PipeChat Digest #245 - Monday, February 9, 1998
 
Re: St. Peter & St. Paul -- Blockley
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Downbeats
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Downbeats
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Downbeats
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Downbeats
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Downbeats
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Adjustable bench
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Downbeats
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: BBC Studio Organ
  by <MightyYKW@aol.com>
Re: Downbeats
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Organs in American Universities
  by Mark Quarmby <markq@mail.flex.com.au>
Re: Choir&Organ
  by <HDKarras@aol.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: St. Peter & St. Paul -- Blockley From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:23:42 -0500   Thanks John. 'Precialate it!!   bruce   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:45:37 +0000   Roger wrote:   > This little discussion can probably best be summarized as: is it > necessary to pump the swell pedal on a pipe organ to emphasize > downbeats?   With whom are you having this discussion?   Put simply: every measure has a down-beat. This merely refers to the first beat of the measure. If one did not have a swell pedal one could still have down-beats.   As for emphasizing down-beats with the swell pedal, well, that's a matter of style and technique. Bach, for example, can rather stand on his own without the need to show where his down-beats fall. Something like a theater organ-style of playing, on the other hand, relies more on such an effect, perhaps not every single measure, but is important to the overall sound.   So, there you have it.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:56:39 -0600 (CST)   At 07:10 PM 2/8/98 -0800, Roger wrote: >Maybe the list could help a couple of friends settle a friendly on-going dispute that has existed for some time now. > >This little discussion can probably best be summarized as: is it necessary to pump the swell pedal on a pipe organ to emphasize downbeats? > >There are corollary questions such as: can there be downbeats without a swell pedal? Are tracker organs better than electro-pneumatic organs for this purpose? Should organists really care about downbeats at all? How does one learn to produce downbeats without the help of a swell pedal---should this prove to be possible?   While I am one of those who on the whole thinks organs should have swellboxes, I do not think that pumping the swellpedal in this way is either necessary or desirable. It is largely a question of phrasing, something which any keyboard instrument teacher will be happy to teach you to do, though some are better at it than others. Furthermore, the downbeat is not always the thing you want to emphasize. At my own church today we had "Amazing grace" as one of the hymns. Our Minister of Music was anxious that we, the choir, should emphasize, not the first, but the *second* beat of every bar in this hymn, and she got us to do this in the practice by getting us all to slap our knees at the appropriate moment while we rehearsed. This caused me to see the hymn in a completely new and quite wonderful light. It did, however, make me feel a bit like the monks in *Monty Python and the Holy Grail* who go around singing, "Pie Jesu Domine, dona nobis pacem" and hitting themselves over the head with pieces of wood :-)   John.    
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 23:19:36     >At 07:10 PM 2/8/98 -0800, Roger wrote: >>Maybe the list could help a couple of friends settle a friendly on-going >dispute that has existed for some time now. >> >>This little discussion can probably best be summarized as: is it necessary >to pump the swell pedal on a pipe organ to emphasize downbeats?     Ha! If I tried that at church, it would be the SECOND beat emphasized.... for some reason, it takes a while for the Moller's shades to react to what the pedal has just told them to do.   There is a theatre-organ style, however, that rhythmically pumps the pedal, I guess in lieu of a rhythm section.... I always hated it, though.... wrecks the phrasing and line of the music. Makes it vertical and ponderous rather than horizontal and flowing.   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:53:22 -0600   It sure helps the airconditioning.   Ps. Did you find "War March of the Priests"????                    
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:57:40 -0600   Sorry War March belongs to someone else.   Dick    
(back) Subject: Re: Adjustable bench From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:15:38 -0500   Jason, you might try getting a carpenter friend to build you a bench "cover" which would sit on top of the bench, rather than using blocks beneath the legs. It would be rather simple to build and easier to use than blocks. I practice on an organ with an adjustable bench and I do not like it at all. Not only is very inconvenient but it is extremely heavy and almost takes two people to move it forward or back. Good luck.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:21:46 -0500   I think downbeats are best made clear with articulation. The swell pedal on and electric action organ is not going to move fast enough to make a difference for a downbeat; I don't know that the difference would be perceptible on a tracker, but in either case that is not the function of a swell pedal. Articulation is the key.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: BBC Studio Organ From: MightyYKW@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:00:06 EST   Just a few quick notes about Reginald Foort Moller and the BBC Studio Organs: The original organ, a Compton, was destroyed by fire due to a bombing in WW2. The Travelling Moller, which is now in Pasadena, CA, was installed in the new studio (actually a church) replacement after the war. After usage in Holland and then in San Diego, it finally landed in the Civic Auditorium where Dave Junchen worked his magic and it now sounds better than it ever did, according to many. I believe Reggie heard it once in its present home and was very impressed. At the ATOS convention in '96, Simon Gledhill payed a great tribute to Foort and even showed a rare film of the Moller in its mobile days, with a neat segue into the live sound at the end - it was amazing how much of the unique character of that organ in the film is still present in Pasadena!   -Cory Edelman  
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:17:45 EST   Thank You Bruce,,,and Thank You Shirley,,,,this should clear up this matter,,,and me,,,the ole organ fixer and player guy,,,agrees wholeheartedly..I really can't see any set of swell shades acting quick enough to be of any value for a downbeat,,,,Now a Hammond,,,maybe LOL. Anybody wanna take bets on how long this thread goes around,,,,,,,,   Cheers,,   Roc  
(back) Subject: Organs in American Universities From: markq@mail.flex.com.au (Mark Quarmby) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:18:45 +1000   I have a friend who is doing some research into organs in universities and he would be very grateful if any Listers could supply the following information. He would like to know the name of the organ builder and the year in which the following organs were built (the main concert/recital instrument on campus in each case):   1 Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee   2 Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia   3 University of Nebraska, Lincoln, Nebraska   4 University of Texas, Austin, Texas   5 Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona   Many thanks in anticipation,     Mark      
(back) Subject: Re: Choir&Organ From: HDKarras@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:55:46 EST   << Anyone interested in THE DIAPASON should take them up on their free sample issue offer .. they are quite prompt. I received mine less than a week after 'signing up' via email to them. >>   Hi, can anyone give me the adress, phone number and Internet adress from THE DIAPASON, i would like to subscribe it. Thanks Hans