PipeChat Digest #353 - Thursday, April 30, 1998
 
Information please
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Organ Scores
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Organ Scores
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Nicholas Martin at the Kirk...
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Lake Placid Palace Organ
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: More Lew Williams memories
  by "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au>
RE: Talking about Music & the Arts
  by "R. Obert" <sam14@ix.netcom.com>
Re: May the Lord pickle you....
  by "Vincent" <vlefevere@unicall.be>
German Pronouncing/Translation
  by "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Re: Using french phrases with organ topics.
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #348 - 04/28/98
  by "Bob Loesch" <rrloesch@jps.net>
Concert Announcements - X posted
  by "Steven Margison" <mgcfngrs@ameritech.net>
Re: Using french phrases with organ topics.
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Using french phrases with organ topics.
  by "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net>
Re: Lew Williams critics.
  by "Shirley" <pnst@itw.com>
Vintage Wurlitzer
  by "Shakehip" <Shakehip@aol.com>
Re: Lew Williams critics.
  by "ROBIN88866" <ROBIN88866@aol.com>
Re: Lew Williams critics.
  by "stephen ohmer" <sohmer@juno.com>
Re: Vintage Wurlitzer
  by "CHERCAPA" <CHERCAPA@aol.com>
RE: Content!
  by "Orlando Fiol" <fiol@bway.net>
Lyn Larsen to Rededicate Rochester's Restored Wurlitzer Console
  by "Kenneth W. Evans" <worthles@frontiernet.net>
NEW ORGAN LIST
  by "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Information please From: Tom Hoehn <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:07:49 -0400   My fellow listers:   I am going to be vacationing in Las Vegas from May 29 til June 7 and would love to be able to see (play) some theatre organs in that area if there are any. I'm thinking about making a side trip to Mesa, AZ to see the Organ Stop as well. On the same note, does anyone have Charlie Balogh's e-mail address out there?? The one on the Organ Stop home page isn't valid anymore. Please reply via private e-mail.   Thank You in advance.   Tom Hoehn, organist Trinity Presbyterian Church Clearwater, FL (former staff organist, J. Burns Pizza & Pipes, Tampa & Winter Haven, FL)  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Scores From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:24:09 -0400   Kurt Kehler opines...   "maybe I'm not a classical organist"   Maybe not, but sounds like your classic!   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Scores From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:27:43 -0500   > Every time I'm in a room with a church or classical organist they're always > looking for "something" especially for organ, and it facinates me that unlike > piano players who can't use the lower half of their body and can only play one > instrument at a time, organists who can be a one man band don't simply take > advantage of orchestral scores -- and I've seen very few brass, woodwind or > piano solos that can't be adapted for the "organ" part.   I commonly adapt piano parts for the organ, which I rarely find problems doing. On the other hand, I have an orchestral piece called "Ode to a Computer" that I had in mind for the organ. HAH! With my bad music handwriting and my quick temper, that project lasted about 15 minutes. All the transposing, switching of parts, etc... That might be one of many reasons organists don't adapt those things.   K.      
(back) Subject: Nicholas Martin at the Kirk... From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:47:21 -0400   The Kirk Organ Series presents Nicholas Martin in a special one time only concert August 2 - a matinee at 2 pm. Tickets are $8.00, all seating reserved. 813-733-KIRK for additional info.   If you plan a vacation near west Florida - here is a chance to hear this outstanding British theatre style organist put the Kirks 4/100 thru its paces. It will be his TWENTY SEVENTH concert at the Kirk.   The concerts are always sold out, however there are always no-shows, or "we got lost" folks, so we can probably manage a few here and there...   Come to Florida, hear its best kept organ secret!   TC    
(back) Subject: Lake Placid Palace Organ From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:55:16 -0500   "NEW YORK (Eastern) Palace Theatre, Lake Placid, NY (3/8RobertMorton) [Report, new theatre owner is implementing organ restoration; Jonathan Ortloff will be house organist.] "   I found this in Pipes and Personalities Online. I thought it was interesting, and I have been to this theatre (not knowing there was an organ at the time).   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com    
(back) Subject: Re: More Lew Williams memories From: "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:45:43 +1000   Stephen Ohmer and others are quite correct, this is NOT the forum for dispassionate discussion of issues like this one.   I have no issue whatsoever with Lew Williams on a personal level. Indeed, I have only met him once. I have also been an admirer of his for many years via his recordings.   I have praised that which he did so well in the concert in question, and raised legitimate concerns for the problems (which went way beyond a few bad notes). That I certainly felt 'let down' by Lew because of the negative reaction by people that I was using his performance to introduce to TPO, is on the record, and is a fact.   The suggestion that I email Lew direct and not any list would be fine if this had been a closed (i.e. private event). It was a public concert and therefore deserves to be commented on in a similar manner. Also forgotten is the need of his email address.   Also, what I have had to say, as my responses have shown, is only what is being stated privately. If people who claim to be Lew's "friends" were such, then they would have bringing this to his attention so that it could be dealt with positively with rather than the disgustingly furtive duplicity that actually goes on. Duplicity which I also observed close hand at a soiree for Lew in Adelaide. If that passes for "friendship" (in that case, not yours, Stephen), then leave me out of it!   I have been down this path before on lists where outraged "friends" take up bandwidth, and this leads nowhere in terms of honest discussion of the raised issue(s). So, I will cease contributing forthwith and return to participating as an observer only.   Until something new occurs on the 'net to do with pipe organs, from hereon in, my scribblings will be confined to the print media where I will be doing my utmost to promote the best of TPO, without fear, or favour.   You can break out the drinks NOW!     Ian McLean  
(back) Subject: RE: Talking about Music & the Arts From: "R. Obert" <sam14@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:32:25   At 11:50 PM 4/27/98 -0400,Ruth wrote:   > I do take great joy in my organ playing, >and I really do want to show that to the kids. I see too many sour-puss faces at the organ; >I bet they scare the kids away, heck, they even scare me away.   This reminds me of a dialog I overheard while a friend was rehearsing for a recital.   A child about 5 or 6 years old asked his mom if that was (the resident organist) practicing. She said " I don't know I'll look. - - No it's not." And, the little one said, " Yeah I know - - too happy!   Out of the mouths of babes.   Shirley Obert  
(back) Subject: Re: May the Lord pickle you.... From: "Vincent" <vlefevere@unicall.be> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:19:01 +0200       ---------- > Van: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> > Aan: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Onderwerp: Re: May the Lord pickle you....=20 > Datum: donderdag 30 april 1998 2:23 >=20 > Shirley said: > > > >Any chance of listing both? I would like to know the "real" title, bu= t > >would also appreciate a translation. > > > >Case in point: Many years ago, I came upon the lovely Sinfonia to Cantata > >No. 156 (Bach, and I *think* that's the number... music is at church) with > >a German subtitle. I was about to play it for a wedding, when I asked the > >pastor I was working with at the time - a man who grew up in Germany - what > >the translation was. Heh. Good thing I asked first. It was "Lo, I stand > >with one foot in the grave." =20 > > > >So it *is* wise sometimes to know what the heck we're playing! =20 >=20 > To which Bob Conway can relate! >=20 > My German pronunciation is atrocious, so whenever I announce a German piece > during one of my radio programmes, I firstly need to know what the tit= le > is in English, - in order that my listeners can get some idea of what i= t is > that they are about to hear! >=20 > I used to have an elderly German speaking lady who would 'phone me at t= he > radio station and ask if there were any German pieces that I was playin= g > during my programme and then pronounce them for me and I would write he= r > pronunciation down phonetically.=20 >=20 > Unfortunately, she has passed away, and it is my bet that she is teachi= ng > the angels now! >=20 > >=20 >Bob, In case you need assistance in "German" titles, texts etc., I offer my services without any fee, allthough my mother tongue is Dutsch. However I have a German teacher to my disposition to screen my translations, so I c= an submit also your problems. Please feel free to accept this opportunity. Vincent lef=E8vre vlefevere@unicall.be >  
(back) Subject: German Pronouncing/Translation From: "Thomas Haubrich" <haubt000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:31:23 +0200   Dear Maestrissimas e Maestrissimos!   If there are any questions about German pronouncing or translation of music titles, mail me, I'll do my best.     Viele Gruesse   Thomas Haubrich Mainz (Germany)     mailto: haubt000@mail.uni-mainz.de      
(back) Subject: Re: Using french phrases with organ topics. From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:45:43 -0400   ""Lord help us.... what have I started??? maybe should be spanked with a Bourdon en Bois!""   We have a Flute a Fuseau - will that work? And, we are within driving distance!    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #348 - 04/28/98 From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:19:28 -0700   At 18:09 4/30/98 +0930, you wrote: >>Subject: Re: LEW WILLIAMS   Hi, Brian!   Thank you for your glowing report on Lew Williams' participation in your convention. I've never had the pleasure of seeing/hearing Mr. Williams in person, but I've seen him on video tape (Berkeley, California 4m/33(?)rk) and heard him on several tapes, and I find him a delightful GEM! I wish he recorded more.   I still owe you a reply on your long post re: Frank Lanterman/San Francisco Fox Wurlitzer etc. and hope to get to it soon, but I had to thank you for your support of Lew Williams...as if he really needs the support! He's SUPER!     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Concert Announcements - X posted From: Steven Margison <mgcfngrs@ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:20:03 -0500   Posted to pipechat, piporg-l, eorg-l:   The Historic Pickwick Theatre in Park Ridge, IL near Chicago, is celebrating its 70th anniversary this year. Two shows of interest are a part of this celebration.   May 17th: Silent movie classic "Wings", accompanied by Jay Warren on the organ.   May 31st: Gary Owen on the organ, with the Milwaukee Mandolin Orchestra.   Tickets for each event are $10 with a special $15 combo ticket for both events. (Group discounts available for groups of 20 or more.) Proceeds from these events support various sponsoring groups.   To request a flyer and order form, email me with your snail mail address. Your address will NOT be added to the CTOS mailing roster unless you specifically request that it be done. Mail order tickets will be sent out up to 1 week before each concert, after which they may be picked up at the box office. Tickets at the door, assuming it is not a sellout (and a sellout is a possibility!), will be $12.   I should have posted this earlier, but I goofed. So to take advantage of the less expensive mail order price, Hop To It!!!   |===================== Steve Margison =====================| |=== Staff Organist, Tivoli Theatre, Downers Grove, IL ===| |Organs, Theatres, Ham Radio, Lots of things at my WebSite:| |==== http://www.ameritech.net/users/mgcfngrs/home.htm ====|  
(back) Subject: Re: Using french phrases with organ topics. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:22:51 -0400   Hmmm. Didn't realize TO's had Flutes a Fuseau. I would expect a whomping with a low-C Celesta/Harp bar! ;-)   bruce o h s __________ a g o cornely o o __________ o o ........... cremona84000@webtv.net ...........    
(back) Subject: Re: Using french phrases with organ topics. From: "Terry Charles" <tcorgan@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:59:07 -0400   ""Hmmm. Didn't realize TO's had Flutes a Fuseau. I would expect a whomping with a low-C Celesta/Harp bar! ;-) bruce cornely""   100 ranks gives plenty of chamber room for more than TO (why is it so many times abbrev?) ranks. Why we have more than one division in the organ NOT "orchestrally" oriented...but Frenchly speaking, the Swell division also has the 8 Flute Bouchee, 2 Flute a Bec...playing on 10" wind as well - she can pack a whallop when asked!   TC - ya'll come to west Florida and visit!    
(back) Subject: Re: Lew Williams critics. From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:16:39   Please excuse what may be an ignorant post, but wasn't this whole thing settled? At the middle of the discussion, I thought, was a certain Durufle piece where it *appeared* that Lew omitted a page or two in his performance. And I thought I read that it was documented that Durufle himself gave permission for that passage to be omitted in performance.....   Am I wrong here?   --Shirley   At 16:34 04/30/98 GMT, you wrote: >It is sad, yet indeed, embarrassing to have a fellow McAustralian lister, >now back on the lists, be ever critical of talented performers in concert >(LIVE) and not excuse an occasional bad note. > >Just attend a classical orchestral concert sometime, one could write a >symphony at times, out of the bad notes played LIVE...no edits to tape or >digital source...just straight forward LIVE music. > >If purity of performance is the only goal of some, perhaps playing of >recordings in the privacy of their own home is the best those people could >do! For myself...give me LIVE theatre organ, LIVE classical concerts every time. > >To close, I only wish that I could play (TO and other keyboards) ten percent >as good as those who perform in concert for the delight of ninety-nine >percent of those attending. > >Regards, Alan Mortimer > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Vintage Wurlitzer From: Shakehip <Shakehip@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:54:10 EDT   Don't know the ethics of putting up a "for sale" add on a mailing list, but since this is a favor for a church with a much larger building than congregants, I know God will forgive me.   I know a church in Philly with a vintage pre-digital electronic Wurlitzer (with manual) they want to get rid of... The thing is in enviously beautiful condition. Supposedly they paid $5,000 they got it. I feel guilty for the price I offered and they willingfully settled on for an old Leslie, so I promised to help them sell the organ to get rid of the guilt... I can get the model # if you're interested. Right now there's no bottom asking price. They also have a really vintage, great sounding but haggard looking Hammond Model C.   O.K. Now my consciousness is clean. If you e-mail me, I'll turn you over to the church... (Burholme Baptist in Philly)...   For electronic organists, I have a very important question... Does anyone know what it means if a 22H has 122H penciled in the back and what the difference between them and a Leslie 122 is ???  
(back) Subject: Re: Lew Williams critics. From: ROBIN88866 <ROBIN88866@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:52:35 EDT   Can we PLEASE let this rest?   Enough is ENOUGH!!!   Robin  
(back) Subject: Re: Lew Williams critics. From: sohmer@juno.com (stephen ohmer) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:40:44 -0400     On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:16:39 Shirley <pnst@itw.com> writes: >Please excuse what may be an ignorant post, but wasn't this whole >thing >settled? At the middle of the discussion, I thought, was a certain >Durufle >piece where it *appeared* that Lew omitted a page or two in his >performance. And I thought I read that it was documented that Durufle >himself gave permission for that passage to be omitted in >performance..... > >Am I wrong here? > > --Shirley     No. Surely your are correct, Shirley.   steve ohmer > >At 16:34 04/30/98 GMT, you wrote: >>It is sad, yet indeed, embarrassing to have a fellow McAustralian >lister, >>now back on the lists, be ever critical of talented performers in >concert >>(LIVE) and not excuse an occasional bad note. >> >>Just attend a classical orchestral concert sometime, one could write >a >>symphony at times, out of the bad notes played LIVE...no edits to >tape or >>digital source...just straight forward LIVE music. >> >>If purity of performance is the only goal of some, perhaps playing of >>recordings in the privacy of their own home is the best those people >could >>do! For myself...give me LIVE theatre organ, LIVE classical concerts >every >time. >> >>To close, I only wish that I could play (TO and other keyboards) ten >percent >>as good as those who perform in concert for the delight of >ninety-nine >>percent of those attending. >> >>Regards, Alan Mortimer >> >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: Vintage Wurlitzer From: CHERCAPA <CHERCAPA@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:35:00 EDT   Dear Shakhip, IF a Leslie has 122 marked on the back, it is a 122. I had one which was supposed to be a 22 (that's what I bought many years ago in Oklahoma City with a A-100) and it really was a 122. I have no idea what the Hstands for (probably horn) as the two digit models normally only had the drum with the 12" facing into it. If the 122 had an R after the numbers, it meant it had a separate reverb channel. The 122R was the better of the models and if my memory serves me, had a separate amplifier for the reverb channel. IF the church wants to get rid of the Hammond "C" the Boys and Girls Club of Allentown would probaably take it. Probably even pick it up. Sincerely, Paul P. Valtos  
(back) Subject: RE: Content! From: Orlando Fiol <fiol@bway.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:01:15 -0500   Historically, most music, be it religious, social or artistic, has accompanied certain community functions and has adapted to suit the changes in those functions. There was a time in which only Gregorian chant was sung in the Roman Catholic Church and a time in which this chant was augmented by the polyphonic masses and motets many of us now love. What we are witnessing in this new CCM, is the next step of the adaptation of liturgical music for the congregation's needs and sensibilities. The average Catholic neither understands Latin nor likes hearing Machaut or Palestrina all the time. The average Catholic is now acquainted with Pop music, Gospel and Jazz and wants these realities to be reflected in liturgical music. There's a place for all instruments in music that gives glory to God, since God gave Mankind the inteligence to design all sorts of instruments. Sometimes, as musicians, we attach ourselves to certain types of music either because of their beauty or because of our ability to express ourselves through them. However, if we want to be employed in religious institutions, we must recall that we are serving God and the congregation first. It is our job and an honor to bring people closer to God through music, and sometimes this music may not be to our liking, but it fulfills the needs of the congregation. The challenge here is to make the pipe organ as viable an instrument in CCM as it has always been in Christian churches since the seventeenth century. I, for one, welcome this challenge.   Regards, Orlando    
(back) Subject: Lyn Larsen to Rededicate Rochester's Restored Wurlitzer Console From: "Kenneth W. Evans" <worthles@frontiernet.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:30:44 -0400   The Rochester Theater Organ Society is happy to celebrate the return of our completely restored Wurlitzer 4-manual console. Once again it is back on the lift at the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street in Rochester, NY.   World-renowned theater organist Lyn Larsen will help us rededicate our console as he presides over our Wurlitzer 4/22 on Saturday, May 16th starting at 8:00 p.m. (the theater doors will open at 7:15 p.m.). Public admission tickets are only $10 each, RTOS members' admission is free. Tickets will go on sale about 7 p.m. at the Auditorium Center box office. There is no advance ticket sale, but with 2574 seats there should be plenty of good seats to go around.   Following the concert, an on-stage reception with Lyn Larsen will be held with free refreshments and a free souvenir to help us celebrate this first concert at the "Aud" in 2 years. This concert will definitely be world-class theater pipe organ entertainment.   Details of this concert and those to follow can be found on our home page at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/.   Feel free to e-mail me with individual questions, etc. Please join with us in our excitement over this stellar event!   Ken Evans, RTOS Director and webmaster  
(back) Subject: NEW ORGAN LIST From: "Ian B. McLean" <solotibia@enternet.com.au> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 11:53:17 +1000   I received an email from a pipe chatter today informing mew of a new list where, to quote;     "This is a new organ list.   They say every opinion and thought is welcome."     THIS could be VERY interesting and VERY USEFUL. It will be if the list owner is outside the usual status quo influences that have so degraded the discussion potential of other lists.   However, at least the good doctor, has made PipeChat live up to EXACTLY that which he intended. It has had focus from the beginning, and IMHO, continues to have value albeit not one suitable for serious, without fear, discussion. However, Pipechat was never intended to be a change agent though discussion.   Still, PIPORG-L was once the working as per the quote above, and indeed had all the makings of a "change agent", but even though it's censorship has lost it this ability, it still remains an excellent reference list. Hopefully, ORGANS at WIZVAX will fill the gap, and become the necessary "change agent".     This is where you can sign on;   http://mailgate.wizvax.net/cgi-bin/lwgate/ORGANS/     This is what they have to say;   List Description: This list is for organists and builders/repairers alike. Pipes or not, all are welcome, MIDI too!   Organs Mailing List This list is purposely set with a broad topic range. The list was created as 'the list to end all lists' for organists and the wonderful people who create and maintain the instruments. Topics of rebuilding Klann combination actions, playing style, upcoming concerts, what have you, it's welcome, as are Theatre Organists, Classical Organists, builders, pipe lovers, electronic MIDI connected lovers; In short, all of you. We're all musicians, craftspeople, and the like, and while our tastes in instruments may vary, there is a lot in common too.   And, NO, I have absolutely NOTHING to do with the ownership of this list.     Ian McLean