PipeChat Digest #484 - Tuesday, August 11, 1998
 
Re: John Cage's 4'33"
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: First Time
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
Re: John Cage's 4'33"
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@MediaOne.net>
Re: First Time
  by "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net>
Re: First Time
  by "Dr. Edward Peterson" <epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com>
Re: First Time
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: First Time
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@truelink.net>
litigation
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@ptw.com>
Re: First Time
  by <VOet@aol.com>
Re: First Time
  by <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Re: Good EO vs Poor PO
  by "steve ashley" <piping.hot@virgin.net>
Re: First Time
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Good EO vs Poor PO
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
no mail
  by "Letitia Ogden" <lyogden@clearnet.net>
Re: Good EO vs Poor PO
  by <danbel@earthlink.net>
TO Posters??
  by "Kevin Cartwright" <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: John Cage's 4'33"
  by "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com>
Re: First Time
  by <sohmer@juno.com>
Re: First Time
  by <sohmer@juno.com>
Re: First Time
  by <sohmer@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: John Cage's 4'33" From: <ComposerTX@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:17:21 EDT   Kurt, About John Cage's 4'33", in which key/mode/tone row do you want the transcription pitched? You folks gotta tell us arrangers these things, you know? BTW, Luby's is the Dallas-area cafeteria institution, but you have to hurry to get a seat. The Baptists ALWAYS beat us Presbyterians there for Sunday lunch, unless, of course, it's Lottie Moon Sunday. Regards, Danny Ray  
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:01:20 -0700   At 01:55 AM 8/10/98 EDT, ComposerTX@aol.com wrote: >Kurt, you're right about John Cage's 4'33" being just the right length. I have >transcribed it for organ. It's available for $25.00 US per copy. Send to Danny >Ray. And, oh yes, the length of the piece. . . by the time the piece is >finished, I'm already halfway to Luby's.     Gee...I gotta tape of 4'33" coming, and NOW I can get the MUSIC! Shazam!!!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: John Cage's 4'33" From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@MediaOne.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:04:51 -0400   ComposerTX@aol.com wrote: > > Kurt, > About John Cage's 4'33", in which key/mode/tone row do you want the > transcription pitched? You folks gotta tell us arrangers these things, you > know?   G Major was the key used on the organ transcription which is performed at silent film festivals. There is a wonderful companion piece with many registration changes titled "Pfft Pfft". I believe that Walter Piston was the composer, but I am not sure.   Stan  
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:21:06 -0700   I may have an audition to play soon. I think I'll use the 4' 33" as my centerpiece. Think it will impress the committee?   Dennis        
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com (Dr. Edward Peterson) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:28:01 -0500   On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:21:06 -0700, "Dennis Goward" <dgoward@uswest.net> wrote:   >I may have an audition to play soon. I think I'll use the 4' 33" as my >centerpiece. Think it will impress the committee? >   I suppose a great deal would depend upon your performace skills - can you play it in strict, exacting tempo, or do you have to rely on a stop- watch?   Dr.Ed ~_^  
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:48:38 -0700   Mac Hayes wrote: > Kurt Kehler wrote: > > ... > > Regarding soft organ music, has John Cage's 4'33" been transcribed for > > organ? It's a good length for a prelude. > > I have a bootleg tape of this piece on the Methuen Music Hall organ, > organist not identified. Anyone wanting a copy, e-mail me privately.   To all those who wanted a copy of this tape, I have to report that both you and I have been taken. My copy is blank! I just played it, and there's nothing there! Of course if you really insist on hearing this work, you could play 4' 33" worth of any blank tape, while sitting at the piano. Of course this will not be as good as a performance in a large auditorium, but each performance WILL be different.   Mac    
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:26:20 -0700   At 10:48 AM 8/10/98 -0700, Mac Hayes wrote: >Mac Hayes wrote:   >To all those who wanted a copy of this tape, I have to report that both >you and I have been taken. My copy is blank! I just played it, and >there's nothing there!<snip>   Mac...   You're JUST not getting it!!! That's a PERFORMANCE...IF you can hear it through the noise level of the tape. Are you SURE you got your DOlby on?   ROFLAO   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: litigation From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:22:06 -0700   What really worries me is, what if someone really did perform 4' 33" at Methuen? Could I be sued for having a blank tape that I claimed to be a copy of that performance?   Mac cogito ergo agito    
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: <VOet@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:59:17 EDT   All of the posts about John Cage's 4'33" reminds me of the time I went to a live concert of the organ duets of Eunice Enoff and General Cancel. This was a performance that no recording could do justice! You had to see those two on an organ bench to believe it.   Bill Voetberg   Have we had enough yet?  
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: <FireAlarmz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:19 EDT   << >I may have an audition to play soon. I think I'll use the 4' 33" as my >centerpiece. Think it will impress the committee? > I suppose a great deal would depend upon your performace skills - can you play it in strict, exacting tempo, or do you have to rely on a stop- watch >>     IF you can play it in 3'33", they might be interested... *all* selection committees have "all right now, let's move ahead" types on 'em! :)   Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Re: Good EO vs Poor PO From: steve ashley <piping.hot@virgin.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:04:45 +0100   bruce cornely wrote: > > Steve Ashley whined: > >A few days ago Rebecka (sp?) remarked that > > the interminable discourse on Electronics vs > > Pipes was wearing thin.   I think that's a little insulting. I don't recall getting personal in my posting. > > Not to cast any stones, but I am curious why people lurk, don't post, > don't contribute, but when they get bored with OTHER people's postings > they complain that too much time is spent on a given discussion.   As a point of order, this is NOT my first posting. Just because someone is not vocal ALL the time doesn't make them a "lurker". And I have only recently re-joined the List (about 3 weeks ago) after a long absence because of lack of time to wade through all the mail.   To make this organic, if you are bored by other than TO > start an exclusive list and don't allow any classical people on it or > simply "push your cancel button." If you don't have an opinion or want > to participate then go practice, but for Pete's sake quit whining!   I also don't recall saying that I was bored with all the non-TO postings. I think I am a little more broad-minded than that! I WAS expressing an opinion, actually. I'm sorry that you thought it was "whining". > > > I love TO, find EO sometimes moves me and > > rarely get turned on by CO. But that's just my > > perspective. Does anyone else care? I hope > > not!! > Frankly no! But most of us are polite enough to allow you to express > your opinion.   I appreciate the courtesy. But I thought that was what this list is about. > > First of all, the word is DAMN! Just because the general public > doesn't care doesn't mean we should belly up and die. Most pop music > now is electronic--true; however, most pop music is also excrement! > Most people don't care about much of anything any more, and it is that > kind of blind indifference that is allowing garbage to dominate the > music scene.   I think you missed my point. In the debate about this subject, the object should surely be the resultant sound, regardless of the way it is made. Yes, it would be great if all organ music (of whatever flavour) was produced purely for afficionados, but in real life that simply is not the case. The over-riding factor was, is and always will be economic in the vast majority of installations. If the owners of whatever building in which the instrument is installed consider that the Organ is too expensive or too little used or just not cost-effective, then generally a change is made. The dreaded Bottom Line is usually more important than the Sound. Which, oddly enough, is why organs came into being in the first place - one man making as much sound as many.   The majority of the audience wouldn't notice the difference if a Harrison was replaced by an Allen. Yes, I agree with you that the blind indifference is destroying the music scene... many music scenes in fact. But I think we, as a "fraternity" put too much emphasis on WHAT makes the sound. Yes, I prefer pipes of any description, but do I think there's much long-term future for them? Not a chance in HELL. I am just thankful that a handful of companies think that there's a financial future in synthesized pipe organ sounds - because without them, the sound of organ music would be in a lot worse state than it is now. The alternative does not seem to be "which PIPE organ shall we install in this church/concert hall/etc", but do we put in an organ of ANY description, and if, so, what are the financial realities of maintaining the Beast? If nothing else, the electronics have provided a cost-effective alternative to pipes and with increasingly good technology, the sonic differences have become much less bothersome. > > >Yes, I can understand why someone not > > COMPLETELY gaga about organ music > > would quit a list like this. > We're glad you understand and bid you fond farewell if you can't put up > with it any more.   Tisch, tisch. A little personal again. Yes, I know that this list is for organ-nuts (see note below), and I include myself. No, I don't give up that easily. I actually enjoy many of the threads (including some non-TO...!!!!!) > > > We're all NUTS! > Are you speaking for all TO people?   Naughty, naughty. I think you need to re-read my posting and take the last comments in the spirit intended... humourously.   Oh dear, I appear to have ruffled some feathers. Please accept my apologies. I certainly did not intend to offend, merely to bring another opinion to the forum. And, after all, it IS just one man's opinion.   Steve Ashley Piping Hot Recording Company      
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: dougcampbell@juno.com (Douglas A. Campbell) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:01:29 EDT     On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:26:20 -0700 Bob Scarborough <desertbob@truelink.net> writes: > >You're JUST not getting it!!! That's a PERFORMANCE...IF you can hear >it >through the noise level of the tape. Are you SURE you got your DOlby >on? > >ROFLAO > >DeserTBoB   I have a copy available, too ! Unfortunately, it is at a very slow tempo and uses the entire side of the cassette !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: Good EO vs Poor PO From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:34:04 -0500   You know, Steve and Bruce, the irony of all this was that this thread WAS good and dead for several days before Steve revived it!   Regards, Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: no mail From: lyogden@clearnet.net (Letitia Ogden) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:16:36 -0400   set no mail <lyogden@clearnet.net>    
(back) Subject: Re: Good EO vs Poor PO From: danbel@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:05:26 -0400   I think Steve and Bruce should go to their respective corners -- the round SHOULD be over.     djb    
(back) Subject: TO Posters?? From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:11:21 -0500   Does anyone know where I can obtain some decent-sized posters of theatre organ consoles? I would be very appreciative if someone can help me. Please reply privately.   Thanks,   Kevin Cartwright Greenville, Alabama kevin1@alaweb.com      
(back) Subject: Re: John Cage's 4'33" From: "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:21:07 -0400   On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:19:01 -0400, ComposerTX@aol.com wrote:   >About John Cage's 4'33", in which key/mode/tone row do you want the >transcription pitched? You folks gotta tell us arrangers these things, you >know?   A# Locrian, Tone Row=normal. But you've left out the most important part - what color to use for the cover: I choose blue.   >BTW, Luby's is the Dallas-area cafeteria institution, but you have to hurry to >get a seat.   Sounds like a nice place, as long as they aren't serving any alcohol.   >The Baptists ALWAYS beat us Presbyterians there for Sunday lunch, >unless, of course, it's Lottie Moon Sunday.   What's Lottie Moon Sunday?   Kurt        
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: sohmer@juno.com Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:27:02 -0400   I think there is a recording of this by Anthony Newman. Although his timing is much different (he did it in 1' 1.25"), he kept the title correct. As memory recalls, his choice of stops (he did his own transcription, of course) is listed on the record sleeve.   steveohmer On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:05:19 EDT <FireAlarmz@aol.com> writes: ><< >I may have an audition to play soon. I think I'll use the 4' 33" >as my > >centerpiece. Think it will impress the committee? > > > > I suppose a great deal would depend upon your performace skills - >can > you play it in strict, exacting tempo, or do you have to rely on a >stop- > watch >> > > >IF you can play it in 3'33", they might be interested... *all* >selection >committees have "all right now, let's move ahead" types on 'em! :) > >Bill Miller > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: sohmer@juno.com Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:57:59 -0400   here they come..... eeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. (The cyber police, copyright division is on its way. Quick! Hide! Run and hide!)     steveohmer who wants a copy but will e-mail privately, so as not to get caught...... rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr   On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:14:30 -0700 Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> writes: >Kurt Kehler wrote: >> ... >> Regarding soft organ music, has John Cage's 4'33" been transcribed >for >> organ? It's a good length for a prelude. > >I have a bootleg tape of this piece on the Methuen Music Hall organ, >organist not identified. Anyone wanting a copy, e-mail me privately. > >Mac Hayes >cogito ergo prohibeo > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]  
(back) Subject: Re: First Time From: sohmer@juno.com Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:02:00 -0400   Maybe Luby's SHOULD have an organ, Danny! They seem to do better in the South anyway - the far south and west. Maybe some of the pipes or divisions could be placed behind the meat servers, and the grand piano by the cash register..........     stevohmer On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:23:52 -0400 "Kurt Kehler" <kmkehler@compuserve.com> writes: >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:57:23 -0400, ComposerTX@aol.com wrote: > >>Kurt, you're right about John Cage's 4'33" being just the right >length. I have >>transcribed it for organ. It's available for $25.00 US per copy. Send >to Danny >>Ray. And, oh yes, the length of the piece. . . by the time the piece >is >>finished, I'm already halfway to Luby's. >>LOL >>Danny Ray > >Danny, > >Oh my nerves... (clearing tears of laughter). Listen, Danny, since my >check is already in the mail, would you mind sending my copy today, so >I can get a headstart on learning the notes? > >What's Luby's? Some sort of pizza joint with organ? > >Kurt > > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]