful for tears and sweaty fingers as well as sneezes.   Talking of covering up loud sneezes with chords reminds me of the famous story of Max Reger that some of you may know. At the beginning of an organ recital he found he was having a flatulence problem. "No problem," he thought, "I'll wait until the big chord at the beginning of my first piece and then let it out." Alas! he forgot to turn on the organ blower. The audience fell about laughing.   John    
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting.. -Reply From: Rick Williams <Rick@netlink.nlink.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:37:42 -0500   ist: l.   >>> bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net> 09/14/97 04:08PM >>> Rick, what kind of problems is your Wicks having. As you see below, I have one too. I do most of the repairs myself and will be happy to share any with you that mght be useful (and join AGO today!). Wicks are really very simple machines. How old, how large, ? stoplist. I am presently doing some tonal adjustment to our Wicks. If you are interested, I'll fill you in. Best,   bruce   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music - HELP From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:41:57 EDT       SHERIDAN ASKED:   >How ya gunna walk down the aisle AND play??? > >Don't tell me you're getting a sub to play for your daughter's >wedding? >   REPLY:   I'm going to walk and PAY. Besides my daughter would not approve of my musical selections which would be:   Processional - "Get Me To The Church On Time" Solo by the groom - "Married I Can Always Get" Solo by the bride - "The Man I Love" Solo by bride's mother - "Pennies From Heaven" Incidental music during service - "Medley from Star Wars" Recessional - "Aba Daba Honeymoon"   Of course all the organ music would have to be recorded using the 3/66 Kimball theatre organ at Dickinson High School. The organ at the church is only a 29 rank Moller with funny looking "drawbars".   Karl     PS: Please accept the above with my <BG>.  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting.. (Beginning Organist) From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:44:31 +0000   John L. Speller wrote:   > Nose bleeds can be extremely nasty at the console. I once had a > friend who > was very prone to them and had one in the middle of a recital. Blood > was > dripping all over the keyboards and it was not a pretty sight. There > was > not a lot he could do about it.   Uck! In this sort of instance I would have stopped playing. Blood on the keyboards? What a mess to have cleaned up! No recital is worth that.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: UK Value of a Compton electronic From: bill.datasound@juno.com (Bill Ziegler) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:27:50 -0500   A Compton Electronic Organ.....Hummmm. I have a set of prints for that organ. I used to service the only Compton in America, I have been told. It was in a church in Commack Long Island, NY. It was an interesting organ, at best. The technology was based on electrostatic tone generation producing sine and half sine waves. The combination of the octaves and waveshapes produced the tonal spectrun used in the system. There were no active voicing components in the organ. All keys of the organ were in a remote cabinet and all stop swiches operated soleniods in the cabinet. Operated much like a Klann remote action system   As far as value, nostalgia only! Electronic parts would be very sparce at best. As far as sound, on a scale from 1-10 a 3.   Have fun!   Bill Ziegler     On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:37:43 -0400 john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org> writes: >At 07:44 PM 9/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >>Friends: >> >>A local church has a two manual Compton electronic which is very >>reminiscent of one my school had in the 70's. >> >>It is very 'basic' sounding, and I think they are getting frustrated >with >>it. Now, hold your breath... their organist wants "one of those new >>keyboards ... they have great organ sounds these days". Please don't >say >>anything, I'm only quoting him ;-) >> >>The question is how much is it worth? ... don't forget I'm in the UK. >I >>'feel' that the Hammond tone cabinet they have an extension speaker >might >>be worth more! >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >I know nothing about the Compton electronic so the following may >not be applicable. I have no financial or other interest in the >Ahlborne MIDI boxes that may be a solution to the limited >sounds from the Compton (as you describe them) provided that >the Compton has MIDI capability. The Ahlborne MIDI Romantic >module provides about 20 classical organ stops allocated to >the Swell, Great, and Pedal manuals. > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>BTW, if it is the same technology as the one I played at school, the >tone >>generation was very innovative ... but that's another story. >> >>TIA >> >>David N. >>=============================================================== >>David J Neal, Wrexham, Wales, UK >>home: david@neal.u-net.com work: dneal@yale.ac.uk > >>=============================================================== >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist From: WiegandCJ@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:03:39 -0400 (EDT)   In einer eMail vom 16.09.1997 03:33:32, schreiben Sie:   << Has anyone heard this person play, either in concert or on disc? He apparently played in May this year at the DC National Cathedral. He has also concertized extensively in the UK, and has made a number of recordings. >> In Germany available is the following CD:   200 Jahre russische Orgelmusik v.Glinka,Odoyevsky,Taneyev,Cui,Homilius, Lyapunov,Tscherepnin,Nikolayev,Gliere, Glasunow,Schostakowitsch,Gedike,Schnittke, Nierenburg,Gubaidulina Alexei Fiseisky/Orgel der Tallin Kathedrale Label: Etc,DDD,91/92 Anzahl CD's: 2CD Preis: 72,95 DM Bestell Nr.: 6541101   You can order it online: http://www.jpc.de   Carl  
(back) Subject: Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:51:32 -0500 (CDT)   At 01:03 PM 9/16/97 -0400, Carl wrote:   ><< Has anyone heard this person play, either in concert or on disc? He > apparently played in May this year at the DC National Cathedral. He has > also concertized extensively in the UK, and has made a number of > recordings. > >> >In Germany available is the following CD: > >200 Jahre russische Orgelmusik >v.Glinka,Odoyevsky,Taneyev,Cui,Homilius, >Lyapunov,Tscherepnin,Nikolayev,Gliere, >Glasunow,Schostakowitsch,Gedike,Schnittke, Nierenburg,Gubaidulina >Alexei Fiseisky/Orgel der Tallin Kathedrale >Label: Etc,DDD,91/92 >Anzahl CD's: 2CD >Preis: 72,95 DM >Bestell Nr.: 6541101 > >You can order it online: http://www.jpc.de   This looks fascinating. Tallinn is of course the capital of Estonia. It strikes me as curious, however, that a Russian should be recording Russian organ music on an organ in Estonia at a time when there are apparently (from what one reads in the newspapers) difficulties between the native Estonians and Russian immigrants in that country. Also, does anyone know what kind of organ there is in Tallinn Cathedral?   I wonder what the piece by Alexander Glazunov is. Many years ago I heard a quite gorgeous organ piece called *Fantasy* by him, which consisted of a series of variations building to a tremendous climax. I have been looking for a recording of it ever since, and wonder if this CD has it. The only Russian piece most people know is *Toccata* by Georgi Mushel, but from what I have heard of Russian organ music there is a lot of good stuff out there.   John    
(back) Subject: Re: Sneezing at the Console From: "Brian E. McLaughlin" <aeolian@erols.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:26:36 -0400   rnickel@itol.com wrote: SNIP I would have been better off sneezing. BTW, as a hay > fever sufferer, I've always wondered what the rest of you do if you feel a > sneeze coming on while you're playing? Do you just cut loose all over the > console? <BG>   Regrettably, I have. Note- push the cancel before cleaning the keys. <G>  
(back) Subject: TEST (don't bother! ) From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:32:58 -0700 (PDT)   test    
(back) Subject: Re: Sneezing at the Console From: Stephen F P Karr <karrlist@scescape.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:48:04 -0400 (EDT)   >>Do you just cut loose all over the console? <BG> > >Regrettably, I have. Note- push the cancel before cleaning the keys. ><G>   I also am a sneezer. It's probably a lot safer on a pure tracker than on an EP or fully electronic action (or just plain electronic). It's a good thing I've not had any really big ones come on while I was playing.   Happy nasal expulsions,   _____ | |_____ | || |_____ |Stephen || |_____ ______|F.P. Karr| || |_____ ______ |o o || || || || || |_____ | o o| | o o||Student Organist || || |_____ |o o | |o o || || || || || || || | | o o| | o o||Director of Music and Organist, | |o o | |o o || Bethlehem Lutheran Church|| | | o o| | o o|| || || || || || || | |o o | |o o || Aiken, SC || || || || | | o o| | o o| \ / \ / \U/ \S/ \A/ \ / \ / |o o | |o o | V V V V V V V | o o| | o o|_____________________________________|o o | |o o || E E | E E E | E E | E E E | E E | || o o| | o o||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_||o o |    
(back) Subject: Re: Memorable 1st Svc Playing Exp (mostly non-organic) From: patmai@juno.com (Patricia R. Maimone) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:19:27 -0400   Dear Jim,   I was very moved by your description of your first prelude playing and your mother's presence at the event. My very best wishes to you and your mother.   My mother is now 85 and is not able to attend every single one of the services/concerts/recitals in which my sister Barbara Rogers and/or I play and/or direct the way she used to do... Now she introduces other performers prior to their concerts at her retirement home in Jamesburg, NJ. She has also learned how to operate the retirement home community's VCR to show movies.   To add somewhat of an organic note to the proceedings, she shared with me that Lester Berenbroick, who retired about 1 year ago from Drew University in Madison, NJ, and from a church (Presby?/Methodist?) in Madison, NJ, returned faithfully from weekends at the Jersey shore on Sundays to play the Conn or, after its removal, the Yamaha grand piano.     Cheers!   Pat Maimone  
(back) Subject: Re: Being let go.... From: pniki@firstavenue.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:10:44 -0500   The least painful way for a church to terminate employment to is to be honest and forthright. If thing shave changed, or there are personality conflicts, the church has a right to terminate the organist. One would like to think that they would do this in a way that is true to the faith and not backbite, gossip or spend so much time trying to avoid the situation or trying to be nice (remember, nowhere in the bible does it say to be nice!) that they do more harm than good. Having dealt with many situations through the RCCO I've seen more nastiness come out of churches than I care to admit. If the organist is competent and knows it and no longer fits in a situation, reasonable notice tied to the years experience, years of incumbency in the current position and fair reasons why the contract (verbal or written) would be what I consider fair and Christian treatment.   Consider some of the following examples of badly botched situations (all real life and all of which I have been involved in one way or another):   Organist A is not liked by the minister. After much conflict, he is greeted after church one Sunday and told he has half an hour to clean out her stuff from the church and he is escorted out of the building like a criminal.   Organist B has been at one of the most prestigious posts in the country for over 15 years, is doing well and at the height of her musical career. The church consults a labour lawyer who suggests that one month's notice for every year of service will cover them nicely under Ontario labour laws. While the priest is conveniently on sabbatical (the priest has always hated this organist) she is called to a meeting with the powers that be and handed a letter saying she is terminated in 15 months. This, of course, leaves her both a lame duck and looking somewhat a fool. At the first opportunity she takes an equivalent job and leaves them high and dry with a month's notice. Needless to say, there were problems on both sides, but the church behaved abominably to this organist. (This is the very short version of the story).   There are endless others confirming that in Canada, at least, home to socialist values still, the church is the last great abusive employer left. In most denominations, musicians don't even officially exist in this country.   Peter Nikiforuk Executive Director, RCCO     Message routed through FIRSTline's SMTP Gateway.   First Avenue Information Systems Inc. People. Solutions. Service. (519) 746-5630    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Organ model H From: Jnordm@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:05:30 -0400 (EDT)   Al Goff, Hammond Rock Guru says the H is a piece of dung, however, any chance to own a tone wheel organ to me is OK. I love the sound of the X-77-66 and suspect that they share components w/ the H (ie they have the same draw bar arrangement). If any one can help, though, what are the extra drawbars for over and above the typical A, B, C, 9 per manual and what are the pitches? Thanks, and I'm apologizing in advance for inciting another Hammond fire!  
(back) Subject: Re: Revoicing bad stops From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:57:58 -0400 (EDT)   Bruce-- You said your Geigen is ugly. Is the scale too small? I rescaled and revoiced an very keen Moller gamba-- rescaled it by about 4 pipes and then removed the beards and just very slightly raised the cut-up-- It turned into a beautiful Viola that really blended with the Gedeckt that I filled in the nicks with candle wax. So if it is ugly by all means keep experimenting. It may make a better 8' String than you have presently!   I learned alot when John Hendriksen, who worked with A-S in the 50's and 60's came to my church and revoiced the 1979 Moller series organ there. When he was finished I had an EXCELLENT Principal, Bourdon, Gemshorn, 4' Spitzflute, Trompette, and an older Oboe and Skinner Clarinet that I added, and a big Old Pedal Bdn. I hardly ever used the extensions because the revoiced stops were so satisfying by themselves. The 8' Principal in the good acoustics literally wrapped its luscious sound around you. I have a 22 rank straight neo classic organ now, and I miss the little Moller/Hendriksen organ!!   Those of you out there with that "useless" stop, ask your organ person about revoicing. You may be surprised. The downside is that once you start, you have to do the same procedure to the other stops to make them good too!!   RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music - HELP From: OrgGrinder@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:22:34 -0400 (EDT)   >How ya gunna walk down the aisle AND play???   >Don't tell me you're getting a sub to play for your daughter's wedding?   When the days come for my (now) 19- and 13-year-old daughters' weddings, I want the organ to have a sequencer with remote control, so I can carry the remote in my back pocket, aim it toward the console, and "hit it" for the prelude, processional and recessional; thereby playing the music for their weddings AND walking them down the aisle!!   Chord-ially yours,   Dan Miller Minister of Music Calvary Church, Charlotte NC OrgGrinder@aol.com http://wcbi.com/organs/laird/calvary/index.html http://wcbi.com/organs/laird/calvary/calv_cds.html          
(back) Subject: Sneezing while playing & other great career moments... From: OrgGrinder@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:23:03 -0400 (EDT)   Hi List --   Sure, I've sneezed and coughed occasionally while playing, even as recent as last Sunday; it seems that I can most always manage to momentarily free up one hand to "cover up" (Mom would be pleased!).   One Sunday several years ago as I was just beginning to play the postlude, I sensed that my nose was running. Sniffing didn't seem to take care of it, so at the first free moment, my left hand rubbed my nose and I realized I had a nosebleed! I continued to play the postlude (at a faster tempo!) with only right hand and pedals (left hand holding my nose shut), made a BIG cut to the end of the piece; then ran off the bench to take care of my nose! Yuk!   Now, how about *this* dilemma: At our church, the Senior Pastor and some of the other pastors, plus the organist (Monty), our worship/song leader, and myself, sit in nice upholstered pulpit chairs on the platform directly behind the central pulpit (Baptist church style). One Sunday not very long ago, as I was finally taking my seat for the sermon (I had been up to conduct the choir and then play the piano to accompany the offertory), I noticed that my zipper was down! (I realized why the choir seemed to be smiling more than usual during their anthem!) Anyway, I wondered HOW in the world will I discreetly get this zipper pulled back up? Here I am, in full view of 2,400 people with my Bible and hymnbook purposely covering up my lap! I endured this grief until the pastor's final prayer, in which I quickly remedied the problem!   C'est la vie <sigh>   Chord-ially yours,   Dan Miller Minister of Music Calvary Church, Charlotte NC OrgGrinder@aol.com http://wcbi.com/organs/laird/calvary/index.html http://wcbi.com/organs/laird/calvary/calv_cds.html              
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Music - HELP From: tracker@j51.com (Ken and Chris Potter) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:46:25 -0500   Karl Keller writes:   >I am sure someone on the List can help me. My daughter is being married >in November and would like to have the processional the same as was used >for the Royal Wedding of Princess Diana and Charles. It is my belief >that this was "Trumpet Voluntary in D" by Henry Purcell but I have a >recording of wedding music by Virgil Fox in which he plays "Trumpet >Voluntary in D" composed by H. Purcell or his younger brother Daniel >Purcell. This is the same music which I identify with "Trumpet Tune" by >J. Clarke. I hope one of our distinguished church organists can help us >out.   The piece is "Prince of Denmark March" by Jeremiah Clarke. I'm playing it yet again this Saturday for the umpty-umph time for yet another bride. The edition I play from is an old one from the fifties and indeed it is titled "Trumpet Voluntary in D by Henry Purcell. It had been attributed to Purcell for many years till someone found an original manuscript in Clarke's hand and the error was corrected. A lot of music got attributed in this way by publishers who either didn't know any better or wanted to sell copies by attributing it to someone famous. I think quite a few of Bach's pieces are really by others including the 8 Little Preludes and Fugues and perhaps even the T&F in d if you believe some musicologists who seem to believe it was written originally in the key of a and for unaccompanied violin. Jaap Schroder played it to prove it could be done. Wasn't there an article on this in the AGO mag a few years back? Oh well, At least I don't have to play "Candle In the Wind" for tomorrow's funeral! I'm sure it's coming soon though. <sigh>   Ken   ============================================================================ Kenneth G. Potter, Minister of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square 914/358-2528 2500 Westchester Avenue, Bronx, NY 10461 tracker@j51.com ============================================================================                  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting From: tracker@j51.com (Ken and Chris Potter) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:58:29 -0500   PI>In a message dated 97-09-15 15:14:21 EDT, zimmerman@chem.purdue.edu writes:   PI>> I've always wondered what the rest of you do if you feel a PI>> sneeze coming on while you're playing? Do you just cut loose all over th PI>> console? <BG>   Wasn't there a funny story about Max Reger (I think it was him) having a problem with flatulence? It seems he could feel some major pressure building during a concert and decided to release it when he began a piece on full organ. As his hands went down on a big chord he let 'er rip only to discover that there were no stops on!   The other piece of bathroom humor concerning Reger was a story oft told by Virgil Fox about an ongoing battle between Reger and Karg-Elert. Each man believed the other's music to be pure c*** regardless of the fact that they wrote in very similar styles. Karg-Elert often had the upper hand in that he was also a critic for a Leipzig newspaper. After the premiere of a new work by Reger, Karg-Elert predictably blasted him. Reger sent him a coy note which read something like: "I am sitting in the smallest room in my house with your review before me. It will soon be behind me!"   Ken (who believes that flatulence will get you nowhere)   ============================================================================ Kenneth G. Potter, Minister of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square 914/358-2528 2500 Westchester Avenue, Bronx, NY 10461 tracker@j51.com ============================================================================                  
(back) Subject: Re: Sneezing while playing & other great career moments... From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:43:23 +0000   OrgGrinder@aol.com wrote:   > One Sunday not very long ago...I noticed that my > zipper was down! (I realized why the choir seemed to be smiling more > than > usual during their anthem!) Anyway, I wondered HOW in the world will I > > discreetly get this zipper pulled back up? Here I am, in full view of > 2,400 > people with my Bible and hymnbook purposely covering up my lap! I > endured > this grief until the pastor's final prayer, in which I quickly > remedied the > problem!   Ah! But not everyone closes their eyes during the prayers! And now you know what you've been missing when you do. : )   Ken Sybesma