PipeChat Digest #80 - Monday, September 22, 1997
 
Re: Allen Theatre Organs (Rodgers with Kurzweil)
  by Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by <Mattcinnj@aol.com>
Re: Westminster Abbey Organ??
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by Dr. Darryl Miller <OrganDok@safari.net>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by <photom@ix.netcom.com>
Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic)
  by <cathedral@linknet.net>
Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic)
  by Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by Jason D Comet <krummhorn8@juno.com>
Re: Allen Theatre Organs
  by <NFexec@aol.com>
Re: Walker Paradox
  by <Mattcinnj@aol.com>
Re: Conn Theater Organ Question
  by <GHamil9709@aol.com>
Upcoming Iowa TO Concert 10-12-97
  by <PAULMACVEY@delphi.com>
RE: Kiri Te Kanawa
  by Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au>
Teddy Bears Picnic
  by Sheridan Mascall <sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs (Rodgers with Kurzweil) From: Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:59:21 +0000 (GMT)   On Sun 21 Sep, NFexec@aol.com wrote: > John - thanks for your advice - I would enjoy listening to the new Rogers > theatre organ instruments, but have not found any - either in the flesh, or > on a recording.   Greetings Doug,   Regarding your posting regarding the dilemma of choosing an electronic theatre organ .. .. .. ..   For years and years I have been searching for an acceptable near-equivalent to a theatre pipe organ.   Like several others who have responded to your posting I have agonised over the relative merits of Allen and Rodgers. Sound, to my ears, was in the end the deciding factor in my final preference towards Rodgers .. .. superior MIDI facility was another.   The high cost of both Rodgers and Allen theatre organs was a major factor resulting in my final choice of a Rodgers 805B classical organ. I have spent a year 'tweaking' this over to a theatre bias whilst retaining its full classical organ facility.   However by far the most important breakthrough for me, was my recent introduction to the use of the Kurzweil synthesiser along with the public domain theatre organ samples. I owe a debt of gratitude to my friend Joe Hardy (of the EOrg List) who prompted and encouraged me in this endeavour.   As a consequence I use two Kurzweil units (a K2000R and K2500R .. both pre-used and purchased cheaply via the Kurzweil List on the 'net') with a combination of 9x ensemble TO voice settings for each of the 84x Rodger's presets. The total ensemble sound accessed easily using the advanced Rodger's MIDI facility and the superb quality 805B voices supplemented with Allen Expander II AND both Kurzweil units has afforded me a massive theatre organ 'pipe' sound that I previously only dared dream about.   Another major bonus is that the organ is in its own right, a superb classical/romantic instrument. The resultant TO sound I now enjoy, is superior to the Allen MDS Theatre III, but I cannot comment on nor make comparison with the Allen 317 TO, which I have not had an opportunity to play nor assess. However I have been very impressed with the sound of that instrument (ie 317) featured on Tom Hazleton's Girshwin CD. More important though than the various comments above, is the fact that for those like me with budget restraints, the route I have described affords 'a dream' that would be otherwise unobtainable. It is important to remember that the programming and setting up of stops and presets so that each complements all settings, is a complex and time consuming task. For me, this has already taken several hundreds of hours.   Another consideration is the addition of classical/romantic/baroque organ samples via Kurzweil, provides another exciting dimension for development and exploration.   The experiences I have shared with you, may well prompt you to explore these as another option in your quest. I trust they may prove to be of some help.   Cheers, Ronnie   -- ----- Ron Pearcy <ronniep@clear.net.nz> 17 Donegal Crescent, Greenswood, Greenmeadows, Napier, New Zealand -------    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: Mattcinnj@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:07:00 -0400 (EDT)   Bob Walker is in Zionsville Pa. His Company is Walker Technology Company. I don't know if he makes smaller, stock models of either classical or Theatre organs.    
(back) Subject: Re: Westminster Abbey Organ?? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:09:46 -0500 (CDT)   At 08:06 PM 9/20/97 -0400, CDKrug@aol.com wrote: >Is the Westminster Abbey Organ online anywhere??   There is an excellent data base of just about every pipe organ in Britain, maintained by the British Institute of Organ Studies (BIOS) at Cambridge University called the National Pipe Organ Register (NPOR). Go to <http://lehuray.csi.cam.ac.uk/npor.html> and click on "address" towards the bottom of the page. Then feed in "Westminster Abbey" for building, "Westminster" for town and "Greater London" for county, and you will get to several specifications showing the instrument as of 1763, 1895, 1937, 1989, etc. The instrument is currently a 1937 Harrison & Harrison organ, rebuilt by the same firm in 1982-87. It has five manuals and pedals and a very fine case divided either side of the screen and designed by Victorian architect J. L. Pearson and decorated in the 1960's by architect Stephen Dykes-Bower. (Stephen Dykes-Bower, incidentally, was a descendant both of William Bower, an organist and S. S. Wesley's best friend at Leeds, and the Victorian hymn-writer the Rev. J. B. Dykes. His brother Sir John Dykes-Bower was organist of St. Paul's Cathedral. Stephen Dykes-Bower himself played the organ and designed some of the nicest organ cases in Britain, including Norwich Cathedral, Trinity College Oxford, Corpus Christi College Cambridge, etc.)   JLS    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: PipeLuvr@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:31:39 -0400 (EDT)   Walker Electronics is located in Zionville, PA.   Phone Number is 610-966-2515.   Good luck! Bob  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:06:19 -0400   Mattcinnj@aol.com wrote: > > Bob Walker is in Zionsville Pa. His Company is Walker Technology Company.   I thought the name of the Walker company was Paradox or Paradocs or something like that?!   Darryl  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: photom@ix.netcom.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 13:59:38 -0700   Why not just buy a second hand WurliTzer or Robert Morton PIPE organ? They are fairly inexpensive and you can restore much of it yourself and they are not all giants.   -William C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic) From: cathedral@linknet.net Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:12:12 -0500     > >Anybody have more info on Ahlborne, availability in the us, maybe a URL >or something???????? > >does it work with a MIDI keyboard or only organs? > >Bobby > YES. I can tell you pretty much everything about the Ahlborn-Galanti Archive Sound Modules. Where are you? Travers Koerner      
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborne (was UK Value of a Compton electronic) From: Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:27:47 -2   Tell us all!   -- Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Noel Memorial UMC,Shreveport, LA Sunday's Sermon:"Do You Know What Hell Is?" "Come Here Our Organist!"      
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:52:20 -0400     On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:15:56 -0400 (EDT) NFexec@aol.com writes: >I am considering purchasing an Allen theatre organ. I am very >familiar with >and, frankly, rather spoiled with Wurlitzer to's and Kimballs, Robt >Morton, >etc... (original pipe organs from the 20's) and am a little uncertain >(alright, pretty darn nervous) about spending lots-o-cash for one of >these >instruments. I do not want to purchase, rebuild, install, and tonally >finish >the genuine article as I don't have the time and space ($ too). I am >asking >if there are any souls out there who are pretty picky about genuine >theatre >organ sounds, registrations, etc, who have purchased one of the larger >Allens >who might respond to me. I'm looking for an educated and experienced >opinion >on this. My chief concern is that due to my years of experience with >them, I >will be disappointed after time and regret the decision. I'd >appreciate any >advice, stories, opinions, etc. By the way, I am NOT looking for >advice on >where to place speakers - there was WAY too much on that topic a few >weeks >ago! Please feel free to respond either to the group or to me >privately at NF >exec@aol.com. > >Thanks! - Doug Powers > ************************************************* I am an organ enthusiest(I think that's how it's spelt) of both church organs and theatre organs.   I would love to be able to play them, but I don't know or have anyone in the Watertown, NY area to teach me.   I don't really like electronic organs unless you want an organ in a V E R Y small space. My motto is, "If you got the space, you take the pipe pace" In other words. If yov'e got the space to house a P I P E organ, do so. A catholic church here in Watertown, is almost cathedral size, but sadly, they have an electronic organ that yu have to be careful of higher octaves of it isn't a pretty sound.   I'm not telling you or suggesting you to get a pipe Theatre organ, but I am just stating my opinion.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: krummhorn8@juno.com (Jason D Comet) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 16:52:20 -0400     On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:15:56 -0400 (EDT) NFexec@aol.com writes: >I am considering purchasing an Allen theatre organ. I am very >familiar with >and, frankly, rather spoiled with Wurlitzer to's and Kimballs, Robt >Morton, >etc... (original pipe organs from the 20's) and am a little uncertain >(alright, pretty darn nervous) about spending lots-o-cash for one of >these >instruments. I do not want to purchase, rebuild, install, and tonally >finish >the genuine article as I don't have the time and space ($ too). I am >asking >if there are any souls out there who are pretty picky about genuine >theatre >organ sounds, registrations, etc, who have purchased one of the larger >Allens >who might respond to me. I'm looking for an educated and experienced >opinion >on this. My chief concern is that due to my years of experience with >them, I >will be disappointed after time and regret the decision. I'd >appreciate any >advice, stories, opinions, etc. By the way, I am NOT looking for >advice on >where to place speakers - there was WAY too much on that topic a few >weeks >ago! Please feel free to respond either to the group or to me >privately at NF >exec@aol.com. > >Thanks! - Doug Powers > ************************************************* I am an organ enthusiest(I think that's how it's spelt) of both church organs and theatre organs.   I would love to be able to play them, but I don't know or have anyone in the Watertown, NY area to teach me.   I don't really like electronic organs unless you want an organ in a V E R Y small space. My motto is, "If you got the space, you take the pipe pace" In other words. If yov'e got the space to house a P I P E organ, do so. A catholic church here in Watertown, is almost cathedral size, but sadly, they have an electronic organ that yu have to be careful of higher octaves of it isn't a pretty sound.   I'm not telling you or suggesting you to get a pipe Theatre organ, but I am just stating my opinion.   Jason  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Theatre Organs From: NFexec@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:57:28 -0400 (EDT)   I have either personally owned or have been directly involved in purchasing, designing installations, rebuilding, searching for quality original pipework or having 70+ year old pipework rebuilt, replacing electro-pneumatic relays and combination actions with modern solid state or computerized controls, installing, regulating, voicing, tonal finishing, etc. etc. with original theatre pipe organs ranging from 5 to 40 ranks. While it is true that about $20 to $25,000 for a better, recent larger Allen to would probably pay for something in the 8 to 12 rank theatre organ size, (maybe more, if lucky) it takes a lot of work, time, and patience to do it RIGHT. I know this from experience. One also needs a fair amount of space in order for it to not only be installed properly, but to sound good. I also have a magnificant 40-rank Wurlitzer just down the street that I can play - so. . . I am more interested in an electronic - but it has to sound superb!  
(back) Subject: Re: Walker Paradox From: Mattcinnj@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:33:15 -0400 (EDT)   That is the name of their sound generating technology.  
(back) Subject: Re: Conn Theater Organ Question From: GHamil9709@aol.com Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:43:24 -0400 (EDT)   In a message dated 97-09-20 12:46:24 EDT, you write:   > Conn Deluxe theater organ, three manual, Model 650, type 001, style > 001, finish 013 (sounds early?).   Hello Michael! I am replying directly as some of my answer probably will not be of general interest to the entire List. I own a Conn 650. The Type 001 is the early model without the spring reverb on the Main signals. I'm not certain of the finish number but in all probability it's the walnut finish. There are really no horror stories about the 650 models. Some later models did develop some problems with their "chips" but this early model is the old analog model which simply keeps "rolling along" with few problems, if any. If it is in "Good" condition all keys and all stops are working as well as the pedal system. The extra manual makes it a much more flexible instrument over the standard two-manual jobs. (in my honest opinion)   I should refer you to someone else for an opinion as to the sound of the Conn 650 as I am slightly prejudiced here. I suggest you check with him by e-mail and get his honest evaluation of the system here as he was here during the recent National ATOS convention. His name is Jack Gildar. His e-mail address is: TXHJ90A@prodigy.com   The system here is the same standard Conn 650 equipped with a Leslie 247 tone cabinet, a Conn 256 tone cabinet (with Leslie unit), five Conn pipe speaker units and nine bookshelf speakers. Additional amplification includes 14 channels including those used with the MIDI modules. I have three MIDI modules keyed from all three manuals and the pedals. There are four digital reverb units in operation...one of which handles the reverb for the Main signals (this early model came without the spring reverb on the Main signals.)   My long-time close friend, Bob Glass, now deceased, owned an Allen MDS III which sounded pretty good with its sound system at his place. But it did NOT surpass this old Conn 650 as it is set up with the MIDI augmentation and sound system.   Value? The market for almost all home organs is almost NIL these days. I bought a Conn 651 3-manual for $1,200 not too long ago and sold it. I bought a Rodgers 830 church organ and placed it in my Masonic Lodge on permanent loan last year...it allegedly had a value of $8,000+ but I bought it for $1300. Six months ago I bought a perfectly good Saville 3-manual church organ with 29 speaker units from the Rodgers dealer for $500. I now have a Gulbransen Rialto 2-manual with one four- channel Leslie which I advertised for $450 and received not one inquiry on....   I would say that you should try to buy that Conn 650 for something like $1,000 or possibly $1,250. Anything up to $1,800 wouldn't be too bad if it is, indeed, in good condition.   The one thing you should check out is whether or not the coupler rods for the Main voices (originally vinyl covered) have been changed to the gold keying rods... This was their one weakness and the changeover to the gold rods was a modification. However, most all parts for the Conn organs are still available at Organ Service Corp here in Indiana. They are on line at OrgSvcCorp@aol.com The owner is Kevin Batman and you will find him very helpful, in the event you need his assistance with parts or manuals.   If I can be of any help at all, don't hesitate to get back to me. Gene Hamilton Indianapolis, IN.     p.s. Last year I bought a Conn 632 for $200 and sold for $400... and it was in pristine condition. I am not a dealer in any sense of the word... these units were simply offered to me by dealers and I bought them as an investment for parts...etc.                                      
(back) Subject: Upcoming Iowa TO Concert 10-12-97 From: PAULMACVEY@delphi.com Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:36:58 -0400 (EDT)   Greetings to all native and visiting midwestern theatre organ enthusiasts! I just returned from a sometimes-monthly membership meeting of the Cedar Rapids Area Theatre Organ Society (CRATOS) in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. The folks there have spent a busy summer rewinding, reworking, and otherwise tweaking the beautifully restored Paramount Theatre's original 3/12 Wurlitzer into top-notch form in preparation for the upcoming concert by Lew Williams, staff organist at Mesa, Arizona's famous restaurant, Organ Stop Pizza!   If you would like to spend an enjoyable afternoon on October 12 listening to the results of the crew's labors and the artistry of Lew Williams, reserved ($10) or general admission ($8) tickets are available from Ray Frischkorn, telephone 319-364-6300, or may be purchased at the door. The fun begins at 2:00 P.M. at the Paramount, located at 3rd Avenue and 2nd Street SE, and continues through a sing-a-long, and a not-so-silent silent movie until the encores are exhausted and they turn out the lights!   Warning! This is NOT your father's Moller (or Hammond)!!    
(back) Subject: RE: Kiri Te Kanawa From: Duncan Charig <charigd@illawarra.starway.net.au> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:45:55 +1000   Dame Kiri gave a concert in the outback of North west Australia last = Saturday. I understand it was a sell-out with audience flying in from = quite a few other countries. She has given these concerts before in = outback Australia and they have always been very popular.   Duncan Charig     Subject: Kiri Te Kanawa ????? From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:06:34 EDT   Last night I was listening to a CD which featured Kiri Te Kanawa with = the choir and organ of St.Paul's Cathedral and realized that Kiri has more = or less dropped out of the picture. Can anyone on the list tell me if she is still singing and recording ? =20   Karl Musica est Dei donum optimi =09  
(back) Subject: Teddy Bears Picnic From: sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au (Sheridan Mascall) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:45:00 +1000   Okay, who wanted the Teddy Bears' Picnic music for spurious use during church services? :)   The version that I have is published by Allans Music (Aust) Pty Limited, copyright MCMVII by John W. Bratton.   Is this any help?   Let me know. Cheers, ~Sheridan~