PipeChat Digest #257 - Wednesday, February 18, 1998
 
Re: Question on CD Maintenance
  by Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Question on CD Maintenance
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
Concert: Feb 22 4pm Sacred Heart, Newark, NJ IV/154 Schantz
  by Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net>
Theater Pipe Organ Project
  by Dick Beery <dbeery@rbbsystems.com>
Re: Can someone help this lady?
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Reluctant audiences (Was Re: Listening to the organ)
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Thanks!
  by Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net>
Re: Reluctant audiences
  by Kenneth O. Woods <kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil>
Re: Theater Pipe Organ Project
  by Emutek Systems, Inc. <sales@emutek.com>
Re: Lenten Postlude
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: Lenten Postlude
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Lenten Postlude
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Vienna Boys Choir
  by Jillian K. Schultheis <organgeek@geocities.com>
Re: Lenten Postlude
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.)
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: Listening to the organ
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Question on CD Maintenance From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:13:40 -0500 (EST)   On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Ron Yost wrote: > At 03:43 7:24 PM 2/17/98, you wrote: > >Could these be pirated copies somehow? (No, not by Vernon and Karl, but by > >whoever packaged them.) > >Just a thought.... > >And yeah, I have one too.... it's also an el cheapo. > What color is the 'bottom' side of the CD?? If it's not *silver*, it was > prob. > 'home made' on a home CD-Recorder (I just got one .. fun! :)   I just got one as well. :)   I doubt that a store-bought CD was burned -- even limited runs tend to be pressed instead of burned. I can't be sure, but I wonder if the problems here are just cheap CD's that perhaps were exposed to heat or something and have begun separating. A CD is basically a sandwich. The top is printed or has a label. Under that is a layer of plastic, then a reflective surface (usually aluminium) and then another coating of polyethylene. (Incidentally, a cd-writable disk is exactly the same thing except that it has a layer of dye over the reflective surface -- instead of pressing the pits into the CD like they do commercially a CD writer burns away the dye, which is why they are more sensitive than regular CDs. They still are supposed to last 10-20 years, though.) So, I wonder if the problems with all of your CD's is that they are beginning to peel apart slightly. Depending on how bad it is it may or may not affect the disk, because data on a CD goes from the inside out.   More than you ever wanted to know about CDs, -Adam      
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:19:23 -0500   I had a friend who was a concert pianist who would go to parties and, when asked to play would sit at the piano and begin to play; when the first word was spoken he would get up, grab his drink and go to another room. Another friend, who was a professional lounge entertainer (and church organist!) would, when asked to play at parties, respond, "it will cost you." This was usually tossed off with laughter and the request again made for him to play. He would sit at the piano and entertain people for the entire evening. As he left the party he would thank the host for a lovely evening and present him/her with a bill for the entertainment services (which, I'm told, was substantial). I had a piano student at one time who learned the first sixteen or bars of five or six classical pieces, and when she was asked to play at her parties she would dash through what she knew, then stop and say, "oh well, that's enough of that!" and giggle and continue being the perfect hostess. Everyone thought she was a wonderful performer.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Question on CD Maintenance From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:28:43 -0500   Re: CDs that don't play properly.   From time to time we receive CDs that "skip", "wobble", mis-cue tracks, - you name it. I always play over any new classical CD that arrives in the radio station before I ever use them on air.   I have always sent back any faulty CDs, and the supplier has always exchanged them. Sometimes the new one is as bad, - then it is assumed that there has been a bad batch.   We use Marantz Professional CD players, which seem to be sensitive to the slightest fault, - we used to have Teac professional CD players, and they were the same. CDs that would play on my own players at home sometimes will not play on our players in the radio station.   All the comments from listers are valid, although in a new CD, I would not expect to find the layers separating, - I think that it is a case of a lack of Quality Control on the part of the manufacturer. The smaller companies are generally far better in this manner than some of the bigger companies. I will not name names, but in my experience, I have found that CDs from a small label are always more reliable.   The Bottom Line is: Send any bad CDs back!   Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Classics Director and Organic DeeJay CFRC-FM 101.9 MHz Radio Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, K7L 3N6 CANADA    
(back) Subject: Concert: Feb 22 4pm Sacred Heart, Newark, NJ IV/154 Schantz From: Adam Levin <alevin@advance.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:46:27 -0500 (EST)     Ok, I think I got most of the important info in the short form in the subject. :)   Here's the detail: Posted by: Adam Levin(alevin@advance.net) Date: February 22, 1998 Time: 04:00PM Country: US State: NJ Region: City: Newark Zipcode: 07104 Performer: The Ridgewood Concert Band Venue: Cathedral Basilica of the Sacred Heart Cost: $10.00 suggested donation Comments: A Sonic Spectacular: Music for Band and Organ -- The Ridgewood Concert Band, directed by Christian Wilhjelm, returns to join Organist David Fedor in program of music by Elgar, Strauss, Weinberger, and others. Of the 1994 concert, Paul Somers sa id: '(They)....performed with intonation and spirit of the highest level; ...(band and organ)...teamed up for a sonic spectacular that left the audience literally shaking in its seats!' For more information or directions, call (973)484-4600      
(back) Subject: Theater Pipe Organ Project From: Dick Beery <dbeery@rbbsystems.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:49:20 -0500   Greetings.   Just joined this list yesterday so am a real newbie here. However have b= een on PIPORG-L and MMD for several years. People on those lists encouraged me t= o join and post here about my theater pipe organ project so here I am. For thos= e of you who have seen the following on other lists....just skip this. TIA to= all who can help me.   The main reason for posting the=A0following is my desire to learn more=A0= about the various roll players available=A0for pipe organs along with locating an=A0appropriate player/players. Several people have asked me to post th= e=A0details on my pipe organ project. Therefore I am now ready to take the=A0plunge = and ask for help with my=A0residence theater organ .   I am=A0interested in the best approach to=A0winding, stop list recommendations,=A0relay suggestions and any overall=A0ideas. My final g= oal is to have a=A0theater organ that is Midi compatible=A0and will also play sever= al types of=A0player rolls(ideas and suggestions are=A0also appreciated in this ar= ea). I am=A0currently a member of ATOS and have a=A0copy of the Shop Notes which= I am=A0reading. My background is in electrical=A0engineering and I have be= en rebuilding=A0player pianos for the past 20 years and=A0have been running = my own 70 person=A0electronics firm for the past 25 years.   The organ is going to be installed in a=A0music room I have built for wor= king on=A0and displaying my player pianos. The=A0room is separate from my hou= se and the=A0basic dimensions are 25' x 50'. In one=A0corner is a 15' x 10' gr= eenhouse for my=A0wife's gardening needs. The greenhouse=A0is completely isolated= from having any=A0air exchange with music area, but there=A0are lots of windo= ws so you can enjoy the=A0plants while listening to the music. A=A020' x 25' work= shop is divided off of one=A0end of the building. This leaves an L=A0shaped area= that is 30' x 15' x 14' with=A02 different sloped ceilings. There is=A0also a ba= lcony area above the workshop=A0that looks over the music area. My goal=A0is to ins= tall the pipe in the attic and=A0balcony areas. It should also be noted=A0that th= e sloped ceilings have two=A0different heights( 17' and 12'). I am=A0not sure how= the acoustics will work out=A0but it should be a fairly live room. =A0 The organ is as follows:=A0=A0   "Three Oaks "Theater Pipe Organ=A0 (18 Ranks) =A0=A0 The original instrument is an EM Skinner=A0opus 492 with 9 ranks all on 5= " wind: =A0 Diapason 8' 73 n (leather lip) =A0 Flute 16' 85 n (melodia/concert flute) =A0 Flugel Horn 8'=A0 Vox Humana 8' (very large scale=A0resonators) =A0 Salicional 8' 73 n=A0 Viol Celeste 8' 73 n=A0 Tibia Clausa 16' 97 n=A0 Oboe 8'=A0 Harmonic Flute 4' =A0 Metal Harp=A0 Total: 9 ranks plus Harp   Additions to above: =A0Hilgren/Lane:Gottfried: =A0 Orchestral Oboe 8' =A0 VDO 8' Large Scale=A0 Rohr Flute 4' =A0 French Horn 8'=A0 Flautina 2'=A0 Chimes 20 n Total: 5 ranks plus Chimes   =A0Midmer-Losh: =A0 Cornopean 8' (sounds like style D=A0trumpet) =A0 Clarinet 8'=A0 Total: 2 ranks   Austin:=A0 Trumpet 8'=A0 Total: 1 rank=A0 =A0 Unknown:=A0 Kinura=A0 Total: 1 rank=A0   Total Ranks 18   =A0Percussion: =A0=A0 Wurlitzer: =A0 Xylophone=A0 Chrysoglot (large scale) =A0 Marimba =A0 Toy Counter Toys=A0plus chimes and harp from above.=A0   Console: 4 manual Marr & Coulton=A0=A0=A0   -- Dick Beery President RBB Systems, Inc. 330-567-2906 Fax 330-567-3925 http://www.rbbsystems.com dbeery@rbbsystems.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Can someone help this lady? From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:22:19   Maybe she should list it in the to-sell section of http://www.theatreorgans.com/ ...   _____________________     At 22:10 02/17/98 EST, you wrote: > >Carol sent me this email and when I suggested putting it on the list, she said >go ahead, I am sure someone out there is interested in a Wurly. I would >suggest replying to her address privately that she lists at the end of her >message. > >Hello- > >I am interested in selling an organ we have had for a long time.  
(back) Subject: Reluctant audiences (Was Re: Listening to the organ) From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:46:43   Mac Hayes commented:   > I meant to add to a previous thread, that >relatives can be among the worst offenders. I used to be asked to play >when relatives came over, but as soon as I started playing, they started >gossiping. I forget whether my "concerts" terminated after the second >time I stopped and asked if they really wanted to hear me or not, or if >they got the idea and stopped talking-- too many years ago.     Oh wow, is THIS familiar. I took piano lessons from the time I was 7 till I was about 13 (and then organ). My mother was notorious for asking me to sit down and play for company. Once I was on to her, I'd practice something beforehand so I'd have something to play. I tried up-tempo things, loud things, quiet ballads. Nothing worked. They talked through it all anyway. Once I saw the pattern, I brought it to my Mom's attention.... she saw it happen, and she never asked me again to play for company, specifically not for relatives. Phew!   Wondering if any of the teenagers on this list have run into anything like this, performing for the relatives who really couldn't care less if you do or don't.   Seems to me the same dynamic is at work when congregations won't listen to a Prelude.   An aside: The Philadelphia Presbytery met at our church yesterday. What a production! The meetings of the day attracted about 500 people, mostly pastors of Philadelphia-area churches. And at mid-day, they held a worship service. Our choir sang gloriously, about 3/4 of us there for the daytime service.   When we came into the sanctuary to begin, we were amazed to see (and hear!!!) all 500 delegates on their feet, talking at a louder decibel level than if they were in the social hall with a styrofoam cup of coffee in their hands. Glenn played the Bach St. Anne for the prelude. Did they sit down and respectfully *listen*? Nope... our pastor was furious, but there was nothing he could do to get their attention, since Glenn had already started.   I dunno.... I grew up learning to respect the House of God, ANY House of God.... I grew up learning respect for the people at the front who led the worship.... It always amazes me that pastors and representatives of churches can approach a sanctuary of a church with such disrespect. Sure, the sanctuary is like their office and they deal with the day-to-day functions of said office.... but I wonder how many of them have barrelled right past the "still small voice of God" in deference to the details of concrete, worldly expectations. Must they only be mindful of the Holy Spirit on Sundays?   What about us church organists? Do we approach the place that provides our paychecks with respect and a worshipful attitude?   Sorry.... this is way off-topic.... thanks for "listening".   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Thanks! From: Vernon Moeller <vernonm@ccsi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:53:19 -0600   Just wanted to say thanks to all the kind folk who offered me ideas on how to deal with a defective audio CD. The most popular suggestion involved getting the CD returned to the mfr; I'm not sure how many CD shops will allow me to exchange this defective CD for one which is OK, especially 'cuz I've already discarded the receipt for it; I keep receipts only until I'm satisfied that the item will not be exchanged. But, I'll give it a try anyway. Fortunately, one of my coworkers has the same CD, and she has offered to loan it to me so that I can make a copy of it on a cassette.   Thanks again - y'all done good!     \/\/\    
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: Bob Loesch <rrloesch@jps.net> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:59:09 -0800   At 23:41 2/17/98 -0800, Mac Hayes wrote: >Yeah, Bugs Bunny and I are not forgiving to disruptions in our >performances (or rehearsals). I meant to add to a previous thread, that >relatives can be among the worst offenders. I used to be asked to play >when relatives came over, but as soon as I started playing, they started >gossiping. I forget whether my "concerts" terminated after the second >time I stopped and asked if they really wanted to hear me or not, or if >they got the idea and stopped talking-- too many years ago.   When my family asked me to play, I enjoyed it, and took requests, etc. I guess that's why I ended up playing TO in a pizza place and others end up playing in church, etc.       Regards,   Bob        
(back) Subject: Re: Reluctant audiences From: kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil (Kenneth O. Woods) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 11:06:07 EST   > > Sorry.... this is way off-topic.... thanks for "listening". > > --Shirley I visited several churches last summer, purposely picking only those who had a pipe organ. I found most congregations were fairly attentative and especially so those who started the service with announcements by the minister who when finished with that invited the congregation to begin worship with the prelude. Our minister invites the congregation to get up and walk around during the prelude, at which point the prelude abruptly ends! -- Kenneth O. Woods kow987@dice.crane.navy.mil  
(back) Subject: Re: Theater Pipe Organ Project From: "Emutek Systems, Inc." <sales@emutek.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:39:10 -0000   Without wishing to be too forward, may I intriduce my company, Emutek Systems, Inc. We manufacture the Emutek Pipe Organ System which is a low cost, flexible, expandable pipe organ relay system.     Our Relay Systems is based on distributed processing. Rather than one large cpu controlling everything, each of our driver boards has it's own cpu. This means that you can hot plug any driver board and the system will keep on running. There are three board types in the systems= ..=20 Inputs boards have 128 inputs and the system supports 15 inputs boards.=20 The Controller board handles combinational memory and general house keeping. Your configuration generated using free PC based software is downloaded to the controller. The output boards have 128 driver pins (common positive or negative) with up to 255 driver boards per system. T= he price of each board if $245.00. A minimal system if one of each. Also, the system comes complete with PC programming software, free initial setu= p and all connectors. The system also has as standard, reiterate, pizicato= , sustenuto, transpose, indicator support, swell, crescendo, blind, reversible, bass/melody plus others.   Please email your address so that I may send you full details.   Please call if you have any questions and either me or Al, our resident organist.   Ulric Gordon-Lewis President.       ---------- > From: Dick Beery <dbeery@rbbsystems.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Theater Pipe Organ Project > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 2:49 PM >=20 > Greetings. >=20 > Just joined this list yesterday so am a real newbie here. However have been on > PIPORG-L and MMD for several years. People on those lists encouraged me to join > and post here about my theater pipe organ project so here I am. For those of > you who have seen the following on other lists....just skip this. TIA = to all > who can help me. >=20 > The main reason for posting the=A0following is my desire to learn more about the > various roll players available=A0for pipe organs along with locating > an=A0appropriate player/players. Several people have asked me to post = the details > on my pipe organ project. Therefore I am now ready to take the=A0plung= e and ask > for help with my=A0residence theater organ . >=20 > I am=A0interested in the best approach to=A0winding, stop list > recommendations,=A0relay suggestions and any overall=A0ideas. My final= goal is to > have a=A0theater organ that is Midi compatible=A0and will also play sev= eral types > of=A0player rolls(ideas and suggestions are=A0also appreciated in this = area). I > am=A0currently a member of ATOS and have a=A0copy of the Shop Notes whi= ch I > am=A0reading. My background is in electrical=A0engineering and I have = been > rebuilding=A0player pianos for the past 20 years and=A0have been runnin= g my own 70 > person=A0electronics firm for the past 25 years. >=20 > The organ is going to be installed in a=A0music room I have built for working > on=A0and displaying my player pianos. The=A0room is separate from my h= ouse and > the=A0basic dimensions are 25' x 50'. In one=A0corner is a 15' x 10' greenhouse > for my=A0wife's gardening needs. The greenhouse=A0is completely isolat= ed from > having any=A0air exchange with music area, but there=A0are lots of win= dows so you > can enjoy the=A0plants while listening to the music. A=A020' x 25' wo= rkshop is > divided off of one=A0end of the building. This leaves an L=A0shaped ar= ea that is > 30' x 15' x 14' with=A02 different sloped ceilings. There is=A0also a balcony area > above the workshop=A0that looks over the music area. My goal=A0is to i= nstall the > pipe in the attic and=A0balcony areas. It should also be noted=A0that = the sloped > ceilings have two=A0different heights( 17' and 12'). I am=A0not sure h= ow the > acoustics will work out=A0but it should be a fairly live room. > =A0 > The organ is as follows:=A0=A0 >=20 > "Three Oaks "Theater Pipe Organ=A0 (18 Ranks) > =A0=A0 > The original instrument is an EM Skinner=A0opus 492 with 9 ranks all on= 5" wind: > =A0 Diapason 8' 73 n (leather lip) > =A0 Flute 16' 85 n (melodia/concert flute) > =A0 Flugel Horn 8'=A0 Vox Humana 8' (very large scale=A0resonators) > =A0 Salicional 8' 73 n=A0 > Viol Celeste 8' 73 n=A0 > Tibia Clausa 16' 97 n=A0 > Oboe 8'=A0 Harmonic Flute 4' > =A0 Metal Harp=A0 > Total: 9 ranks plus Harp >=20 > Additions to above: > =A0Hilgren/Lane:Gottfried: > =A0 Orchestral Oboe 8' > =A0 VDO 8' Large Scale=A0 > Rohr Flute 4' > =A0 French Horn 8'=A0 > Flautina 2'=A0 > Chimes 20 n > Total: 5 ranks plus Chimes >=20 > =A0Midmer-Losh: > =A0 Cornopean 8' (sounds like style D=A0trumpet) > =A0 Clarinet 8'=A0 > Total: 2 ranks >=20 > Austin:=A0 > Trumpet 8'=A0 > Total: 1 rank=A0 > =A0 > Unknown:=A0 > Kinura=A0 > Total: 1 rank=A0 >=20 > Total Ranks 18 >=20 > =A0Percussion: > =A0=A0 Wurlitzer: > =A0 Xylophone=A0 > Chrysoglot (large scale) > =A0 Marimba > =A0 Toy Counter > Toys=A0plus chimes and harp from above.=A0 >=20 > Console: 4 manual Marr & Coulton=A0=A0=A0 >=20 > -- > Dick Beery > President > RBB Systems, Inc. > 330-567-2906 > Fax 330-567-3925 > http://www.rbbsystems.com > dbeery@rbbsystems.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20  
(back) Subject: Re: Lenten Postlude From: ManderUSA@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:50:44 EST   In a message dated 98-02-16 13:41:16 EST, Shirley writes:   << Looking for a relatively easy organ postlude appropriate for the first Sunday in Lent. Any ideas? >>   Well, it's just pure music, without anything specifically Lenten about it, but from the "Eight Little Preludes & Fugues" of whomever, the E Minor, both the prelude and the fugue, convey to me something of a Lenten solemnity with considerable nobility. I really like that piece, so much so that I probably wrote it in some earlier life. Can anyone prove me wrong? I'm really the W in BWV - Bedauerlich Wechsler Verke!   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler N. P. Mander, Ltd. - U. S. A. http://www.mander-organs.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Lenten Postlude From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:14:52 -0500   Well, since J.S. Bach definitely did not write those Eight Little Preludes and Fugues, maybe you did!! One guess as to what I'm planning to play on March 8??  
(back) Subject: Re: Lenten Postlude From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:10:05 -0600 (CST)   At 12:50 PM 2/18/98 EST, Malcolm Wechsler wrote:   >Well, it's just pure music, without anything specifically Lenten about it, but >from the >"Eight Little Preludes & Fugues" of whomever, the E Minor, both the prelude >and the fugue, convey to me something of a Lenten solemnity with considerable >nobility. I really like that piece, so much so that I probably wrote it in >some earlier life. Can anyone prove me wrong?   Well, there are some who would say that you are as likely to have written it as Bach :-) Seriously, though, it is a pity that the Eight Little Preludes and Fugues get such a little airing these days. Perhaps it is because they are now considered "Attrib. J. S. Bach" rather than actually composed by him. They are, nevertheless, a godsend to people like me who are not technically accomplished. "Nobility" is a good word to apply to the E minor, and I have personally found it also ideally suited to funerals, where I have used it on a number of occasions. Unlike a lot of stuff it is neither too upbeat, nor too doleful.   John.      
(back) Subject: Vienna Boys Choir From: "Jillian K. Schultheis" <organgeek@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:08:23 -0500   List,   I am a bit hyper today because last night I saw the Vienna Boys Choir for the first time. I loved it! They sang a lot of peices I really enjoy, they also preformed an operetta about a goose (can't remember the name). Anyway, just wanted to share that with you all.   :), Jill  
(back) Subject: Re: Lenten Postlude From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:27:24 -0500   Last year George Bozeman played the entire book of "Eight Little Preludes and Fugues" of a new edition, with baroque fingering, at the dedication recital of his restoration of the George Stevens tracker in Rindge NH, they were delightful and so is the organ.  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ (used to be Re: The organ on the WWW.) From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:55:02 -0600   Does anyone know the pipe organ Ken Griffin used to make his record. I have a tape of that record from a friend. [roller rink organist] The record jacket didn't give any specifics. I think it may be safe to assume that it was the WurliTzer in the Aurora Paramount. Of interest is my friend owns a white mother- of- pearl Hammond that Griffin played from time to time. You can't recognize Griffin's usual style on this recording. He's pretty good.   Dick    
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to the organ From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:21:12 -0600   I'm sure he can't afford to do it right because he's still paying off that airplane he flies to town in. I don't know how big it is, but he brings his full-size pickup truck with him...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com   Richard Wolf wrote: > > Ken writes re: technician.... > > Ah, Where would we be without the wonders and vesatility of duct tape? > You can even use it to restrain the technician's > hands and feet. I don't know why you would want to, but you could. > > Dick