PipeChat Digest #315 - Wednesday, April 1, 1998
 
Robes and other proper attire
  by "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com>
Re: WAX!!!
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net>
Re: Choir Robes
  by "Kenneth O. Woods" <kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil>
Zippers and other vestiges of vestal vestments
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
RE: Little Easters during Lent (was "Wedding funny")
  by "Ruth" <theraven@istar.ca>
Re: WAX!!!
  by "SCoonrod" <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Sticky Fingers
  by <George.Greene@rossnutrition.com>
Re: WAX!!!
  by "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Re: Choir Robes
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
xpost more pix - Grace/St Mary's
  by "Jonathan M Orwig" <giwro@juno.com>
Re: WAX!!!
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Sticky Fingers
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Wicks Organ
  by "Rick Williams" <Rick@netlink.nlink.com>
Re: WAX!!!
  by "Russell Greene" <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca>
Re: WAX!!!
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: WAX!!!
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: WAX!!!
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Choir Robes
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Wicks Organ
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: organist wardrobe
  by "ComposerTX" <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Little Easters during Lent (was "Wedding funny")
  by "Jim H" <BALD1@prodigy.net>
Re: Choir Robes
  by "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
 


(back) Subject: Robes and other proper attire From: "Vox Celeste" <voxceleste@mailexcite.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:56:21 -0700   With all these questions pooping up about attire at the console, it must be time for the latest edition of:   VOX CELESTE'S GUIDE TO CLOTHING AT THE CONSOLE   Naturally, everyone has his/her own ideas about what is proper attire at the console, but face it, gentle readers, this is just not an area where a lot of "personal statement" is welcomed. We really must have standards, conventions! Just like our good friend Miss Manners who quibbles (mildly) with people who want to re-write proper etiquette to their own liking, we must use Ms Martin's own words and say: "It just isn't being done."   First, we must consider the matter of playing shoes which have a considerable impact on the remainder of the wardrobe.   1. For those who insist on playing bare-footed, we consider T-shirts and bluejean cut-offs to be entirely appropriate. Flip-flops or Zorries away from the console are completely optional - but a daily foot bath is not.   2. For those who play in stocking feet, it seems a little better attire would be in order. Here, perhaps a golf shirt (or blouce) and blue jeans would be appropriate. Care should be taken to match the ensemble to the choir vestments. A clever person could match part of his/her dress to the choir dickey or stole and make a subtle statement that few would be given reason to find offensive.   3. Shoes and socks are de riguer for those who opt to wear a business suit or tailored suit or dress at the console. People with this much upbringing are likely to be able to co-ordinate their footwear successfully with the remainder of their garments. A haberdasher's secret: clothing made from different bolts of fabric will never match exactly.   4. Vested quires and vested organists present a bit of a problem: it is certainly possible to look entirely decent on the outside while at the same time covering clothing which falls into categories 1 and 2. The only serious problem with dressing in manner 3 and vesting would be that so many layers of clothing are not for the heat-sensitive or faint-of-heart. They might faint, especially in warmer climates or in churches with mediocre air-conditioning systems.   5. Those in academic drag will certainly want to be seen in OrganMasters or similar playing shoes.   6. For those who might opt to play in some other less usual footwear (as has been mentioned many times on this list), it is best to consider just how one would dress otherwise while wearing muk-a-luks, galoshes, snow shoes, motor-cycle boots and other specialized footwear. It is possible to find perfectly acceptable situations where these foot coverings might be appropriate and useful: as the Eskimo village organist, the SoCal organist during periods of El Nino activity, the rural Vermont organist in the dead of winter, and when playing at Our Lady of Perpetual Pain and Discomfort (and Harley dealership), etc.   7. Finally, if you have inherited Claire Coci's collection of organ shoes (as I did) or anything once owned by Liberace, SPECIAL rules apply. And, ladies, remember: no white shoes before Easter or after Labor Day! Even poor Voxie can no longer cling to the belief that the woman with any pretentions of style MUST have a hat when venturing out in public. Alas!   By following these few simple and very basic rules, the gentle reader simply cannot go wrong in selecting appropriate organ playing attire.   Yours for sartorial correctness,   Vox Celeste       Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com  
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:30:58 -0500   Shirley wrote: > > > Speaking of which, how many of you who are visible from the congregation > > use a choir robe?   We're all visible from the front -- and back -- and side. Sometimes it's a royal pain to be seen all the time -- especially on hot and sweaty Sundays or where you "accidentally" put your finger down on the wrong note or pull the wrong stop (32 bombarde instead of the 32 flute), etc., etc., but all-in-all, it's not so bad.   For those who wear robes or cassocks that zip, have you ever considered having the zipper sown upside down, so that it zips from top to bottom? It's great, that way you can adjust the zipper and have the robe "fall" to the back like a tails coat, etc.   I'm not sure this is clear, but I wanted to throw an idea out for those who haven't used the top-to-bottom zipper trick. (BTW, it only works on robe zippers, not pants zippers!!!!!!) :)   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea     >  
(back) Subject: Re: Choir Robes From: kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil (Kenneth O. Woods) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 7:26:37 EST   Our choir decided a couple of years ago it was too much of a "bother" to wear robes and so the trend continues toward.....well I wonder what. Am I visible? Oh yes, from an ever growing shiny spot on the back of my head to the frown in the mirror at every slip of the fingers or foot! -- Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil  
(back) Subject: Zippers and other vestiges of vestal vestments From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:31:30 +0000       Dr. Darryl Miller wrote:   > For those who wear robes or cassocks that zip, have you ever considered > having the zipper sown upside down, so that it zips from top to bottom? > It's great, that way you can adjust the zipper and have the robe "fall" > to the back like a tails coat, etc.   The cassock I wear has the zip in the usual direction, but it begins about waist height. The lower portions are permanently unzipped, but my experience with full-length, reversed zippers has been that they don't always stay put, and pull further open.   My vestment peeve are those snap-shut sleeves on organist and director robes. The assumption seems to be that every organist or director is going to be exactly the same size (imagine putting that in an advert!) If the first user of that robe has slim wrists and short arms, another person coming along may have difficulty closing the sleeves, or if the sleeves can be closed the robe becomes a hinderance, especially when conducting from the console.   > I'm not sure this is clear, but I wanted to throw an idea out for those > who haven't used the top-to-bottom zipper trick. (BTW, it only works on > robe zippers, not pants zippers!!!!!!)   Even more important, one shouldn't use the half-zip in one's trousers unless one wishes to make some very interesting new friends.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: RE: Little Easters during Lent (was "Wedding funny") From: Ruth <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:05:45 -0500       -----Original Message----- From: Wildhirt, Richard [SMTP:Richard.Wildhirt@PSS.Boeing.com] It brings to the forefront the reason the Christian church celebrates every Sunday. We do have some great hymns, don't we?   [Ruth] Yes, we sure do have some great hymns. I always feel excited when the congregation sings full force. "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org            
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:34:21 EST   In a message dated 98-03-30 23:17:58 EST, pnst@itw.com writes:   << Speaking of which, how many of you who are visible from the congregation use a choir robe? >>   I do not like the vestment, but I does help get one focused. not to mention look odfficial!   R.  
(back) Subject: Re: Sticky Fingers From: George.Greene@rossnutrition.com Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:59:07 -0500   Kevin wrote <<I felt this horrible sticky feeling on my fingers.>>   Speaking of which, does anyone have a good technique for cleaning organ keys? I'd LOVE to clean ours, but I'm afraid that I would get soap, water, Fantastik, or whatever underneath the keys and destroy the contacts.     George Greene George.Greene@RossNutrition.com    
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:20:38 -0600   Well, I'm going to add to this thread now. I am a 14 year old church organist and this is what I wear: sui and tie, take the coat off and put on the choir robe. I am seen by the congregation, especially because I am always going from the organ to the piano     Beau    
(back) Subject: Re: Choir Robes From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:35:10 -0600   Before coming to my current church, choir robes were the bane of my employment. I ripped out the hem of one by stepping on it whenever I walked up the 4 or 5 steps to the choir loft at the front of the sanctuary. Then, a couple of weeks later, I *tripped* on the dang hem and fell right on my nose in front of a congregation of about 500. Ever wanted to say a bad word in church? Well, you know how I felt.   So when I was about to be hired here, I said, "Wait a minute. I have a small list of percs. First on my list: as long as I wear a suit or at least a shirt & tie and dress slacks during the summer, I don't have to wear a robe." They said OK, and since then, the only time I've worn a robe was when somebody took a photo of the choir.   If you're tired of robes, next time they want to give you a raise, tell 'em they can keep part of their raise if they'll just let you skip the robe part. Should work, especially if you can't be seen all that well from the congregation.   \/\/\      
(back) Subject: xpost more pix - Grace/St Mary's From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:35:02 -0800   Good morning, lists   I got my scanner fixed yesterday & learned how to use FTP. Consequently, there are more organ pix available, this time of Grace Cathedral and St. Mary's Cathedral in San Francisco. You may see them at:   http://www.theatreorgans.com/giwro   or, as usual, I will email them separately or in a ZIP file to anyone who wants them.   Have a great day!   **************** Jonathan Orwig Minister of Music - Bethany Church, Redlands, CA for new Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music visit Evensong Music at: http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:30:33 -0500   Very good idea. Darryl. Can't tell you how many cassocks/robes I've taken home and replaced zippers with bottons.   I have one of those console "traps", actually two, on the organ I now play. The chamade is wired to play from either manual (not affected by couplers) but the stop rocker-tab is on the swell is next to Sw 4 (what a surprise when adding to the celeste!!!) and on the great is next to the Sw/Gr 4 which isn't so bad because I don't use that as often.   Just for comic relief, how about a console trap thread. The Wicks I used to play had the Sfz toe stud next to the crescendo pedal and the great/ped farther to the right.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o cremona84000@webtv.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Sticky Fingers From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:59:05 -0500   I clean my keys once a week with a cloth handkerchief, very slight damp. Holding my hand beneath the naturals I lightly rub the tops of the keys; the sharps get cleaned on the top as they are pressed level with the naturals and this allows the complete length of the naturals to be cleaned. I then lightly wipe the keys in the same fashion with a dry part of the handkerchief. The pedals get waxed once a month, and tightened when needed (about once a year, or so).   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o cremona84000@webtv.net  
(back) Subject: Wicks Organ From: "Rick Williams" <Rick@netlink.nlink.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:31:10 -0600   Can anyone tell me if there is a way to make the touch a little stiffer on = the manuals? The slightest graze will generally make the pipe sound off. = Thanks in advance for your help.   Rick Williams =20  
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: Russell Greene <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:06:56 -0000   >PI>Speaking of which, how many of you who are visible from the congregation >PI>use a choir robe? > >PI> --Shirley   I've always worn a cassock and a surplice with slit sleeves, even in locations where I haven't been visible to the congregation. I find that the robes help to focus me on the task at hand.   Russ        
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:17:24 +0000   bruce cornely wrote:   > Just for comic relief, how about a console trap thread.   A friend's church sprung for a set of party horns for the instrument, but there was no blank knob available, so the solution was to transfer the celeste to its companion unison knob to draw the both of them together, freeing up a knob. Same friend has a sadistic streak, never having "got 'round to" replacing the knob facing with a proper engraving. I pity the poor sub who tries to get by without at least a quick try-out of everything on the console before playing a service! At first I thought it rather unfair to subject people to such unexpected features, but when you can clearly see a set of pipes projecting out at you with no knob clearly marked to actuate the register, and fail to figure things out, you rather have it coming to you.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:09:25 -0500   Well, not always are things clearly marked. Used to be at the National Cathedral a little switch beneath the stop jamb to alternate the 16 Quintaton (?) with a 16 string (?); not sure exactly what they were---it's been "a few" years.   When I was a naughty kid (heh heh) we used to unscrew the drawknob name plates on the 3m Wicks and rearrange them when there was going to be a substitute. It made the evening services very exciting.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o cremona84000@webtv.net  
(back) Subject: Re: WAX!!! From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:21:12 -0600   > Oh, and Kevin? It's a good thing they have you on Sunday mornings to fix > stuff! A few weekends ago, I practiced for 4 hours on a Saturday (ok,   I cram as well, i could spend half a day at church and not motice until I got hungry for a meal...   As well, I seem to be the only one daring enough to risk my life up in the exposed great (where the bent pipe was). Hard enough to tune as well. With nothing but the cresc., the great sounds like a ballpark organ bad out of tune. If you really want to throw the "musically inclined" for a loop (or get the church to have the organ tuned, as in this case), play a ----- Celeste solo, and then build a chord one note at a time as an ending. That out-a-tune waver is so bad, even untrained people notice it. The next thing I know, I hear "Let's get that organ tuned" coming from the background.   And, the world still flings us around in circles at several thousand miles-per-hour . . .   Kevin C. mailto:kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Choir Robes From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:25:30 -0800   I agree with Vernon - I've already spoken at Christmastide about the well-meaning anonymous parishioner who bought me an organist's cotta to wear - I had changed my whole wardrobe so that it was mostly pants suits, just for the ease of playing the organ (so I don't wear out the hems of all those long dresses). Now they put me in a strait-jacket/dress (it goes to my knees) and wave incense at me!   I'm in the back of the church, so someone would have to turn completely around to look at me - I only wear the cotta on high feast days and curse under my breath the entire service. The rest of the time I'm haute couture (sp? there goes another bane of my existence - French!), more or less.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton    
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks Organ From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:35:08 -0600   Rick Williams wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if there is a way to make the touch a little stiffer on the manuals? The slightest graze will generally make the pipe sound off. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Rick Williams   GOOD SIDE: Less stress in playing. My Wicks seems to react faster to the touch than any other organ I have played so far. PERFECT for Bach's Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor (if we ever get the Posuane 16' fixed). BAD SIDE: Hit the SFZ piston after you are finished and scare the crap out of yourself and everyone else when your finger slightly bumps the key under the piston...   I'd leave it where it is. But, everyone has their preferences, so go to the Wicks homepage at http://www.wicks.com and use one of their e-mail links and ask them for yourself. They have been very helpful to my questions, and responsive to my comments.   Kevin C. mailto:kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organist wardrobe From: ComposerTX <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:01:15 EST   I have always worn "concert black", that is black organ pumps, socks, dress slacks, and a long sleeved, banded collar shirt, with no jacket. No one has ever questioned my choice of dress, and no one has asked me to change to a "coat-n-tie." Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: Little Easters during Lent (was "Wedding funny") From: Jim H <BALD1@prodigy.net> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:40:16 -0600   Wildhirt, Richard wrote: > > Speaking of using fanfare trumpets (reeds) during Lent, I'm reminded > that each Sunday, regardless of the season, is suppose to be a little > Easter--a celebration of the resurrection of Christ. > > T > It brings to the forefront the reason the Christian church celebrates > every Sunday. We do have some great hymns, don't we? > >Yes we do.   Jim H.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Choir Robes From: "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:09:27 -0500   Ken,   >Speaking of "bat out of hell," how are the nuns like where you're from?   They are cloistered (Dominican) and not allowed out of the building except to visit the doctor or dentist. I haven't met them yet.   The church has no school, they send their children and tuition to a neighboring school. There must be some nuns there, but again, I haven't met them either.   We do have one nun who commutes to the church and runs the RCIA program. She is wonderful. I have yet to have my wrist smacked with a ruler.   Kurt Kehler