PipeChat Digest #79 - Sunday, September 21, 1997
 
Re. Trinity Episc. Church
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Conn Theater Organ Question
  by Michael Lewis <kerouac@aa.net>
Kiri Te Kanawa  ?????
  by KARL W KELLER <kwkeller@juno.com>
Re: Kiri Te Kanawa  ?????
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
Re: Conn Theater Organ Question
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Re: Trinity Episc. Church
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Westminster Abbey Organ??
  by <CDKrug@aol.com>
Allen Theatre Organs
  by <NFexec@aol.com>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by Hugh Drogemuller <hdrogemuller@wwdc.com>
Re: Trinity Episc. Church
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by <NFexec@aol.com>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by Rick Anderson <rickan19@IDT.NET>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by <NFexec@aol.com>
Doug Powers query Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org>
RE: Detached consoles
  by Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re. Trinity Episc. Church From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:42:25 -0400     On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:53:02 -0500 (CDT) "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> writes:     >This was actually a 1970 rebuild by Hill, Norman & Beard of Skinner >Op. 457 >of 1924. The Skinner chests were releathered, fitted with new magnets >and >retained, and about half the pipework was reused. The new main case >designed by Herbert Norman projects a couple of feet into the chancel >and >was designed to bring the Great chorus more out into the chancel. >There was >an entirely new Positiv division opposite the main organ on a flower >box >above the console. > >John   ********************* I really Didn't Know that! See, You learn something new everyday! I knew most of the history and sepcs. about the insturment. But, Lordy, Lordy, I didn't know it was a skinner rebuilt/enlarge. I knew the Harpfeife and some of the other pipework was retained, but I or Sue don't know which ones. If you Have files, or Know wich ones are retained, please send me a list. I have always wanted to know as much of the "THINGS" about the insturments I play as I can..   I printed and saved that letter and am going to give it to Sue. I don't think see knows all that.   Answer me this, Is Hil norman, and Beard still open? Or did Mander or someone else buy them out?   Jason /__o  
(back) Subject: Conn Theater Organ Question From: Michael Lewis <kerouac@aa.net> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:43:57 -0700   Hello All,   I called today on an organ advertised for sale and am wondering if any members have experience or knowlege regarding this organ. I guess the story is common: grandma passed away, grandpa passed away and the family is left with a large organ to dispose of.   It is a Conn Deluxe theater organ, three manual, Model 650, type 001, style 001, finish 013 (sounds early?).   I want to make a fair offer (for both parties) after I have seen and played the organ and have had another two manual Conn which I liked a lot. So the questions are:   1. What should I know about this instrument to evaluate its condition ?   2. Is there a web site, Conn support group or good technician in the Puget Sound area ? (psychiatrist?)   3. What is the approximate range of value for the instrument considering it is represented as "good" condition and playing (aren't they all ?).   4. Any "nightmare" stories or comments out there ? I am looking forward to many warm evenings with this purchase and don't really want to do major restoration or technical work, although I _can_ if necessary.   Many thanks in advance...   MIchael Lewis Seattle  
(back) Subject: Kiri Te Kanawa ????? From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:06:34 EDT   Last night I was listening to a CD which featured Kiri Te Kanawa with the choir and organ of St.Paul's Cathedral and realized that Kiri has more or less dropped out of the picture. Can anyone on the list tell me if she is still singing and recording ?   Karl Musica est Dei donum optimi  
(back) Subject: Re: Kiri Te Kanawa ????? From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:17:36 -0400   KARL W KELLER wrote: > > Last night I was listening to a CD which featured Kiri Te Kanawa with the > choir and organ of St.Paul's Cathedral and realized that Kiri has more or > less dropped out of the picture. Can anyone on the list tell me if she > is still singing and recording ? > > Karl   She most certainly is! Dame Kiri is very active in her native New Zealand AND in the United States in both full opera production performance and concert work.   Dan  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn Theater Organ Question From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:34:53 -0400     On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:43:57 -0700 Michael Lewis <kerouac@aa.net> writes: >It is a Conn Deluxe theater organ, three manual, Model 650, type 001, >style >001, finish 013 (sounds early?).   *************************Dear Micheal, I also have a Conn organ. Mine is a Theatrette, Model 580 Type 02. It was GIVEN to me by my grandfathers cousin. *************************** the >questions are: > >1. What should I know about this instrument to evaluate its condition? ************ you should know how many stop tabs it has, how the sounds are produced, the keyboard ranges( 5 octaves, or 3 octaves, or what have you). ******************************* 2. Is there a web site, Conn support group or good technician in the >Puget >Sound area ? (psychiatrist?) ****************************** I really don't know that. I found out about the organ myself. **************** >3. What is the approximate range of value for the instrument >considering it >is represented as "good" condition and playing (aren't they all ?). ************************* My organ was built in approximantly 1970. It was the biggest organ Conn made at that time. It's retail value was around 5,000-7,000 dollars. ************************ >4. Any "nightmare" stories or comments out there ? I am looking >forward to >many warm evenings with this purchase and don't really want to do >major >restoration or technical work, although I _can_ if necessary. ******************* Micheal, Micheal, Micheal. I am not truly possitive about this, so don't think it is going to help you, but, right now my pedals don't work. My grandfather also has one a Conn, but it is a smaller version. His low "C" pedal doesn't work. How ever, I have played a Conn which is one of the first Conn ever made. AND IT STILL WORKS FINE!   A nightmare storry. When I got my organ, The owner told me it wasn't working properly when she put it in storage IN HER UNINSULATED OUTDOOR SHED IN THE MIDDLE OF UPSTATE NY. She had a parrot that she couldn't find sometimes. When she played the organ, bird seed came out from in between the pedals. Then the pedals didn't work right. When I retreived it, Mice had made there nest all through it WITH THE INSULATION FROM THE LESLIE TREMOLO UNIT. So, here came the hours of cleaning the insulation from inbetwen the delicate circit boards. When I removed a large chunk of insulation from a bundle of wires in the back, I found that the LITTLE STINKERS CHEWED A GOOD 1 INCH BUNDLE OF WIRES! I still am not able to get the whole thing working, but, I'm trying.   **************** Any ting else I can help you with, Feel free to e-mail me at   Krummhorn8@juno.com   |\ | \ Jason O   P.S. If I were you, I'd go to your nearest piano/organ dealer, and they may be able to help you.    
(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Episc. Church From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:01:59 -0500 (CDT)   Jason D. Comet wrote:   >If you Have files, or Know wich ones are >retained, please send me a list. I have always wanted to know as much of >the "THINGS" about the insturments I play as I can.   I was going to respond privately rather than filling up everyone's mailboxes, but for some reason my message to Jason did not seem to be getting through, so I will respond to the whole list and hope he gets it.   The stop list of the old organ, Skinner Organ Co., Boston, Mass. Op. 457 of 1924 was:   GREAT unenclosed, 6" wind 16' Bourdon (Pedal) 8' First Diapason 8' Second Diapason 8' Erzahler 8' Clarabella 4' Octave 4' Harmonic Flute 8' French Horn 8' Tromba Chimes   SWELL enclosed, 7.1/2" wind 16' Bourdon 8' Diapason 8' Salicional 8' Voix Celeste 8' Gedeckt 8' Flute Celeste (II Rks.) 4' Octave 4' Harmonic Flute 2' Flautino III Rks. Mixture (19-22-26) 16' English Horn 8' Cornopean 8' Flugel Horn 8' Vox Humana   CHOIR enclosed, 6" wind 8' Gamba 8' Concert Flute 8' Dulciana 8' Harmonic Flute 2.2/3' Nazard 2' Piccolo 8' Clarinet Harp (from Celesta) Celesta   PEDAL unenclosed 16' Diapason (wood, 5" wind) 16' Bourdon (5" wind) 16' Echo Bourdon (Swell) 8' Octave (extension of Diapason) 8' Gedeckt (extension of Bourdon) 8' Still Gedeckt (extension of Echo Bourdon) 4' Gedeckt (extension of Bourdon) 16' Trombone (7.1/2" wind; lowest octave wood) 16' English Horn (Swell) Chimes (Great)   I gather that HN&B made an entirely new Great; new Positiv; new Swell reeds; and some additions to the Choir, Pedal and Swell flues. The Choir Viola da Gamba is the former Skinner Swell Salicional.   >Answer me this, Is Hil norman, and Beard still open? Or did Mander or >someone else buy them out?   I believe they are still in business. The most recent address I have is Wm. Hill & Son and Norman & Beard Ltd., Orange Street, Thaxted, Gt. Dunmow CM6 2LH, England. Tel. (from U.S.) 011-44-1371-830-338; Fax. 011-44-1371-831-2251.   Cheers,   John Speller, St. Louis, Missouri.        
(back) Subject: Westminster Abbey Organ?? From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:06:15 -0400 (EDT)   Is the Westminster Abbey Organ online anywhere??   Thanx  
(back) Subject: Allen Theatre Organs From: NFexec@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:15:56 -0400 (EDT)   I am considering purchasing an Allen theatre organ. I am very familiar with and, frankly, rather spoiled with Wurlitzer to's and Kimballs, Robt Morton, etc... (original pipe organs from the 20's) and am a little uncertain (alright, pretty darn nervous) about spending lots-o-cash for one of these instruments. I do not want to purchase, rebuild, install, and tonally finish the genuine article as I don't have the time and space ($ too). I am asking if there are any souls out there who are pretty picky about genuine theatre organ sounds, registrations, etc, who have purchased one of the larger Allens who might respond to me. I'm looking for an educated and experienced opinion on this. My chief concern is that due to my years of experience with them, I will be disappointed after time and regret the decision. I'd appreciate any advice, stories, opinions, etc. By the way, I am NOT looking for advice on where to place speakers - there was WAY too much on that topic a few weeks ago! Please feel free to respond either to the group or to me privately at NF exec@aol.com.   Thanks! - Doug Powers  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: Hugh Drogemuller <hdrogemuller@wwdc.com> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:20:31 -0400   At 21:15 20/09/1997 -0400, you wrote: >I am considering purchasing an Allen theatre organ.     If you are planning to go "new", I believe that you should not pass up talking with Bob Walker in Pennsylvania. I don't recollect which small town he is located in. I am told that his digital sampling is "light years" ahead of any other in this field.    
(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Episc. Church From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:08:44 -0400   `John, thanks for responding on the list with this very interesting history about AN ORGAN. I wish people would respond privately about non - organ items and leave the list for ORGAN information. Thanks again. You are always there with the good info and great delivery, and you are appreciated.   Bruce Cornely, organist (OHS & AGO) University United Methodist Church and Student Center Wicks ('56) 3/16r Gainesville Florida Dean, Gainesville Chapter AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: NFexec@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:12:08 -0400 (EDT)   thanks for the tip - any idea how I can reach Bob Walker?  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:12:22 -0400   At 09:15 PM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >I am considering purchasing an Allen theatre organ. I am very familiar with >and, frankly, rather spoiled with Wurlitzer to's and Kimballs, Robt Morton, >etc... (original pipe organs from the 20's) and am a little uncertain >(alright, pretty darn nervous) about spending lots-o-cash for one of these >instruments. <End of snip> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Doug:   I suggest that you also look into the Rodgers theatre organs. We listened and played both the Allens and Rodgers for five months before we made a decision. Our impression was that the Allen sounded muffled as compared to the Rodgers. Rodgers sounded to our ears more like a real theatre organ than Allen. Also the Allen is quite limited in MIDI capability as compared to Rodgers, if you are ever interested in adding sounds from MIDI. We ended up purchasing a Rodgers 790 classical model, also after comparing Allens and Rodgers. In our view, Rodgers sound and versatility is head and shoulders above Allen. But of course, that is only our opinion after 5 months of comparative listening to both manufacturers products and evaluating each companies strengths and weaknesses in their products. We have added MIDI capability to have theare sounds as well as classical sounds. Remember, the only one who needs to be satisifed with your purchase is YOU. So, listen and make up your own mind based on what you like. Good luck !!!!   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- >My chief concern is that due to my years of experience with them, I >will be disappointed after time and regret the decision. I'd appreciate any >advice, stories, opinions, etc. By the way, I am NOT looking for advice on >where to place speakers - there was WAY too much on that topic a few weeks >ago! Please feel free to respond either to the group or to me privately at NF >exec@aol.com. > >Thanks! - Doug Powers > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ I have been playing both classical and theatre organs since 1932 when I was 12 years old. I am still strictly amateur, even though I was chapel organist while I went to college starting in 1938   Sincerely,   John G. "Jack" Cormack Potomac, MD    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: Rick Anderson <rickan19@IDT.NET> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:57:00 -0700   At 10:12 PM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >thanks for the tip - any idea how I can reach Bob Walker? > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > Bob Walker's phone number is 610-966-2515. You should also consider the Rodger 360 theatre organ.   RICK    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: NFexec@aol.com Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:01:52 -0400 (EDT)   John - thanks for your advice - I would enjoy listening to the new Rogers theatre organ instruments, but have not found any - either in the flesh, or on a recording. Anyone know where I could hear one?  
(back) Subject: Doug Powers query Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: john cormack <jcormack@cpcug.org> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:17:37 -0400   At 11:01 PM 9/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >John - thanks for your advice - I would enjoy listening to the new Rogers >theatre organ instruments, but have not found any - either in the flesh, or >on a recording. Anyone know where I could hear one? > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > -----------------------------------------------------------------   Doug:   Where are you located? Rodgers has dealers in most major cities. Did you look in the yellow pages under "Organs"? I am not sure of the web address of Rodgers, but believe it is: www.rodgerscorp.com   Try that, and if it is not correct, then use one of the net search programs, (such as Excite) and type in "pipe organs" as the search criterion. You will get a list of organ makers that will include Rodgers. You can then send them a message asking for the name and address of the Rodgers dealer nearest to you.   You can also send an e-mail to Larry Hawkins of Rodgers Corp. who can forward your request to the marketing department. He is an engineer at Rodgers. His e-mail address is:   "Larry Hawkins" <lhawkins@rodgers.rain.com   I believe that Rodgers has a tape or CD of their organs, but I am not sure.   Best of luck,   Jack Cormack        
(back) Subject: RE: Detached consoles From: Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 15:43:04 +1000   Hello Jason,   Oh the delights of a detached console with the sound reaching you = anything from an eighth to nearly half a beat after you have played it, = depending on the distance of the console to the pipes. Not only that but = in an echoy building it can come at you from different directions at = slightly different times. Outside? My mind boggles! One advantage = though, you could finish your last item, pack up and go home while the = organ is finishing it inside.   Jason, please take this for the light hearted comment that is intended. = Seriously though siting is most important as sound delay and echo can be = important factors.   Duncan Charig   Subject: Detatched consoles From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:29:27 -0400   I haven't played many movable consoles, If you could have the console = plug into a standard 120 volt outlet, you coud have the console virtually any place ing the room. = Maybe even outside!!!!!! Thats something to think about. =20