PipeChat Digest #479 - Thursday, August 6, 1998
 
Re: Good EO vs Poor PO
  by "TERRY CHARLES" <tcorgan@gte.net>
Re: Is a good electronic is better than a poor pipe organ?
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ!
  by "PipeChat-Admin" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ!
  by "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com>
Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ!
  by "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com>
Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ!
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ!
  by "Dr. Edward Peterson" <epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com>
Re: playing for one's own church
  by <VOet@aol.com>
Complaint Dept at Church
  by "Vernon Moeller" <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Complaint Dept at Church
  by <Satbcantor@aol.com>
Re: playing for one's own church
  by "Emily D. Woods" <sesquialtera@hotmail.com>
Re: Good EO vs Poor PO
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Parishioners' complaints
  by "Robert Horton" <r-horton@nwu.edu>
Re: playing for one's own church
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: playing for one's own church
  by "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Parishioners' complaints
  by "bruce cornely" <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: playing for one's own church
  by <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: playing for one's own church query
  by "pianoman" <pianoman@inlink.com>
Re: playing for one's own church
  by "rringram" <rringram@syr.edu>
Re: playing for one's own church
  by <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Playing for one's own church
  by "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Good EO vs Poor PO From: "TERRY CHARLES" <tcorgan@gte.net> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:06:10 -0400   ""There's a -reason- I got off the "other" list and THIS was one of them!""   So, you've made no windway...   TC    
(back) Subject: Re: Is a good electronic is better than a poor pipe organ? From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:15:36 -0400 (EDT)     ><<< No Message Collected >>>   Well said, Rob!!   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   There is no faith which has never yet been broken, except that of a truly faithful dog. -- Konrad Lorenz    
(back) Subject: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ! From: PipeChat-Admin <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:37:20 -0700   Hi everyone,   Some of you may have noticed that you have not heard much from me (your Co-Owner and Administrator) on the list over the past few months. My summer travels, together with an extremely heavy workload, research and writing, have kept me at a distance from all email, not just PipeChat Administration. My thanks to David for carrying the load quietly during my absence.   In the next two months, in addition to moving house, I will also be traveling extensively-- hopefully to Australia to visit family in September, and other places in between. As I will be away from email fairly consistently during this time, we feel that it is important to provide temporary assistance to David during this period.   Dr. Ed Peterson has graciously accepted our invitation to take on the role of Assistant Administrator to help with the daily functions of the list. I am very pleased that Ed has agreed to help out during my absence, freeing me to take a well-earned vacation, and allowing David the flexibility needed with his work.   I am very proud of PipeChat as it has evolved over the last nearly two years--particularly its growth to over 400 members, the transfer to the new Server in July of 1997 and the addition of the PipeChat-IRC server later that year.   Finally, I encourage you to be kind to one another, to enjoy humor, and of course, stay on topic :):):) I look forward to returning to list Administration sometime in early October (the second anniversary of PipeChat), and in the meantime, I wish you all well. Thanks for being a part of PipeChat.   Pete! Dr. Peter Pocock PipeChat Co-Owner and Administrator         Peter G. Pocock, D.M.A. E-mail: mailto:pgpocock@umcv.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ! From: "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:49:03 PDT   Have a great trip Peter...   Thanks for the great two years!   Steve LaManna   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ! From: "S LaManna" <slamanna@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 06:49:21 PDT   Have a great trip Peter...   Thanks for the great two years!   Steve LaManna   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ! From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:59:31 -0400 (EDT)     >I am very proud of PipeChat as it has evolved > over the last nearly two years--particularly its > growth to over 400 members, the transfer to > the new Server in July of 1997 and the > addition of the PipeChat-IRC server later that > year. >Finally, I encourage you to be kind to one > another, to enjoy humor, and of course, stay > on topic :):):) I look forward to returning to list > Administration sometime in early October (the > second anniversary of PipeChat), and in the > meantime, I wish you all well. Thanks for > being a part of PipeChat. >Pete!   (National Anthem begins quietly in the background on full Tibias & Trems, gradually growing to include Kinuras & Posthorns as organist JHHHL kicks on the Cresc.Ped.)   The room is awash in glorious sound as we all cheer and say:     T H A N K S P E T E !! ! !!! !     Welcome Dr. Ed, we'll do something to (er, uh, FOR) you, too!   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   There is no faith which has never yet been broken, except that of a truly faithful dog. -- Konrad Lorenz    
(back) Subject: Re: Temporary Changes at PipeChat--ALL PLEASE READ! From: epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com (Dr. Edward Peterson) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:18:04 -0500   On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:59:31 -0400 (EDT), cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) wrote:     > >Welcome Dr. Ed, we'll do something to (er, uh, FOR) you, too! >   You do, and you'll clean it up! ;-)   E/ ~_^  
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church From: <VOet@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:24:27 EDT   Bruce Cornely wrote:   < When in my teens our organist was fired in a nasty battle with a man on the < Official Board (UMC!)... then the new organist was hired. She was fired about < nine months later.... New organist hired, a year later fired....Two organists later .... < Organist fired again....   Why would anyone want to play for this church?   Bill Voetberg  
(back) Subject: Complaint Dept at Church From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:40:40 -0500   In an earlier thread about playing for one's own church (which reminds me of some saying like "A prophet in his own country is without honor" or something like that), somebody mentioned getting complaints about his playing.   I suppose that if you're going to be thin-skinned about life, you'd best avoid taking up careers that offer you constant exposure to the public, like being an organist, minister, politician, entertainer, etc.   This really isn't meant as a criticism (or complaint), just as a bit of advice.   I have yet to play for a church where somebody hasn't complained about me. I'm either too fast or too slow, too loud or too soft. You just can't please everybody.   In my current church, I have received only 1 or 2 complaints about playing too loudly, but these complaints have been from the same married couple who persist in sitting in the dead center of the sanctuary (the "blast zone", as I call it), where *all* of the speakers (which ring the sanctuary, which is octagonal and has a high, square cupola above it) aim at. Me? I'm at the console, at one side of the room. The speakers right next to me drown out the speakers that are farther away. I've been meaning to tell them about this situation, and the fact that we are going to upgrade our sound system, which means that I will (finally!) be getting a set of headphones connected to mikes in the center of the room so I can hear what's going on, acoustically.   So, for right now, when I get a complaint about volume, I just answer "Your problem is one which the staff recognizes as significant. We plan to remedy the situation in the next couple of years by acquiring a better sound system. If it comes up for a vote, just remember that it will probably improve what you hear, so it's not just another "bell" or "whistle" to keep us happy."   In my first church, the one I grew up in and played for several months in, there were 2 elderly ladies, the Heinrich twins. They would sit side by side in the 2nd pew up front, directly in front of the pulpit, where their grim countenances intimidated many a speaker just starting his sermon. They also "led" the congregation during the hymns, by singing at the top of their lungs (in later years, I was reminded of them when I first heard Florence Foster Jenkins). Anyway, they would invariably seek me out after a service to pass judgment on me for that day's work, and one Sunday, when I knew that I had played the last hymn too quickly, I made it to the door a little sooner than usual, but they caught up with me in the parking lot. The first one said, "About that last hymn,..." and the other one said, "Yes, we think you played it too fast..." Then the first one said, "Oh no, dear sister, it was just perfect," and the other one replied, "Perfect? You call a-LAY-gro mol-TO-so perfect? Have you taken leave of your senses, dear one?" and on and on like this for a few seconds, which gave me the opportunity to slip away unnoticed, while they went at each other as only two elderly twin sisters who've lived with each other for 70+ years know how to do.   In all my years of playing, the little criticisms I've received pale in comparison to the judgments rendered by the Heinrich sisters. I'm sure whoever plays the organ for Heaven knows them quite well by now.   \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Complaint Dept at Church From: <Satbcantor@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:39:39 EDT   Vernon, This bit interested me.....<<sitting in the dead center of the sanctuary (the "blast zone", as I call it), where *all* of the speakers (which ring the sanctuary, which is octagonal and has a high, square cupola above it) aim at. >>   About six years ago, I was involved with a church over here (St Paul's, Hunwick, County Durham) where the pipe organ finally gave up the ghost. It was an old Nelson as I recall. There was no money, and, without boring you with all the details, they wound up with a 'Gem Praeludium 3' electronic instrument. I don't know whether you have this make in the New World, but their manufacturing address in Italy is the same as Viscount, so you'll appreciate which end of the market we're talking about! The instrument was delivered by Brown's Music of Bradford, (a very fine firm, heavily into early music), who were doubtless uncommon glad to be rid of it, but went to great lengths to make sure it was giving its best to its location. On delivery, there was no debate about the placing of the speaker cabs. They *all* went into the old organ case. Purely by chance, I have heard this same model of organ in another place, where the speakers are distributed about the nave. In neither place would you mistake the sound as being that of pipes. But in St Paul's, the sound is perfectly acceptable, whilst in the other place, the output is irritatingly fragmented, and extraordinarily difficult to sing to. Would you agree that with the exception of the odd Echo organ or Bombarde, pipe organ output is *amost* invariably concentrated from within a confined area.(Excuse rotten syntax) ? One of the most evident characteristics of pipe sound is the effect of air movement in and around the chests and chamber, and whilst speakers don't shift air in that sort of quantity, the 'draught' from the front of a base cab is readily discernible. It seems to me therefore, that if electronic instruments *are* to be forced to resemble pipe organs ,instead of allowed to be an instrument in their own right, then it would make sense usually to concentrate the speaker output from a fairly confined area? How this argument would fare in the case of modern 'open plan' pipe organs, I have no idea. I suppose Wayne Marshall isn't on the list, is he? Regards to all, Chris Baker  
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church From: "Emily D. Woods" <sesquialtera@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:01:39 PDT   Dear List,   After reading many of the posts concerning playing for one's own church, I was surprised at how many organists truly have problems within their respective churches. I am acutely aware of the fact that I am far less experienced than most of the posters on these lists, but I have to say that without my church, of which I am a full-fledged member, I would never have even learned to play the organ, and for that I am eternally grateful to my church, its pastor & congregation, and most of all, to its exceptionally wonderful director of music/organist. I am not the employed organist of my church, but I am sort of an assistant organist of sorts, and I have substituted on three occasions. I know that only three services is probably not a valid experience on which to base an opinion, but I feel that my church has been more than supportive and they genuinely appreciate what I've learned in the past 10 months. It is my firm belief that neither the congregation nor its pastors would ever take advantage of me, or of the regular organist, who is, by the way, also a member of the church for, oh, about 8 or 9 years now. I don't know if this bears any relevance or not, but I attribute the fine working relationship between my church and its organist to the fact that she is, first and foremost, a church musician, devoted to the worship of God through music (what better way?). She never lets the fact that she is a talented musician interfere with the business nature of her job. The attitude that some organists have seems to be that, as a "superior" musician, they should have final say in all music matter and should be treated as a showpiece. Such organists are probably not popular with either the pastors or the members of the church, and so the administration of the church would see no harm in taking advantage of the musician. Well, those are my thoughts, garbled as they may be. If some of this makes no sense, please be aware that I've only been awake for about an hour, and my brain isn't quite organized yet.   Best regards (as always),   Emily Woods   ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Good EO vs Poor PO From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:24:48 PDT       > Then, when they answer, you can say, "Gee, Dad, it's a Rodgers." > Regards, and best of luck. Danny Ray   I had to chuckle when I read this. You brought back lots of memories watching the Lawrence Welk show with my parents and Grandmother, and how we always commented on:   1) How well Bobby and Sissy danced together,   2) That Bob Ralston always smiled when he played, and,   3) How the beared conductor (I don't remember his name) always seemed to get more out of the orchestra.     Mark     Mark Huth Rodgers Instrument Corporation mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgerscorp.com   ==========================   Quote from 11 year old's science exam: For a nosebleed: Put the nose much lower then the body until the heart stops.    
(back) Subject: Re: Parishioners' complaints From: Robert Horton <r-horton@nwu.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:22:11 -0500   At 03:08 =BF=C0=C0=FC 98-08-06 -0500, you wrote: >now and the latest complaint from a "few" of the the parishioners >(meaning one!) was that the organ was too loud. WHAT!? Flutes a string >and diapson too LOUD! Ok-forget the dynamic markings on the music. For >the most part the complaints have been few and far between. I've got two words...avoid upperwork! An organ is very rarely "too loud", any reasonably good brass quartet could demolish an organ in terms of sheer decibels. However, people interpret brightness and brilliance as "loudness". This is especially problematic here in the states where the mixtures seem to have lost all sense of decorum in the past fifty years. If this still doesn't do the trick, there's a very easy way to defuse complaints like this. Normally these folks will approach you after the postlude while you're in the process of packing up. If somebody has a complaint about my playing, I simply ask "Really?" and then bring out all of my music and tell them to show me where exactly the problem was. 99% of the time they just shrug and say somehing like "...oh, I don't really know where, but...well, I've got to go meet someone in the narthex..."   hmmm     Robert Horton, Millar Chapel Organ Scholar 825 Foster Street, Evanston, IL 60201 tel. 847.424.9368 http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/1028/index.html   Q. How many harpsichordists does it take to change a light bulb? A. Five...one to change the bulb and four to complain that he should be using the appropriate baroque wattage.  
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:18:54 -0400 (EDT)   I was a kid. Homechurch syndrome. But, I'm muuuuuuuuuuuch better now!   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   There is no faith which has never yet been broken, except that of a truly faithful dog. -- Konrad Lorenz    
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:00:26 PDT     Emily Woods wrote, in part:   > I know that only three services is probably not a valid experience > on which to base an opinion, but I feel that my church has been > more than supportive and they genuinely appreciate what I've > learned in the past 10 months. It is my firm belief that neither > the congregation nor its pastors would ever take advantage of me, > or of the regular organist, who is, by the way, also a member of > the church for, oh, about 8 or 9 years now.   Great topic . . .   Add my name to the list of people who have had wonderful experiences playing for church. In fact, I've served a number of churches as organist/choir director/director of music for nearly 15 years, and have yet to encounter a situation where I felt I was taken advantage of.   My present congregation, Augustana Lutheran Church in Portland, Oregon, has been an extremely satisfying environment to serve in.   I've been there since 1992 and feel quite edified on many levels, spiritual, musical, social and professional. I think this has been due to the fact that we've had tremendous leadership from clergy and laypeople, and, we've been able to focus on what is best for the congregation as a whole, not what specific individuals may want.   We actually started with 5 in the choir and are now up to 18 (with three more planning to join us in September!).   If you're interested, you can even find Augustana on the web at:   http://www.augustana.org   Information about our recent performance of the Faure Requiem can be found by clicking the link or by going straight to:   http://www.augustana.org/FaureRequiem.html       Best regards,   Mark       Mark Huth Rodgers Instrument Corporation mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgerscorp.com   ==========================   Computer; n: A device used to streamline and automate errors.    
(back) Subject: Re: Parishioners' complaints From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:02:03 -0400 (EDT)   Rob, I once had this problem when playing a 3/34 Austin (1953). I prepared a list of hymns with intro and verse numbered; I played from a guide so that I would know what registration was used when. They included: 1) full flutes, 2) full principals, 3) full principals and reeds, 4) full principals with sub- and super-coupers 5) full principals/reeds with sub- and super-couplers 6) full principals with mixtures 7) full principals and reeds with mixtures 8) full reeds with sub- and super-couplers 9) full reeds with mixtures.   Using a decibel metre we discovered that one of the favorite registrations was the loudest (#5) and the most complained about all included mixtures, although there were only two on the organ. The organ was a glorious English tonal style.   :~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~:~+~: o o o _____bruce cornely_____ o o o o o o cremona84000@webtv.net o o o o o o ___ O a H g S o ___ o o o   There is no faith which has never yet been broken, except that of a truly faithful dog. -- Konrad Lorenz    
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church From: <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:33:29 EDT   In a message dated 98-08-06 10:25:40 EDT, you write:   << < When in my teens our organist was fired in a nasty battle with a man on the < Official Board (UMC!)... then the new organist was hired. She was fired about < nine months later.... New organist hired, a year later fired....Two organists later .... < Organist fired again.... Why would anyone want to play for this church? Bill Voetberg >>   AGREE!!! If we band together and refuse to "help" such an abusive institution, maybe (just maybe) that will open their eyes. If they have an unlimited number of substitute musicians, and get *lots* of resumes for what is obviously a snake-pit job, they will feel no pressure to treat organists better.   Peace, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church query From: "pianoman" <pianoman@inlink.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:52:30 -0500   Hi Mark, I wonder what kind of organ your church employer has? James Grebe R.P.T. of the P.T.G. Since 1962 in St. Louis, MO pianoman@inlink.com   ---------- > From: Mark Huth <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: playing for one's own church > Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 2:00 PM > > > Emily Woods wrote, in part: > > > I know that only three services is probably not a valid experience > > on which to base an opinion, but I feel that my church has been > > more than supportive and they genuinely appreciate what I've > > learned in the past 10 months. It is my firm belief that neither > > the congregation nor its pastors would ever take advantage of me, > > or of the regular organist, who is, by the way, also a member of > > the church for, oh, about 8 or 9 years now. > > Great topic . . . > > Add my name to the list of people who have had wonderful experiences > playing for church. In fact, I've served a number of churches as > organist/choir director/director of music for nearly 15 years, and > have yet to encounter a situation where I felt I was taken advantage > of. > > My present congregation, Augustana Lutheran Church in Portland, > Oregon, has been an extremely satisfying environment to serve in. > > I've been there since 1992 and feel quite edified on many levels, > spiritual, musical, social and professional. I think this has been > due to the fact that we've had tremendous leadership from clergy and > laypeople, and, we've been able to focus on what is best for the > congregation as a whole, not what specific individuals may want. > > We actually started with 5 in the choir and are now up to 18 (with > three more planning to join us in September!). > > If you're interested, you can even find Augustana on the web at: > > http://www.augustana.org > > Information about our recent performance of the Faure Requiem can be > found by clicking the link or by going straight to: > > http://www.augustana.org/FaureRequiem.html > > > > Best regards, > > Mark > > > > Mark Huth > Rodgers Instrument Corporation > mhuth@rodgers.rain.com > http://www.rodgerscorp.com > > ========================== > > Computer; n: A device used to streamline and automate errors. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church From: "rringram" <rringram@syr.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:52:05 -0400   > AGREE!!! If we band together and refuse to "help" such an abusive institution, > maybe (just maybe) that will open their eyes.   Uh...does the word "blackball" mean anything? I remember when the AGO blackballed a church in Lawrence, MA that I had played at. The choir was abusive verbally to every organist who played there, guest or otherwise. I remember before I was to sub there one Sunday my mother saying "You should dress up in black leather and chains and bring a whip!" A good friend of mine was hired as organist there. She came in one Sunday only to find a look of surprise on the choirs' faces and to hear that she had been fired-- without her knowledge. She finally got a letter one week later.   I haven't heard much about them since.  
(back) Subject: Re: playing for one's own church From: <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:05:37 EDT   In a message dated 8/6/98 3:40:20 PM Central Daylight Time, FireAlarmz@aol.com writes:   > AGREE!!! If we band together and refuse to "help" such an abusive institution, > maybe (just maybe) that will open their eyes.   While my heart agrees with Bill (this is a very human reaction to an unfortunate situation), I feel the REAL OUTCOME is much more likely to be a church decision to do away with the organ, the organist, and get a keyboard or tapes that "anyone" can play!   And as this list (and the other) spends much time bemoaning the fate of both organs and organists, I question the wisdom of ANY action which gives a church an excuse to explore an alternative. Its just not good business, no matter how unpalletable the situation!   Best wishes, Bob  
(back) Subject: Playing for one's own church From: "gregory@mke.earthreach.com" <gregory@mke.earthreach.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 19:05:31 -0000   Greetings:   I began playing in my own church, a United Presbyterian Congregation located in South Central WIsconsin. After substituting for several years I was asked to play on a weekly basis when I was a junior at the U of W Madison, majoring in Organ and Music Education. This lasted for approximately one year.   There was a change in pastors. The attendance at services dropped considerably. I was asked by the pastor to leave my position (on a one week notice). He had already hired another organist at a much cheaper salary! Within a short time span this "pastor" nearly killed the church and was asked to leave! Although this was the congregation where I grew up, I will always have unpleasant memories of the way I was treated!   Following an unrequested "leave of absence" to help Uncle Same in an unjust war I took a position at an American Baptist Church. I have been there for nearly 30 years! There have been up and downs. I have been through many secretaries, a few custodians and at least 10 pastors and associate pastors.   SInce I began in 1969 First Baptist has installed a 40+ rank E.M. SKinner,located through the organ cleaning house and a Burton harpsichord. We have enlarged our handbells to five octave set of White Chapel. This past Easter we added a hooded antiphonal trumpet.   Although everything is not always a bed of sweet smelling roses. The church has always accepted me and my family. When problems or disagreements do arise, we all try to overcome them by using what commonly known as "people skills".   In conclusion, playing for one's own church can work IF there there is communication and committment between all involved.   Tom Gregory First Baptist Church (An American Baptist Congregation Waukesha WI USA