PipeChat Digest #76 - Thursday, September 18, 1997
 
Re: Revoicing bad stops
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Hammond Organ model H
  by Richard B. Ahlvin <rahlvin@magnolia.net>
Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist
  by <WiegandCJ@aol.com>
Re:  This is my first posting
  by Mark Huth <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Hammond Organ model H
  by Adrianne Schutt <maybe@accel.net>
Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: This is my first posting
  by Gary Wirsz <wirszg@juno.com>
Re: Hammond Organ model H
  by <MFulk70776@aol.com>
Re: Hammond Organ model H + H-100
  by <MFulk70776@aol.com>
The organ in St.Paul's Chapel, Columbia University, New York.
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: Revoicing bad stops
  by <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: This is my first posting
  by Tom Jones <tomj@netpath.net>
The organ in St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia University.
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Re: To be an Organbuilder
  by <MWORGLBAU@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Revoicing bad stops From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:00:04 -0400   Randy, The Geigen is for lack of a more non - descriptive word -- DULL. Sort of like licking cardboard (as I recall, hehe). Yesterday I trimmed the Dolcan Celeste to 2-2/3 so that it will work as the 2-2/3 - 2 unit in the original design. It is a very pleasant open flute sound and appears that it will work well with the st flute. The gamba celeste is about half done and produces a much warmer principal sound than the geigen, and slightly rounder and softer than the great octave. The test notes I've done with the st flute 8, principal 4 & flute 2 indicate that this will be successful. I really can't tell because nothing in the swell has been finished tuned, since all work is done without AC. Hopefully I've managed to shed a few pounds in the heat. The geigen is a slotted pipe with low cut-ups. I prefer that it remain principal tone, because that it what I use most in choir accompaniment. The gamba is an ok 50's string about midway between a Viola and a keen sound. Any suggestions for more principal sound (it really isn't stringy, very hard to describe). I've considered removing the slots, but tests with them taped closed didn't seem to make much difference; what about trimming them off. Unfortunately (??), since we are getting a new organ in a couple of years, the church does not want to spend any money, so (re)finishing is out of the picture. It is my guess that this organ was never really finished. That is the case in so many of the organs in this area. Thanks for your help.   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Organ model H From: "Richard B. Ahlvin" <rahlvin@magnolia.net> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:52:52 -0500   Jnordm@aol.com wrote: > > Al Goff, Hammond Rock Guru says the H is a piece of dung, however, any > chance to own a tone wheel organ to me is OK. I love the sound of the > X-77-66 > and suspect that they share components w/ the H (ie they have the same draw > bar arrangement). If any one can help, though, what are the extra drawbars > for > over and above the typical A, B, C, 9 per manual and what are the pitches? > Thanks, and I'm apologizing in advance for inciting another Hammond fire! There are more tone wheels in the H & X-77 than in the usual A,B,C,RT,etc. The extra drawbars on the manuals are mixtures of higher harmonics than are available on the A,B,C,RT,etc. (If I remember correctly, there is a little red dot in the black drawbars indicating that they are not individual harmonics.) There are also two extra (black) drawbars on the pedals. They also provide other harmonic mixtures for the pedal. (They control mixtures of tones i.e. they are not the individual harmonics like are available on the manuals.) Also, the H and X-77 are the only tone-wheel consoles that have pedal sustain. There are several percussion sounds available and the keying can be switched to be keyed every time a key is hit (like many electronics) or only when no other key is down (like the 'traditional' B-3 et.al.). The H and X-77 are much more orchestral organs than the typical A,B,C,etc. as there are many more tone sources and more kinds of animation available than on the classics. The X-66 tones are created electronicaly using dividers. The top octave is generated by tone wheels. Internaly it is completely different from the H, X-77 and all other tone-wheel Hammonds. The 10-12 tone cabinet (for the H) has 5 channels. I think that the X-66 cabinet has 7. There is some similiarity in the cabinets internally but they will not interchange. When it is working O-K (and I had one that did not give me any trouble) the H coupled to a 10-12 tone cabinet is an awsome combination! >   -- Richard B. Ahlvin e-mail: rahlvin@magnolia.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist From: WiegandCJ@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:18:16 -0400 (EDT)   In einer eMail vom 16.09.1997 19:54:29, schreiben Sie:   << Also, does anyone know what kind of organ there is in Tallinn Cathedral? >> This organ was built by Sauer in those days, when East Prussia belonged to Germany yet. The -then- eastern German provinces were in close neighborhoud to the Baltic states, and so many German products went to the Baltics, and organs too. The Riga Cathedral has a German organ too, in this case from Walcker.   Carl  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:14:12 PDT     Ken Potter shared this:   > After the premiere of a new work by Reger, Karg-Elert predictably > blasted him. Reger sent him a coy note which read something like: > "I am sitting in the smallest room in my house with your review > before me. It will soon be behind me!"   Great story. I also heard once that Aaron Copeland doesn't really appreciate the music of Van Williams much at all. When asked about the VW 5th Symphony, Copeland said, "Listening to it is like staring at a cow for 45 minutes."     Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instrument Corporation mhuth@rodgers.rain.com   Completely out of my mind. Will return in five minutes.    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Organ model H From: Adrianne Schutt <maybe@accel.net> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:32:42 -0400   At 09:05 PM 9/16/97 -0400, jnordm@aol.com wrote in part: >Al Goff, Hammond Rock Guru says the H is a piece of dung, however, any >chance to own a tone wheel organ to me is OK. Apologies for being picky, but the H is not a tonewheel Hammond...it is a Novachord. I believe you mean the H-100 (oodles of TWs and drawbars)...completely different monster. Just FYI, the Hammond/Leslie model list is online at http://www.phys.ucl.ac.uk/~bp/hammonds/models.html Personally, I don't pay too much attention to what others say about this model vs that model. Each organ has its own personality...if you find one that touches you, take it home and love it!   >Thanks, and I'm apologizing in advance for inciting another Hammond fire! You may want to put your question to the Hammond List as well. I know several list members own H-100s...as well as one owning an H (a fascinating instrument if you ever get the chance to hear one!!).   Have fun! Adrianne ;-> maybe@accel.net E/147, CV/122/PR-40, M3/125  
(back) Subject: Re: Alex. Fiseisky, Russian organist From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:48:53 -0500 (CDT)   At 12:18 PM 9/17/97 -0400, Carl Wiegand wrote: >In einer eMail vom 16.09.1997 19:54:29, schreiben Sie: > ><< Also, does anyone know what kind of > organ there is in Tallinn Cathedral? >> >This organ was built by Sauer in those days, when East Prussia belonged to >Germany yet.   I imagine this would have been in the 1920's or 1930's, around the time when Danzig/Gdansk was a free city belonging to neither Poland nor Germany.   The -then- eastern German provinces were in close neighborhoud >to the Baltic states, and so many German products went to the Baltics, and >organs too. The Riga Cathedral has a German organ too, in this case from >Walcker.   The Riga Cathedral instrument is of course a very famous one. Then there is also the vast Liepaja instrument. In the 1880's Latvia had the *two* largest organs in the world! I have a CD of the Riga Dom instrument, and one hears quite a bit about Latvian organs, but almost nothing about Estonian and Lithuanian ones. It would be interesting to learn something about Estonian organbuilders too. There is an interesting article by David Dahl in *The Tracker* 40:2 (1996) pp. 21ff. on the organ in Sitka Lutheran Church, Alaska, built by E. Kessler of Dorpat (Tartu), Estonia, as his Op. 45 of 1844. This is the oldest organ in Alaska and was built at the time when both Estonia and Alaska were under Russian rule.   JLS        
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting From: wirszg@juno.com (Gary Wirsz) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:07:56 -0400     On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:14:12 PDT "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> writes: > >Ken Potter shared this: > >> After the premiere of a new work by Reger, Karg-Elert predictably >> blasted him. Reger sent him a coy note which read something like: >> "I am sitting in the smallest room in my house with your review >> before me. It will soon be behind me!" > >Great story. I also heard once that Aaron Copeland doesn't really >appreciate the music of Van Williams much at all. When asked about >the VW 5th Symphony, Copeland said, "Listening to it is like staring >at a cow for 45 minutes." > > >Mark > > > >Mark Huth >Rodgers Instrument Corporation >mhuth@rodgers.rain.com > >Completely out of my mind. Will return in five minutes. > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > Mark That's "Vaughan Williams". I would suggest that such a comment from Copeland should rank him right up their with Isaac Stern and his opinion about organs! At least Vaughan Williams wrote symphonies in his later years. Four of which were completed after the age of 75.   Gary Wirsz Tampa, Fl  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Organ model H From: MFulk70776@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:44:15 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-09-17 11:55:55 EDT, you write:   > Al Goff, Hammond Rock Guru says the H is a piece of dung, however, any > chance to own a tone wheel organ to me is OK. I love the sound of the > X-77-66 > and suspect that they share components w/ the H-100 (ie they have the same draw > bar arrangement). If any one can help, though, what are the extra drawbars > for> over and above the typical A, B, C, 9 per manual and what are the pitches? > Thanks, and I'm apologizing in advance for inciting another Hammond fire!   ************Please Note that the Model H Hammond Organ is the Novachord, which was completely electronic, and was introduced in 1939. The much later, by about 25 years, Model H-100, is the tone wheel Hammond Organ.**************************************************     There are more tone wheels in the H-100 & X-77 than in the usual A,B,C,RT,etc.*********Actually, both generators contain the same number of wheels-96-however, on the H and X-77, wheels 92 through 96 are actual tone wheels, while on the other models...a,b,c,rt, etc., these wheels are blank. >The extra drawbars on the manuals are mixtures of higher harmonics than are available on the A,B,C,RT,etc.********Well, partly; there are only 5 frequwncies on the H-100 and X-77, that are not on the others. The extra contacts and busbars and mixtures are the main smacks. These organs contain, on the upper manual, two extra sets of drawbars containing the 7th and 9th harmonics, and 10th and 12th harmonics.........on the lower, there is one extra drawbar that carries the 7th and 9th harmonics.........in total, there are 16 busbars on the upper manual and 13 on the lower; the extra busbars control, besides the extra siganals, other special effects on the organs such as harp sustain.   > (If I remember correctly, there is a little red dot in the black drawbars indicating that they are not individual harmonics.) *********No, this drawbar, which contains the tenth and twelfth hamonics is only on the M Series   > There are also two extra (black) drawbars on the pedals. They also provide other harmonic mixtures for the pedal. (They control mixtures of tones i.e. they are not the individual harmonics like are available on the manuals.)********The H-100 and X -77series use differently mixed harmonics, and actually use only 7 harmonics in contrast the to the other models, a,b,d,rt, which have 8 harmonics available on the pedals.   > Also, the H-100 and X-77 are the only tone-wheel consoles that have pedal sustain. There are several percussion sounds available and the keying can be switched to be keyed every time a key is hit (like many electronics) or only when no other key is down (like the 'traditional' B-3 et.al.). The H and X-77 are much more orchestral organs than the typical A,B,C,etc. as there are many more tone sources and more kinds of animation available than on the classics. The X-66 tones are created electronicaly using dividers. The top octave is generated by tone wheels. Internaly it is completely different from the H, X-77 and all other tone-wheel Hammonds. ********The T Series also have pedal sustain.   >The 10-12 tone cabinet (for the H) has 5 channels.********** The Model 10 tone cabinet for the H-100 has three channels bass, and Treble A, and Treble B, which are stereophonic in order to carry the stereophonic vibrato and stereophonic celeste   >I think that the X-66 cabinet has 7*********The model 12 tone cabinet for the X-66 has five channels, A and B stereo sine wave, (Tibia), channels with stereo vibrato and celeste, bright wave channel, reverb channel, and bass channel.   >There is some similiarity in the cabinets internally but they will not interchange.********Correct   > When it is working O-K (and I had one that did not give me any trouble) the H coupled to a 10-12 tone cabinet is an awsome combination!********I most certainly agree. *********Model H is The Novachord...........Model H-100 is the tone wheel Hammond**********  
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond Organ model H + H-100 From: MFulk70776@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:02:45 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-09-17 14:18:39 EDT, you write:   << I know several list members own H-100s...as well as one owning an H (a fascinating instrument if you ever get the chance to hear one!!). >> I have three working Novachords....Hammond Model H.......and an H-100,.and I am on the Hammond List. Inquiries are welcome.  
(back) Subject: The organ in St.Paul's Chapel, Columbia University, New York. From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:56:05 -0400   For one of my upcoming radio programmes I am planning to play some of the music from an old LP that I picked up today at the local Goodwill Store. I am finding that a lot of collectors are getting rid of their LPs and for those of us who are willing to search through a lot of rubbish find the occasional gem, - this recording is as good as the day it was pressed!   The recording is an old Columbia LP ML 4097 (c.1950's), which has E. Power Biggs playing Bach on the organ of St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia University, New York City.   The sleeve notes are written by E. Power Biggs himself, but omits any reference to the organ. I would like to be able to tell my listeners something about the organ, who built it, when, and some idea of its specs.   I am sure that some-one on the lists will know and will be able to send me the information.   Thanks in advance!       Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Organic DeeJay Emeritus, - but back in the saddle for this Session! CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA    
(back) Subject: Re: Revoicing bad stops From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:56:36 -0400 (EDT)   Bruce--   Try raising the cut-up on the Geigen without rescaling. It will help if even just the slightest adjustment is made :-)  
(back) Subject: Re: This is my first posting From: Tom Jones <tomj@netpath.net> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:14:46 -0400   Gentlemen:   I have no great sympathy for one with such low regard for RVW, but his name is "Copland," not "Copeland."   At 19.07 9/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > >On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:14:12 PDT "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> >writes: >> >>Ken Potter shared this: >> >>> After the premiere of a new work by Reger, Karg-Elert predictably >>> blasted him. Reger sent him a coy note which read something like: >>> "I am sitting in the smallest room in my house with your review >>> before me. It will soon be behind me!" >> >>Great story. I also heard once that Aaron Copeland doesn't really >>appreciate the music of Van Williams much at all. When asked about >>the VW 5th Symphony, Copeland said, "Listening to it is like staring >>at a cow for 45 minutes." >> >> >>Mark >> >> >> >>Mark Huth >>Rodgers Instrument Corporation >>mhuth@rodgers.rain.com >> >>Completely out of my mind. Will return in five minutes. >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >Mark > >That's "Vaughan Williams". I would suggest that such a comment from >Copeland should rank him right up their with Isaac Stern and his opinion >about organs! At least Vaughan Williams wrote symphonies in his later >years. Four of which were completed after the age of 75. > >Gary Wirsz >Tampa, Fl > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: The organ in St. Paul's Chapel, Columbia University. From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:22:23 -0400   Thanks to Harold Stover, I have all the details regarding the Aeolian Skinner organ in St. Paul's Chapel of Columbia University.   If anyone else would like to receive a copy of Harold's email to me let me know, - if there is a big demand, I will forward the information to both the lists, but if there is not there is no point in taking up too much bandwidth.   Thanks,   Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Organic DeeJay Emeritus, - but back in the saddle for this Session! CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA    
(back) Subject: Re: To be an Organbuilder From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:30:30 -0400 (EDT)   Dear Andries,   Saw your posting on the above subject. I'm not sure if the following I.S.O. collegeues are in the position of taking on an apprentice at this point or not, but I thought that I could provide you with their names and addresses for you to contact, since they live in your country. They are:   Byrne Pipe Organ Builders CC P.O. Box 323 Pinetown Durban 3600 (61)031 701 7162   Cooper, Gill & Tomkins And Associates CC Organ House Voortrekker Rd. Maitland Cape Town 7405 (27) 21 687 1799   Colin Hele P.O. Box 1473 Pietermaritzburg 3200 (27)021 934 0717   Southern Organ Builders P.O. Box 98 Southfield 7880 (27)021 934 0717   Hope that this helps!     Michael R. Williamson Williamson-Warne & Associates Hollywood Ca.