PipeChat Digest #633 - Saturday, December 19, 1998
 
Re: Carols during Advent?
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Re: Carols during Advent?
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Change of Address
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Change of Address II
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A MILLION Pardons
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Re: Carols during Advent?
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Re: Carols during Advent?
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(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent? From: DRAWKNOB@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 10:08:19 EST   In a message dated 12/17/98 10:45:47 PM Central Standard Time, Afreed0904@aol.com writes:   << I think it's lovely for Macy's and Nieman-Marcus to have a thing called Christmas. I just don't want anyone to confuse it with something the Church has by the same name! >>   I do believe that you and me are peas and we are from the very same pod on this issue, I couldn't agree more!   <<this was the first time I've peeked at your web page. VERY impressive!>>   Thanks!   <<When you say "Christian Church" does that mean as in "Disciples of Christ"?>>   Yes, albeit more liturgical than most Disciples churches -- almost low church Episcopalian :-)   John Gambill Organist/Choirmaster Oak Cliff Christian Church Dallas, Texas http://members.tripod.com/~organist_johng/index.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent? From: JKVDP@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 15:28:26 EST   Advent is a real problem for semi-liturgical churches. At the Presbyterian USA church I serve, the pastor chooses the hymns and this year didn't get to a carol until the 4th Sunday of Advent. Wow, you should have heard the cries of torment at Choir last night! I was grateful that the Hymn selection is not my responsibility.   Now as to the Advent problem itself: First, it is a relatively late liturgical development. Second, Reformed Churches did not historically observe Advent. While Presbyterians in Scotland did not even observe Christmas, the Continental Reformed Churches did observe Christmas. There are stories of Scottish clerics who, if Dec 25th fell on Sunday, might actually preach on Christ's passion. I believe that some of the smaller Scottish denominations continue to not observe Christmas. Semi and non-liturgical churches then have little historical or theological basis for Advent, except what is borrowed from the Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Anglicans.....and,. of course, the demands of Commercial promoters!   So in the end, while liturgical churches would observe advent correctly, the semi and non-liturgical churches have far more freedom. Yet, I can't imagine any congregation singing Christ the Lord is Risen Today on Palm Sunday!   Organic Content: I remember some years ago upon completing the installation of a new organ in an Episcopal church during Lent, the Rector promptly suspended Lent so they could celebrate!!! Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: Change of Address From: PollyDon@Tiac.Net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:11:03 -0500   We can now be reached at pollydon@mediaone.com -May you all have a Blessed Holiday Season, and a Prosperous, Healthy New Year!   Don Phipps and Polly Duff  
(back) Subject: Change of Address II From: PollyDon@Tiac.Net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 17:55:21 -0500   Cherished Family and Dear Friends,   The Holiday Greetings in our recent e-mail remain the same. However, the address needs a minor adjustment. It should have read: pollydon@mediaone.net   Please make allowances for our Senior Moment.   'Tis the Season,   Don Phipps and Polly Duff  
(back) Subject: A MILLION Pardons From: PollyDon@Tiac.Net Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:36:12 -0500   Dear Members,   How ghastly and embarassing the pushing of one wrong button can be! We apologize to ALL for taking up the space (twice), and hasten to add that Pipe Chat has been purged from our address book.   P. Duff  
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent? From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:16:29 -0000   Several large Baptist and Pentecostal churches around here have the big Christmas program with 200 in the choir, 100 piece orchestra, 2 microphones for everyone, multi-track accompaniments, (no organ, of course). They do all the birth, complete with choir members singing with their faces as part of a "living tree." But they always end up with the crucifixion and resurrection as well as an altar call. Guess they feel that the whole story needs to be told at all times. JOHN          
(back) Subject: Re: Carols during Advent? From: Afreed0904@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:43:21 EST     In a message dated 12.18.98 3:30:33 PM, JKVDP@aol.com writes:   <<Semi and non-liturgical churches then have little historical or theological basis for Advent, except what is borrowed from the Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Anglicans....>>   Jerry:   Your historical summary is fascinating, and, so far as I can judge, quite accurate. But I would suggest one shift in the above sentence. They may "borrow" from the Romans, Lutes, and Anglicans, but they're borrowing something that is really already theirs in the first place. True, it's been sitting in a trunk in the attic, but as sure as they, too, are descendants of the pre-Reformation Church, the stuff is just as much "theirs" as it is, say, Canterbury's. Sure, they can use it or not--even Rome can choose what to use and what not to use. But it IS "theirs."   Alan Freed http://www.thelutheran.org/9709/page26.html