PipeChat Digest #256 - Wednesday, February 18, 1998
 
Re: Dedication Recital & comments
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Question on CD Maintenance
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Size 14 (mens) Converse organ shoes
  by <PHarri5833@aol.com>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Size 14 (mens) Converse organ shoes
  by <ComposerTX@aol.com>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: Size 14 (mens) Converse organ shoes
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher.
  by <TonyIn219@aol.com>
Re: Question on CD Maintenance
  by KARL W KELLER <kwkeller@juno.com>
Re: My Organ Teacher.
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Question on CD Maintenance
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Dedication Recital & comments
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
Re: Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher.
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: My Organ Teacher.
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Question on CD Maintenance
  by Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher.
  by Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com>
Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Can someone help this lady?
  by <DaveW10140@aol.com>
Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the  WWW.)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the  WWW.)
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
A Mander Expander! - X-Posted
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher.
  by O\R Fiol <fiol@bway.net>
Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the  WWW.)
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Dedication Recital & comments From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:39:45 +0000   Jonathan M Orwig wrote:   > >And the recitalist was........? (Claremont UCC recital) > > The Church organist, Dr. Carey Robertson   Ah! Thanks for the info. Never heard of him/her. Youthful person, I'm guessing, just getting a career going?   > If you have ever heard the Rosales instrument at Trinity in Portland, > just put a little more forcefulness on the reeds, and you have it.   More forceful in the reeds than the Portland instrument? Yikes! Thanks for the added info.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:24:03 -0500   Mac Hayes said: >the worst damage was done when I once fired >a pistol that really did a job on my ears.   Ahh! the sacrifices we make; but I'll bet that kid didn't talk during rehearsal anymore!! <g>   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Question on CD Maintenance From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:56:12 -0600   I know this is inorganic, and I apologize for that, but I belong to only a few newsgroups, and this one probably has the largest number of folks on it who are familiar with CD audio technology, and I have a question, so I'll try to keep it brief.   I bought my wife a CD of Enya for Christmas ("Shepherd Moons," the one with "I Dreamt I Dwellt in Marble Halls" on it). Lately, when we play it in a boombox in our bedroom, the music speeds up and slows down and if it were a record (LP) I'd say that somebody was bouncing the needle up and down on it. Playing the CD on our larger Sony carousel-style player gives the same disappointing results. The CD looks normal, except that there is a thick, metallic-looking band, kind of bronze-colored, appearing from the edge of the data side, into the disk about 1/2". (I presume that the data side of the disk should be a shiny silver, while the label side contains only the label and no data, right?) I haven't looked at *all* our other CD's, but none of the ones I have looked at have this kind of band on it - you have to hold the CD up at a certain angle in the light to see what I presume is the data on that side of the CD. Unfortunately, this CD has become my wife's favorite, so she is not a happy camper right now.   Anybody got any ideas about how to fix this problem? Please respond privately.   Thanks, \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Size 14 (mens) Converse organ shoes From: PHarri5833@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:10:44 EST   This dialogue reminds of the possibly apocryphal tale of my former teacher, the late Dr Conrad Eden of Durham Cathedral.   After a student had used incorrect footwear as an excuse for inaccurate pedalling, Dr Eden arrived for his next lesson wearing jackboots and proceeded to demonstrate how with the right technique, the style of footwear becomes unimportant!   I've heard this tale from several sources but never from the student in question. I am curious to know if anyone on this list can verify it authenticity - ideally by having been that student!   Peter Harrison Ramsbottom, GB  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:26:40 -0600   In reference to the firearm: It's quick way to stop a cipher.   Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Size 14 (mens) Converse organ shoes From: ComposerTX@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:39:05 EST   if the story about pedalling in jack boots is not true, it should be. Danny Ray ComposerTX@AOL.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:55:36 +0000   bruce cornely wrote:   > Mac Hayes said: > >the worst damage was done when I once fired > >a pistol that really did a job on my ears. > > Ahh! the sacrifices we make; but I'll bet that kid didn't talk during > > rehearsal anymore!! <g>   Especially if Mac's aim is good. While I don't recommend it in every situation, shooting a choir rowdy -- not necessarily to kill (who wants to have to recruit and train another brand new singer?), as a painful wound to the shoulder or lower leg can be an effective communicator -- typically has the result of getting even the most delinquent of members to be more attentive to the choirmaster's directives. Use this method (to which I refer, in greater detail, in my upcoming book on sacred music, in the chapter, "Da Met'od," where I get into such things as matching calibre of ammunition to calibre of singer, is it sacreligious to use a 'Saturday Night Special' on Sunday morning, et cetera) sparingly, of course. You don't want to get a reputation, you know.   To paraphrase Anna Russell, "I'm definitely making this up, you know!"   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: Size 14 (mens) Converse organ shoes From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:32:21   At 23:57 02/16/98 -0500, bruce cornely wrote: >You're right. A semantic slip on my part. They were snow boots, not >snow shoes, although the length of a snow shoe might come in handy for >playing chords!!     Gives new meaning to the phrase "splatter note". :)  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:07:38 -0800   At 13:55 2/17/98 +0000, Ken wrote: > >To paraphrase Anna Russell, "I'm definitely making this up, you know!" >   Hi, List! I used to have a co-worker, who if he was interrupted in telling a story, would ask, "Now, what was I lying to you about..."       Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher. From: TonyIn219@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:31:11 EST   I.   First of all, thanks Bruce for your cowboy boots and snowshoes response. It's so nice to hear your skewed sense of humor. Isn't this pipechat list a lot more fun than piporg-l for that exact reason?   II.   I was thinking of putting together a spring tour from Chicago to the House on the Rock in Spring Green WI. The House on the Rock is a hand-built home and museum that houses the world's largest collection of functioning music machines, organs, theatre organs, mechanical orchestras, orchestrions, player pianos and more. It also has the world's largest carousel, the only triple- decker carousel in the world (both indoors of course) and the world's largest collection of carousel horses, the world's largest toy circus collection, and enormous collections of every kind, from a life-size Victorian town to a tile- covered Lincoln Continental.   It's a monument to kitch sprawled over five acres of enclosed buildings. It is Wisconsin's #1 tourist attraction.   Anybody interested? E-mail me. I think it could be great fun and a great way to meet some people on the list. I'd be looking at early April or early May or even early June.     III.   My theatre organ lessons are going well. (Remember, I had never played an organ in my life before late last summer).   My teacher has assigned me the Sound of Music -- with a twist -- he wants me to play the final verse this way: melody with my feet and use only block chords on the manuals. I can only move chromatically between chords, to boot.   All this to be done -- from memory -- by March 9th.   Is this normal? Or am I engaged in a psychomasochistic relationship with my teacher?   John Carrington Tonyin219@aol.com Chesterton, Indiana  
(back) Subject: Re: Question on CD Maintenance From: kwkeller@juno.com (KARL W KELLER) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:26:47 EST   When Vernon gets the answer to his problem CD ( he requested private replies ) I hope he will enlighten the List. I have a CD which plays the same as Vernon described and, as it is an "el cheapo" I just figured it was a very bad recording that should have never been released.   Karl Musica est Dei donum optimi   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: My Organ Teacher. From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:41:25   At 14:31 02/17/98 EST, you wrote:     >My theatre organ lessons are going well. (Remember, I had never played an >organ in my life before late last summer). > >My teacher has assigned me the Sound of Music -- with a twist -- he wants me >to play the final verse this way: melody with my feet and use only block >chords on the manuals. I can only move chromatically between chords, to boot. > >All this to be done -- from memory -- by March 9th. > >Is this normal? Or am I engaged in a psychomasochistic relationship with my >teacher? > >John Carrington     Geez, John.... sounds like "busy work" to me. But then again, I don't know the context in which this was assigned.   Kind of depends on what direction you're going and where your teacher is taking you.... what are your goals? If it's to learn theatre-organ styling, this sure doesn't sound like the route, IMNSHO.* If it's to get proficient in two-footed pedalling, then this may be a fun way to do it.   For yourself, try putting the melody in the Left Hand, in a tenor range, and play the chords with the right hand. Do it on an easy song, tho, with no more than C, G7, and F. This will teach you flexibility of thinking chordally in either hand, rather than just the left hand, and will keep your left hand from getting into a rut of playing chords only. It's also a TO stylistic technique.   As far as getting through this particular lesson, try to get away from the music as soon as you can.... try to think through it rather than memorize it note-for-note. It'll develop your ear and a skill of listening to yourself.   When I taught theatre organ, I taught voice-leading via common tone, registering according to the form of the song, use of swell pedals to "swell" a musical idea.   Something to try: Harmonize a scale, any scale. OK, harmonize the C Major Scale. Normally, we would think C G7 C F C F G7 C for each of the 8 tones. Try using something different.... especially use minor chords, diminished chords. (Those of you with music degrees or a strong knowledge of music theory and know what I'm getting at, HUSH... the discovery is a great one for theatre-organists, for it can be the beginning of reharmonizations and learning to think chordally.)   Teaching theatre-organ isn't much different from teaching classical organ improvisation, when it comes down to it.... just different terminology and a different route.   --Shirley     *IMNSHO = In My Not-So-Humble Opinion.... a commonly used phrase such as LOL (laughing out loud) and ROFL (rolling on floor, laughing). IMHO is In My Humble Opinion, and IMO is In My Opinion.  
(back) Subject: Re: Question on CD Maintenance From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:43:07   Could these be pirated copies somehow? (No, not by Vernon and Karl, but by whoever packaged them.)   Just a thought....   And yeah, I have one too.... it's also an el cheapo.   --Shirley       At 14:26 02/17/98 EST, you wrote: >When Vernon gets the answer to his problem CD ( he requested private >replies ) I hope he will enlighten the List. I have a CD which plays the >same as Vernon described and, as it is an "el cheapo" I just figured it >was a very bad recording that should have never been released. > >Karl    
(back) Subject: Re: Dedication Recital & comments From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:43:28 -0800   > >And the recitalist was........? (Claremont UCC recital) > > The Church organist, Dr. Carey Robertson   >>Ah! Thanks for the info. Never heard of him/her. Youthful person, I'm >>guessing, just getting a career going?   My guess is early 40's - she has a 14-year-old son. She has studied with David Britton, Cherry Rhodes and Ladd Thomas to name a few. **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher. From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:28:05 -0500   >final verse: melody with feet and block chords >on the manuals....only move chromatically >between chords. Is this normal??   Of course it's not normal, you're playing the organ. And be thankful for your psychoceramic relationship ship with your teacher. He is just preparing you for the great moment, the pinnacle of your career...... modulating into.... THE DOXOLOGY!!!   The trip to the Nut House on the Rock sounds great. It'll be just what we need after being all sombre during Lent. Every time I think of band organs I remember the one at the Alpenrose Dairy in Portlant OR that the OHS visited last summer. The attendant turned it on and it played through the march perfectly until the repeat. The drums came in but didn't seem to any relation to the other music playing. It was like have some guy on a bender in the back trying to escape from a box of drums. Coool! Keep us posted on the schedule. Maybe we could call it "PipeJam 98". I'd love to see the tile-covered Lincoln Continental.... don't they have one of those at Graceland??? Oh no! that would be covered with linoleum!   Molatahthanksforitinbi!   bc   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: My Organ Teacher. From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:58:05 -0800   At 15:41 2/17/98, you wrote: >Something to try: Harmonize a scale, any scale. OK, harmonize the C Major >Scale. Normally, we would think C G7 C F C F G7 C for each of the 8 tones. > Try using something different.... especially use minor chords, diminished >chords.   When I was studying piano, my teacher would have me play chromatic scales with one, the other, or both hands, in different keys, ascending or decending, and different chords/inversions. It was a wonderful exercise, and got me used to playing chords with either hand, leaving the other free for melody/counterpoint.     Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: Question on CD Maintenance From: Ron Yost <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:06:14 -0800   At 03:43 7:24 PM 2/17/98, you wrote: >Could these be pirated copies somehow? (No, not by Vernon and Karl, but by >whoever packaged them.) > >Just a thought.... > >And yeah, I have one too.... it's also an el cheapo. > > --Shirley   Hi Kids!   What color is the 'bottom' side of the CD?? If it's not *silver*, it was prob. 'home made' on a home CD-Recorder (I just got one .. fun! :)   The track-side (bottom - opposite the label) will probably be green or gold if it's a CD-R disk.   This does NOT necessarily indicate a pirate disk, however. It could be that it was a very limited run.   CD-R's can be very fussy, and the surface of the CD-R disk is VERY fragile .. at least I've found them so. They will not withstand the 'abuse' one can get away with on a commercial CD. Some call CD-R's 'toasters' ... and they do produce a few 'coasters' on the way up the learning curve! :)   Anyhow, I'd be happy to try reading the faulty disk and, if possible, make more copies ... assuming, of course, that there are no copyright infringements involved!!! :) If the T.O.C. (Table of Contents) on the disk is shot, well, there isn't too much possibility of recovery. :(   Ron Yost, Paso Robles, Calif.  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher. From: Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:45:53 -2   In answer to your questions, John: Yes AND Yes! Good luck!!!   -- Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Noel Memorial UMC,Shreveport, LA Team Amiga      
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:39:49 -0600   bruce cornely wrote: > > Kevin, > Perhaps you should switch to some heavy metal, hard rock or whatever, > with dish-rattling bass to let her know what a great son she "had". > heh heh > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o   Yeah, my exchange student is gone to Florida for the week, so I might dig through some of his CD's and see what I could rattle the walls with. But, I have to admit, my organ recordings have dish-rattling bass too.   Maybe I should blast that PUTRID "Beavis and Butthead do America" soundtrack that resides in the Brasil room (my exchange student's bedroom).   For now,   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:45:02 -0600   Richard Wolf wrote: > > There must be something about women > and organs in general. My wife always complained that I was playing to > loud and rattling all the dishes and windows with my pipe organ. Same > when I played the stereo. If I was playing in public, my mother > would sit as far away from the organ as possible. > > Oh Well! > Dick   My grandmother likes to come to town for private recitals. Being a member of the Church of Christ, she doesn't hear anything but the radio (and the police scanner, she's nosy) most of the time, so whe likes to hear something different every now and then. One time I finished in time to look back and see her bounding for the front pew...she hasn't been back since.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Can someone help this lady? From: DaveW10140@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:10:49 EST     Carol sent me this email and when I suggested putting it on the list, she said go ahead, I am sure someone out there is interested in a Wurly. I would suggest replying to her address privately that she lists at the end of her message.   Hello-   I am interested in selling an organ we have had for a long time. It is a Wurlitzer Model #4026 with Orbit II Synthesizer. It is in excellent shape - nobody really used it. Do you have a resale price for this item?   Thanks for your help!   Carol Monaghan 2225 Ridgecroft SE Grand Rapids, MI 49546   (616) 942-6923   monaghan@mail.iserv.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:11:03 -0600   Shirley wrote: > > At 12:58 02/16/98 -0500, Bruce Cornely wrote: > >Just a question for those whose relatives complain about organ music at > >home..... do you every play anything quiet? > > .... or ever hear of headphones????? Kevin, you need a portable CD player! :) > > --Shirley   I have sensitive ears, so I hate headphones. I can't get a portable record player, and I really hate compromising for other people when they get their way all the time anyway. Even though some of these people keep us alive, shouldn't they let me do SOMETHING I want every now and then. It takes an act of God just to get a ride to church to practice!   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.) From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:13:57 -0600   Richard Wolf wrote: > > No insult intended > That's why I said "in general." > More POWER to you and happy sfz. > > Dick   Ever heard of a ten rank organ with TWO oversized blowers that sags when you hit sfz? I played at a church that did once. No, I did turn it (sfz) on, it was off beforehand. There was an indicator light.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:27:21 -0600   Richard Wolf wrote: > > In reference to the firearm: It's quick way to stop a cipher. ....and the organ. It could also stop your job, your reputation, etc... I might sound harsh because I am. We found a new technician at the site of duct tape on a windline.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: A Mander Expander! - X-Posted From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:30:49 EST   Well, something like that!   There are three additions to our Website which will be of great interest to many on this list. 1) There are photographs, an endless stoplist, and a history of the organ in Birmingham Town Hall (NOT Alabama), the organ made famous by many years of weekly recitals by Sir George Thalben-Ball, a tradition now carried on with equal panache by Thomas Trotter. 2) For something completely different, there is now the organ at Pembroke College, Cambridge, based on English organbuilding practice of around 1700. This instrument is in the very first worship space designed by Sir Christopher Wren. 3) A page of small chamber and continuo organs, including a lovely new house organ built quite recently for a home near Princeton, New Jersey.   Please do drop in, and sign the guest book and tell us what you think!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler N. P. Mander, Ltd. - U. S. A. http://www.mander-organs.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce; House on Rock; My Organ Teacher. From: "O\R Fiol" <fiol@bway.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:15:58 -0600   Sounds like your theater organ teacher is on the right track with you. NOt only do I think his assignment is a good idea, but I'd love a recording of any results.   Orlando    
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.) From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:12:28 -0600   Kevin wrote: "Ever hear of a Ten rank organ......"   In away, I used to practice on an organ that was a 4/m reduced to a 2/m completely unenclosed with a very large number of ranks. I would practice for an hour or so and leave with a splitting headache. The rebuild was done by a famous builder that is noted for unenclosed organs.     Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 02:20:31 -0600   Ken writes re: technician....   Ah, Where would we be without the wonders and vesatility of duct tape? You can even use it to restrain the technician's hands and feet. I don't know why you would want to, but you could.   Dick  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:41:57 -0800   bruce cornely wrote: > > Mac Hayes said: > >the worst damage was done when I once fired > >a pistol that really did a job on my ears. > > Ahh! the sacrifices we make; but I'll bet that kid didn't talk during > rehearsal anymore!! <g>   Yeah, Bugs Bunny and I are not forgiving to disruptions in our performances (or rehearsals). I meant to add to a previous thread, that relatives can be among the worst offenders. I used to be asked to play when relatives came over, but as soon as I started playing, they started gossiping. I forget whether my "concerts" terminated after the second time I stopped and asked if they really wanted to hear me or not, or if they got the idea and stopped talking-- too many years ago.     -- Mac Hayes mach37@ptw.com Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.