PipeChat Digest #246 - Tuesday, February 10, 1998
 
Re: Organs in American Universities
  by <SCoonrod@aol.com>
#*Gober Organs Rededication Recital  Feb. 15th (X- Posted)
  by CJSD <noto@river.netrover.com>
Re: Piano/Organ Duets (Was Re: 4-Hand Pieces)
  by Kenneth O. Woods <kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil>
Re: Prelude length (Was Re: Postludes, preludes, and showing  off)Re: Pre
  by Kenneth O. Woods <kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil>
Arizona State University
  by Grahame Davis <wineorg@azstarnet.com>
Allen analogs
  by CRWOOD <Crwood@cris.com>
Re: Choir&Organ
  by Vincent <vlefevere@unicall.be>
Re: Downbeats
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: British Comedy
  by Mark Huth <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com>
Re: Downbeats
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Downbeats
  by Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk>
Visser Rowland Organs
  by Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Music Schools in Pennsylvania
  by Jillian K. Schultheis <organgeek@geocities.com>
Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Organs in American Universities Univ of TX/Austin
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Works of N.J. Lemmens/Zsoltan Gardonyi
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
ATOS National - Your Comments?
  by John Balboni <JohnB@GCQ.net>
Re: Organs in American Universities
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Allen analogs
  by <CDKrug@aol.com>
Re: 4-Hand Pieces (was Postlude Showing Off)
  by Brian Pearson <bpearson@adelaide.on.net>
Post Message
  by George Smith <geosmith@abcs.com>
Re: Allen analogs
  by <FireAlarmz@aol.com>
Downbeats
  by Jim Reinhart <jimrein@main.ismi.net>
Re: 4-Hand Pieces (was Postlude Showing Off)
  by Glenda <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
New organ
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
Jelani Eddington New CD (cross posted)
  by KARL W KELLER <kwkeller@juno.com>
Re: New organ (in Claremont CA)
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: New organ (in Claremont CA)
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Organs in American Universities From: SCoonrod@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:53:04 EST   In a message dated 98-02-09 02:23:30 EST, markq@mail.flex.com.au writes:     << 1 Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee   I think it is an Allen, which replaced an Aeolian 2 Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia   Emory has two main organs, a large Casavant EP , 3/p,and a Holtkamp tracker 2/p, and a Taylor/Boody English baroque style 2/p 3 University of Nebraska, Lincoln, Nebraska ??? 4 University of Texas, Austin, Texas   Big 4/90ish Visser-Rowland tracker   5 Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona ?? >>  
(back) Subject: #*Gober Organs Rededication Recital Feb. 15th (X- Posted) From: CJSD <noto@river.netrover.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:22:28 -0500 (EST)   Gober Organs Inc, Toronto Canada announces a Celebration Organ Recital this Sunday Feb. 15th. Hear Our Latest Rebuild.   Location: Richmond Hill United Church 10201 Yonge Street in downtown Richmond Hill, just north of Major MacKenzie Drive Time: 7:00 pm Admission: Free Organist Barry Peters plays baroque, romantic & contemporary works.   RICMOND HILL UNITED CHURCH Richmond Hill, Ontario, Canada   Work has begun on the major rebuild of Richmond Hill United Church's Casavant organ. Built in the 1930's, this instrument's stoplist reflects the emphasis of that era on a variety of 8' stops. We will be adding upperwork in both manuals, a reed for the Great and Pedal, and rebuilding and revoicing various existing stops. We are delighted to have been chosen to carry out this important project right here in the area. Organist and Choirmaster Barry Peters has very strong backing for this project from his congregation, particularly the members of his choir.   ************************************************************ Simon Dyk Toronto Canada   GOBER ORGANS INC. http://www.netrover.com/~noto/gober/index.htm CHURCH OF THE TRANSFIGURATION http://www.interlog.com/~transfig/trans.htm PERSONAL HOME PAGE: http://www.netrover.com/~noto/gober/~noto.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Piano/Organ Duets (Was Re: 4-Hand Pieces) From: kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil (Kenneth O. Woods) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 8:47:39 EST   > > There is a wonderful "Dialogue" by Sowerby for piano and organ, I can get > info. on it if anyone wishes. It is for concert performance rather than a > church service. I heard this piece played yesterday as part of a organ/harpsichord organ/piano concert. A very nice work.   -- Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil  
(back) Subject: Re: Prelude length (Was Re: Postludes, preludes, and showing off)Re: Prelude length From: kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil (Kenneth O. Woods) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 8:50:48 EST   > > Beau Surratt wrote: > > > > The prelude is also after the announcements at my church. It is a small > > church, so the prelude has to be very short. Does anyone have any > > suggestions for music that would suit this purpose? > > The hymn "Morning Has Broken" with music by Carlton Young (1988) and > > Just some ideas... > > Kevin C. > Lorenz publishes a bi-monthly book called the Organist. Mostly 2-4 minutes in length, easy enough for me but very nice arrangements.   -- Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil    
(back) Subject: Arizona State University From: Grahame Davis <wineorg@azstarnet.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 07:45:13 -0800   Brothers and Sisters on the List,   The organ in the Gammage Auditorium at Arizona State University is a Whiteford "Portable" AEolian-Skinner. It has three manuals and 56 ranks of pipes. It was installed in 1963. There is a newer organ at the School of Music installed in the Organ Hall. It is a Schniger-like copy by Paul Fritts and has two manuals and about 32 ranks.   Regards to all....Grahame    
(back) Subject: Allen analogs From: CRWOOD <Crwood@cris.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:52:52 -0500 (EST)   I live in the New York City area. I would like to meet organists who have, in their churches, larger Allen organs that were installed from 1965 to 1970. Typically, these organs have 3 manuals. The generators are in racks, away from the console. As analog organs, they are somewhat out of style, but not to me. As a retired organist, I have fond memories of such instruments and would like to refresh my sonic recall. I do not have any commercial interest.   Best regards, Charles Wood        
(back) Subject: Re: Choir&Organ From: "Vincent" <vlefevere@unicall.be> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:19:13 +0100       ---------- > Van: Kevin M. Simons <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu> > Aan: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Onderwerp: Re: Choir&Organ > Datum: zondag 8 februari 1998 16:00 >=20 > Dave Pitzer wrote: > >=20 > > All, > >=20 > > I recently received a subscription off to a European magazine "Choir = & > > Organ". Does anyone has any experience with this publication? Good? Bad? > > Indifferent? > >=20 > > David Pizer > >=20 > I have read this magazine, and enjoyed it very much. I have a hard tim= e > finding it, but whenever I do I snatch up a copy. =20 >=20 > Kevin M. Simons >=20 Maybe the bimonthly Newsletters of the non-profit association "Organs in Flanders" could convene. This magazine is giving information about local as foreign pipe organ ite= ms as well. Please send a private E-Mail to vlefevere@unicall.be to get further information. You can visit their website http://uc2.unicall.be/vlefevere/index.htm, giving access to other pipe organ web sites. "Organs in Flanders" is grouping 500 organists and organ lovers in Belgiu= m. Vincent Lef=E8vre  
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:31:25   At 22:53 02/08/98 -0600, you wrote: >It sure helps the airconditioning. > >Ps. Did you find "War March of the Priests"????     Who, me? Yup.... a friend locally Xeroxed his copy for me. Thanks!   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: British Comedy From: "Mark Huth" <mhuth@rodgers.rain.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:35:47 PDT       Kevin Cartwright wrote:   > > http://www.rodgerscorp.com > > That homepage is a really nice one. I was so impressed that I sent for > more information. > > Kevin C. > kevin1@alaweb.com   Thanks, Kevin. We've had a lot of hits over the past few months. Glad you enjoyed the site.   Mark         Mark Huth Rodgers Instrument Corporation mhuth@rodgers.rain.com http://www.rodgerscorp.com   ==========================   A good pun is its own reword.    
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:50:37   Said I,   >Who, me? Yup.... a friend locally Xeroxed his copy for me. Thanks!   Well, it finally happened. The infallible (me) isn't. Sorry for posting a private message to the list. Meant to change the addy.... honest. :)   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Downbeats From: Gordon Lucas & Larry McGuire <stops@globalnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:45:41 GMT   SNIP   I really can't see any set of swell shades acting quick enough >to be of any value for a downbeat,,,,   Not wanting to blow my own Trumpet, Tuba, or even Kinura....   As one who plays 'rhthym' on the pipe organ from time to time for strict tempo dancing, I can assure you that not only can one accentuate the 'downbeat', but for this type of use, it is essential to develop and use a swell pedal technique which 'pumps' the shutters.   The style has also been transmogrified onto the electronic organ, and exagerated thereon, particularly by 'jazz' stylists, but the swell pedal technique on the electronic is subtly different again.   For the benefit of those who play pipe organs with 'slow' swell pedal actions - be those slow actions pneumatically assisted or completely mechanical, a good electro-pneumatic action will not only respond quickly, but for dance tempo use, the player MUST ANTICIPATE the responses of ALL of the instrument, not just the shutters.   With regard to the swell shutters (shades), with personal experience of having played hundreds of instruments of all types, and anecdotal comments from many other performers, it must be said that the theatre organ type of action with a motor-per-blade responds much faster than even the best whiffle-tree action, and either of those will respond quicker than the 'infinite speed and gradation' type developed by Willis.   When playing in the Cinema or Theatre, the performer is at the mercy not only of the instrument itself, but also of the room acoustics. Often, the console position is the last place in the building to receive the sound from the organ chambers, and the 'direct' sound to the console is often, in reality, a reflection from the back or side wall of the auditorium - (in the theatre where I played, the sound reached the console from the main chamber almost 200 milliseconds after playing a note - the chamber was 75 feet from the console, and both the chamber front and the shades therein directed the sound to the rear wall of the theatre 120 feet away, a total distance of 195 feet...... ) a time lag of almost a full beat in the bar if playing a quickstep....   (Not unlike our local cathedral, where until recently, the console was on a gallery at the rear of the North Transept, and the organ itself was at the rear of the South Transept, and the poor organist had to cope with the sound of the instrument taking 90 milliseconds to reach him).   We always used to laugh when an electronic organist tried to play the organ in the theatre, they would get the first bar out, then get slower and slower........   But the point of this is, that to accentuate a particular beat, or to play a swell pedal sforzando to give it its technical term, usually requires that the organist know his instrument, to anticipate when the pedal has to move in order to give the desired aural effect.   I suspect that Shirley will already know this from her days playing theatre organs.....   BFN   Larry    
(back) Subject: Visser Rowland Organs From: Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:56:10 -0600   At the church where I am a member ( First Baptist, Jackson TN), we have a Visser Rowland 3/62 which I was fortunate enough to learn on. I was wondering if anyone would have any info concerning websites about Visser Rowland instruments.       Beau Surratt Organist, Bemis United Methodist Church  
(back) Subject: Music Schools in Pennsylvania From: "Jillian K. Schultheis" <organgeek@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:17:51 -0500   Hi List,   Does anyone know of any good music schools in Pennsylvania? I heard Susquehenna is a nice school, but that is all I have heard. I am looking into a composition major and minor in organ.   Thanx, Jill  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:28:57 EST   In a message dated 98-02-09 16:21:02 EST, you write:   << Does anyone know of any good music schools in Pennsylvania? I heard Susquehenna is a nice school, but that is all I have heard. I am looking into a composition major and minor in organ. >>   Duquesne University and Carnegie-Mellon University, both right here in ole' Pittsburgh.   Scott Foppiano  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:46:55 -0600   Not Pennsylvania but close.   Peabody in Baltimore Md.   Virgil Fox's old stomping grounds.   Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in American Universities Univ of TX/Austin From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:31:17 -0800   University of Texas, Austin, Texas - IV/98 - Visser-Rowland tracker - built beginning in Dec 1980 - no installation date given on CD cover "Works of Frank Speller"   AZ State - III/60-ish Aeolian- Skinner **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:52:32 -0600   Sorry I sent this message to Scott Fapiano instead of to you.   Not Pennsylvania but close.   Peabody in Baltimore, Md.   Virgil Fox's old stomping grounds.   Dick  
(back) Subject: Works of N.J. Lemmens/Zsoltan Gardonyi From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:43:23 -0800   I was recently playing an old LP recorded by Patrice Caire of the Organ Sonatas of N.J. Lemmens. There was no information on the jacket about publishers - do any of you out there know who published them?   Also, I have been looking for a copy some pieces by Zsoltan Gardonyi - a Partita on Veni Creator and his Organ Sonatas. His music used to be distributed by Boosey, but the last time I tried to order this piece it came back "permanently out of print"..... :-( **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: Music Schools in Pennsylvania From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:02:38 -0600   I could play the Wanamaker blindfolded easier than learning to send these messages correctly. Have patience, my blower isn't up to speed yet.   Dick  
(back) Subject: ATOS National - Your Comments? From: JohnB@GCQ.net (John Balboni) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:57:26 -0500     I'm considering taking some vacation time and traveling to the ATOS National conference in July this year. I just got Theatre Organ magazine and the program looks interesting. I've never been to an ATOS conference before (this would be a first) and wonder what people's opinions are from past conference experiences.   It would seem that the conference is more than just listening to music all day .... How well are things organized? The talks / presentations? Is a total stranger to the group usually welcomed to mingle? Noting that this event is during a holiday period, how congested will the area be with vacationers?   Thanks!   John Balboni    
(back) Subject: Re: Organs in American Universities From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:23:05 +0000   > 3 University of Nebraska, Lincoln, Nebraska   Gene Bedient, if memory serves me.   > 5 Arizona State University, Tempe, Arizona   Paul Fritts.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Allen analogs From: CDKrug@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:42:57 EST   In a message dated 98-02-09 09:56:02 EST, you write:   << have, in their churches, larger Allen organs that were installed from 1965 to 1970. Typically, these organs have 3 manuals. The generators are in racks, away from the console. As analog organs, they are somewhat out of style, but not to me. >>   I play a 1965 TC-3 w/ solid state generators in the console. Email me privatly for a mtg.   The nearest UMC to my own has a slightly older instrument that also has the TG in the console/ Maybe you mean the 50s?  
(back) Subject: Re: 4-Hand Pieces (was Postlude Showing Off) From: bpearson@adelaide.on.net (Brian Pearson) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:15:00 +0930   >I attended a concert `based on transcriptions of orchestral music. The >two organists performed Wagner's " Ride of the Valkuries. They were >assisted by another person kneeling backwards on top the console turning >pages and another controlling the swell shoes from behind. The back of >the console had been removed. Musically it was fantastic,however it >looked the four Marx brothers at their best.   Theatre organ audiences would die laughing were such antics to be seen during the performance of this or similar works. We are used to one=20 talented organist, assisted by the innate superiority of the facilities for the performance of orchestral transcriptions that even the smallest theatre instrument can provide.   Not only do theatre organists perform these works routinely from memory (having done the hard work of learning the score, and sometimes transcribing each instrumental part by repeatedly listening to an orchestral version), but the final result is far closer to the original than your two organists and assistants can produce on a traditional=20 organ.   Listen to "The Ride of the Valkyries" on a CD called "At Last - Lew Williams at the Alabama Wurlitzer", which also has the "1812 Overture",=20 or Jonas Nordwall's Prelude to Act III from "Lohengrin" on his CD=20 "West Hills Renaissance", with other delights like the Toccata in F by Widor. There are several other great theatre organists whom I could mention who have similar talents in both the traditional and theatre organ fields.   No-one would choose to install a theatre organ in a cathedral, but the converse is also true - that theatre organs are serious musical instruments which have their own area of excellence in the rendition of classical music, to say nothing of the performance of light music of all kinds.   Cheers,=20 Brian. =20      
(back) Subject: Post Message From: George Smith <geosmith@abcs.com> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 20:53:19 -0600   Interested in finding a list of Theater organs in the Seattle Washington area. Please reply via e-mail to <geosmith@abcs.com> Thank you George (geosmith@abcs.com)  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen analogs From: FireAlarmz@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:02:30 EST   Hi Charlie. I love those analog Allens too. Philadelphia had two of the largest- Tenth Presbyterian (4 manuals, 26 generators) and Philadelphia Divinity School (3 manuals, 25 generators). Both were installed in 1970. The first is partly computerized, and the second is in poor condition, owned by a local organ 'celebrity.' The Philadelphia area has some 3 manual organs of +/- 12 generators- nice old instruments.   I know you mentioned New York, but Philadelphia isn't *that* far away.   Sincerely, Bill Miller  
(back) Subject: Downbeats From: Jim Reinhart <jimrein@main.ismi.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 22:44:07 -0500   I have often wondered:   When playing a rythymic piece on a TO, do you actually need to play the pedal part slightly ahead of the beat in order to make the slower speaking bass notes sound on the beat? Seems like the "good" organists I hear are able to accomplish this.   JR    
(back) Subject: Re: 4-Hand Pieces (was Postlude Showing Off) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:27:41 -0800   I'm not sure whether you want 4-hand music that is simple or difficult. There is a whole world of it out there (I think). The three Mozart works, K401, 594 and 608, have been transcribed for four hands (I don't think there is any pedal, but cannot remember, although I've done some of this).   Vester's catalog has a section of organ duet/two organs/organ and piano works, if you are interested.   Glenda Sutton    
(back) Subject: New organ From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:50:42 -0800   Dear fellow chatters,   Just made a trip to see the final touches being put on the new organ for Claremont UCC in Claremont, CA. The dedication concert is Sunday, Feb. 15 at 4:30 p.m. - I hope to be there. I had the priviledge of meeting Manuel Rosales, who is doing the final tonal finishing, and the organbuilder Caspar Glatter-Götz from Germany. The instrument is a III/78 tracker, but voiced with a more romantic sound characteristic of the Rosales instruments I have heard. Manuel Rosales graciously gave me a tour of the instrument and I even got to help install a full-length resonator for the low D of the 32' Contra-Bombarde. Gee, I wish I could have been an organbuilder...! If you want to see pictures of the organ, go to the Glatter-Götz website link via the Northeast Organist's "Organbuilders" section: http://www.tneorg.com **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Jelani Eddington New CD (cross posted) From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:28:09 EST   Dear List Members,   The Dickinson Theatre Organ Society of Wilmington, Delaware is please to announce that Jelani Eddington has just completed the recording of a new CD, yet unnamed, on the 3/66 Kimball TO. This CD, which I promise will delight everyone, will be available prior to the ATOS convention in San Francisco. I had the privilege of assisting in a small way with this production and I came away in awe of Jelani's command of the DTOS Kimball. A perfectionist, Jelani will not accept anything but the very best job he can do. I am sure you will agree after hearing this CD. I will post further news on the release date and ordering information.   Karl Keller Secretary of DTOS   Musica est Dei donum optimi   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: New organ (in Claremont CA) From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:43:42 +0000   Jonathan M Orwig wrote:   > I had the priviledge of meeting > Manuel Rosales, who is doing the final tonal finishing, and the > organbuilder Caspar Glatter-Götz from Germany.   He seems to be doing far more tonal work than actual building these days, curious!   I've seen the photographs on the web site, it's a very striking instrument visually.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: New organ (in Claremont CA) From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:12:00 -0800   Ken wrote:   >I've seen the photographs on the web site, it's a very striking instrument visually.   You should HEAR it! I usually have not been a fan of trackers, as some of them are so narrowly conceived and/or anemically winded that they fail to do justice to anything written after 1780, but this one can go from a whisper to a roar (and one of the voicers said that the action is not too heavy, either). I hope to get a chance to spend some time on the instrument at a later date. It might even help change my mind about tracker action!   **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]