PipeChat Digest #345 - Monday, April 27, 1998
 
Re: Shabbat
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net>
Re: Church of the Advent, Westbury (x-post)
  by "Jonathan M Orwig" <giwro@juno.com>
goodbye
  by "Jill Schultheis" <Wurlitzers@theatreorgans.com>
IRC humor
  by "Myosotis51" <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Shabbat
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Church of the Advent, Westbury (x-post)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Sousa's Washington Post March
  by "W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net>
Re: Church of the Advent, Westbury (x-post)
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Shabbat
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Shabbat
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Shabbat
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Shabbat
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Shabbat
  by "Shakehip" <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: Shabbat
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Shabbat
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Shabbat
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
tracker CCM/animal noises
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Shabbat
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: tracker CCM/animal noises
  by "FireAlarmz" <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: tracker CCM/animal noises
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: tracker CCM/animal noises
  by <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Shabbat
  by "Sheridan Mascall" <sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <OrganDok@safari.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:58:21 -0400   Shirley asks: > It sounds like the "Happy > Clappy" (my opinion only, folks) in the Christian churches.... *Or* > it may be an alternative to "Happy Clappy". > Will be interested in reading your responses.   Two things -- both sarcastic, but actually I believe the truth: a. -- it sounds like Hosanna/Integrity has found a new niche in the Jewish synagogues, b. -- or some cantor/rabbi has found that Praise and Worship brings in big numbers, so . . . now we have praise and worship with Jewish texts.   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea  
(back) Subject: Re: Church of the Advent, Westbury (x-post) From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:11:53 -0700   >10 May 1998, Fifth Sunday of Easter <snippage> >Voluntary, "Toccata" Georgi Mushel   I have a wonderful recording of this piece - it sounds like it would be fun to play.....   **************** Jonathan Orwig Minister of Music - Bethany Church, Redlands, CA for new Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music visit Evensong Music at: http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: goodbye From: Jill Schultheis <Wurlitzers@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:50:24 -0400   Dear pipechatters:   I am going to unsubscribe PipeChat today. I just can't find enough time to be responding to the messages and just find myself throwing out most of them.. I will miss all of you, but I will be back maybe this summer.   Be Great, Jill Schultheis  
(back) Subject: IRC humor From: Myosotis51 <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:19:00 EDT   Here's some IRC humor, and an easy link to get mIRC.   <A HREF="http://www.gagirl.com/quiz/addict.html">Are you an IRC addict? Irc Humor and mIRC</A>  
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:40:24 -0400   Happy Clappy brings in big number which brings in big bucks --   At least we're theological (" ") consistent!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Church of the Advent, Westbury (x-post) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:08:51 -0500 (CDT)   At 12:11 AM 4/26/98 -0700, Jonathan Orwig wrote:   >>Voluntary, "Toccata" Georgi Mushel > >I have a wonderful recording of this piece - it sounds like it would be >fun to play.....   It is quite a fine piece, not excessively difficult (though not easy either), and comes from a suite for organ written by Georgi Mushel who was Professor of Composition at the University of Tashkent in Uzbekistan. He was born in 1907, but what with the break-up of the former U.S.S.R., etc. I have never heard if he died. Does anyone know whether he is still alive? I have an old Supraphon (Czech) recording of the rest of the suite, which is very nice, but have never been able to find the music in the west, except for the Toccata (published by O.U.P.)   John.    
(back) Subject: Sousa's Washington Post March From: " W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:01:30 -0400     Hello,     I am playing my own version of the Washington Post March by Sousa and I need some advice.   I am playing it in this order: 1. Intro 2. Sec. A (twice) 3. Sec B (twice) 4. Sec. C 5. Fill in 6. Sec C 7. Fill in 8. Sec C to Conclusion.   I have also heard it like this: 1. Intro. 2. Sec A 3. Sec B 4. Sec C 5. Fill in 6. Sec C 7. Fill in 8. Sec C to Conclusion.   Does anyone know which way Sousa wrote it? I have heard it so many different ways that I don't know which one is the real thing. Yes, its non-organic.....but I am playing it for my organ concert! (Any Points for that?)   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro   **************************************************** Will Scarboro, Organ Historian (In Training) Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, Melbourne, Florida U.S.A 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow Municipal Organ Research Project ****************************************************   P.S. To Monday & Friday PipeChat-LIVE people.........I'll be there Monday guys!!! Stentorphone      
(back) Subject: Re: Church of the Advent, Westbury (x-post) From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:04:32 +0000   Jonathan M Orwig wrote:   > >10 May 1998, Fifth Sunday of Easter > <snippage> > >Voluntary, "Toccata" Georgi Mushel > > I have a wonderful recording of this piece - it sounds like it would be > fun to play.....   It is, quite. Although it's one of those that's a little more difficult to play than it sounds, but still I'd say of about intermediate difficulty, or so. It's in an Oxford collection of "modern" music that includes the Kenneth Lighton "Paean," which is the piece I'd been seeking. It wasn't 'til the collection arrived that I found the Mushel among several interesting contemporary works.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:58:09 EDT   << Happy Clappy brings in big number which brings in big bucks -- >>   ARGH! GASP! CHOKE! But... you're right as usual, Bruce.   Hard, however, to play CCM on a *tracker* organ. It does, however, play well <snif> on our 77-stop *EP* monster.   Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:00:06 -0400   Excuse me! Why is it hard to play Happy Crappy on a tracker instrument?? Keys only go up and down, nes pa? People can behave just as abominably on a tracker as they can on a EP or an E or a FakeE. Or does it take many pistons to move through ALL FOUR CHORDS of an HC, changing registrations to reflect the six words of the text. I would hope that you would be able to do a comparable job on a (snif) 77 stop tracker monster. ;-)   Actually, I'd rather play good music on an 8 stop Hook and Hastings, than Happy Crappy on a five-manual 187.3 stop, EP, with 4,538,986 levels of memory, and 52 sampled animal noises! But that's just me! ;-)   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:00:25 -0400   Excuse me! Why is it hard to play Happy Crappy on a tracker instrument?? Keys only go up and down, nes pa? People can behave just as abominably on a tracker as they can on a EP or an E or a FakeE. Or does it take many pistons to move through ALL FOUR CHORDS of an HC, changing registrations to reflect the six words of the text. I would hope that you would be able to do a comparable job on a (snif) 77 stop tracker monster. ;-)   Actually, I'd rather play good music on an 8 stop Hook and Hastings, than Happy Crappy on a five-manual 187.3 stop, EP, with 4,538,986 levels of memory, and 52 sampled animal noises! But that's just me! ;-)   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:25:41 -0500 (CDT)   At 05:58 PM 4/26/98 EDT, Bill Miller wrote:   >Hard, however, to play CCM on a *tracker* organ.   That's an advantage of trackers I had not realized before :-)   John.    
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: Shakehip <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:42:22 EDT   Let me rephrase things... more "insulting" than hard. Let there be an organ when an organ is deserved and a guitar and tamborines when a guitar and tamborines are called for. The organ has undergone enough insult and humiliation over the years and part of it is due to the fact that many people who play it see it as a big fancy accordian with lot's bells and whistles... Organ players have the undue burden, unlike other instrumentalists of having to know a bit about "orchestrating" and "arranging" when it comes to interpreting more contemporary music. Some simply don't know how to match voicings and tabs, reharmonize and revoice sheet music, and people get the impression that the Wurlitzer Organ belongs right alongside the Hohner Accordian (no insult to any any accordianists reading this posting.) - - Ironically, in Japan now, the organ is ungoing a boom amoung youth, because the manufacturers have found ways to appeal to the younger generation by teaching them how to play contemporary music on it... Younger Japanese aren't afraid to admit they take organ lessons after school because they're learning to play their favorite hits along with the classics. An American child, on the other hand would be in danger of being labeled a dweeb... So, it's the job of organists to bring relevance and respect to the instrument -- of course, without compromizing it.   Yours,   EDO  
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:48:07 +0000   bruce cornely wrote:   > and 52 sampled animal noises!   Say what you will, but sampled animal noises are far less messy than the acoustic sort, n'est-ce pas?   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:12:08 EDT   << and 52 sampled animal noises! >>   What did I start? What did I start! :)   Come to think of it, there *must* be uses for such noises. Sampled at 100KHz, of course, for full-fidelity and to catch nuances! :)   Seriously, I have done CCM on the organ at Trenton- HONOR THE LORD just recently, for example. I tried it on the Rieger in Delaware, which I know intimately well, and it sounded awful--those precise attacks (over)emphasized the bouncy rhythm of the piece. Yuck.   That's how I see it, anywho. It's a big world--would love to hear from a colleague who *does* CCM on a tracker>   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:20:46 -0500 (CDT)   bruce cornely wrote:   > and 52 sampled animal noises!   That would be one for each Sunday of the year. Next week being Good Shepherd Sunday, I imagine it would be the turn of the digitally sampled leopard.   "Truly the Lord is a shoving Leopard" -- Rev. Dr. W. A. Spooner (1844-1930)   Regards,   John.    
(back) Subject: tracker CCM/animal noises From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:48:09 -0400   Of course there are uses for animal noises. They go along with the new "scratch 'n sniff" hymnals, "40 Hymns and Songs for Rainey Days" (Titanic Publishers).   CCM on the Reiger; if that were an EP organ you would have LESS control over articulation; it's in the voicing, not the mechanism (is my only point). '-)   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:53:33 -0400   The "shoving Leopard" spoonerism reminded me of a wedding I played a while back where the bride was so nervous she was starting to cry all of her lines; the groom, equally nervous, was laughing his lines. When the priest had fed him most of the vow lines ("I, George, take you.....") and the groom had not repeated any of them, the priest stopped and said, "You know, you haven't repeated any of these lines, so for all intents and purposes I am about to marry this lovely girl myself. Please start responding or my bishop is going to be really upset!" It was too funny!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: tracker CCM/animal noises From: FireAlarmz <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:57:16 EDT   << CCM on the Reiger; if that were an EP organ you would have LESS control over articulation; it's in the voicing, not the mechanism (is my only point). '-) >>   One last thingy then I'll let this die.. my thoughts as a player (and I have a rep for being eclectic): the ragged attacks characteristic of an EP organ help "de-bounce" the spastic rhythm of a CCM piece. The Rieger tracker doesn't have that (ragged attack) problem, so all the rhythm of the piece "shines" through. In classical music---a decided advantage. In CCM, well..I'm not so sure it's an advantage!   Just my thoughts. It's good to hear from, and learn from, each other. Let's not ever get to the point where we sanitize posts to avoid polite controversy! :-)   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: tracker CCM/animal noises From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:05:05 -0400   Bill, what an interesting observation re CCM and action. This sounds like a research project for Pieter Visser. I used to go to his shop and see the unusual gear they'd rig up to study the effect of "this upon that". I have always heard that tracker action is "unforgiving." I guess that would especially apply to having CCM played on it; some things are unforgiveable! hehe   Peace on you, too!! ;-)   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: tracker CCM/animal noises From: mewzishn@spec.net Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:43:37 +0000   bruce cornely wrote:   > Of course there are uses for animal noises. They go along with the new > "scratch 'n sniff" hymnals, "40 Hymns and Songs for Rainey Days" > (Titanic Publishers).   Ugh! Scratch-n-sniff's of wet animals? Who was the Madison Avenue genius who came up with that bit of marketing?!   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Shabbat From: sheridan.mascall@visionet.com.au (Sheridan Mascall) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:32:31 +1000     -----Original Message----- From: John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, 27 April 1998 10:21 Subject: Re: Shabbat     >bruce cornely wrote: > >> and 52 sampled animal noises! > >That would be one for each Sunday of the year. Next week being Good >Shepherd Sunday, I imagine it would be the turn of the digitally sampled >leopard. > >"Truly the Lord is a shoving Leopard" -- Rev. Dr. W. A. Spooner (1844-1930) > >Regards, > >John. >   *roars laughing at the Spoonerism*     Seems this is an appropriate place to mention that in the Christian Science Bible Lesson for this week, Ezekiel is quoted from: 'O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord'. (Ezek 37:4)   My mother pointed this out to me and suggested 'The Foot Bone's Connected to the Leg Bone' might be a good solo?   I'm giving mediumly-serious consideration to a fugual improvisation in a minor key of that piece. *giggle*   Only medium-serious though. I'd get shot. Fun to think about it, though, innit?   Back to your regularly-scheduled chatting...   Regards to all, ~Sheridan~