PipeChat Digest #266 - Monday, February 23, 1998
 
Re:  Lenten Prelude
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador"
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Airport codes
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Hymns
  by Ruth  Bird <theraven@istar.ca>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net>
Recital
  by Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com>
music in odd places
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
wonderful (campy) old hymns
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: I Sing a Song (was Re: Lenten Prelude)
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Hymn
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by <Bill6827@aol.com>
Re: Hymns
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com>
Music Choice
  by karencl@worldnet.att.net <karencl@worldnet.att.net>
Re: JUST BE GLAD YOU CAN PLAY, DARN IT!!!
  by Jason D. Comet <bombarde8@juno.com>
Re: Music Choice
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: JUST BE GLAD YOU CAN PLAY, DARN IT!!!
  by Richard Wolf <floww@webtv.net>
Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador"
  by Edward Peterson <epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com>
Re: Music Choice
  by Owen Jones <owenj@dynamite.com.au>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Lenten Prelude From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:30:11 -0500   I understand from my three former choirboy sons that the line in "I Sing a Song" gets twisted to a "fierce wild priest" when they sing it in church! John Speller, what is the story of the grandfather and the bear?  
(back) Subject: Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador" From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:34:37 -0500   Re "another disturbed organist" and lost subtlety   OK, OK E/ I got it, I got it.... ya don't have ta smak this guy on the head! hehehe   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Airport codes From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:47:19 -0500   Thanks for the info Michael. Somehow I'll find a use for these. I remember when I first moved to Gainesville, there was an item on the news that a plane couldn't land because there were cows on the runway! Too bad there aren't some airports with nice organs in them. They generally have such good acoustics.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Hymns From: Ruth Bird <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:03:17 -0500   I think the hymn that I am thinking about peace be still is actually a song called "sweet and low" that we have in our hymn book . Sorry I got confused (sometimes I do that :(). But the song called Master the tempest is raging". That hymn I play often. It has a beautiful melody and also beautiful words.   Ruth (Just too quick with that carriage return button)    
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: Otto Pebworth <opebwrth@gte.net> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:09:35 -0500   Kevin M. Simons wrote: >   > > Anybody remember the name of the hymn? We used to sing it all the time, > but I haven't done it in awhile. >     ---> "Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing"  
(back) Subject: Recital From: Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:20:25 -2   Sunday, Feb. 22, 1998 St. Mark's Cathedral, Shreveport, LA   The O'Ferrall Memorial Concert celebrating the 50th Season of the St. Mark's Great Masterpiece Series   Recital by William C. Teague, Organist and Choirmaster Emeritus   Introduction, Passacaglia and Fugue - Healey Willan   Sheep May Safely Graze - J. S. Bach   Toccata in F Major - J. S. Bach   Hymn Sonata - Ronald Arnatt II. Meditation and Pastorale III. Scherzo   Sonata on the 94th Psalm - Julius Reubke   Aeolian-Skinner Organ Op. 1308, 1957 4/108   This was playing of symphonic proportions and great depth, played to a packed cathedral.   Next recital in the series: April 17. 1998 - Oliver Latry, Notre Dame, Paris   -- Robert Ehrhardt <ehr@softdisk.com> Noel Memorial UMC,Shreveport, LA Team Amiga      
(back) Subject: music in odd places From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:22:16 -0500   One of my favorite commercial surprises was an ad for a lumber company in which the narrator is talking about how they work to include conservation in their practices, meanwhile in the background is playing the hymntune "Slane" -- Be thou my vision. What a subliminal message, quietly saying "we're a great company, we go to church".   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: wonderful (campy) old hymns From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:29:12 -0500   But Ken, You can't have a decent funeral without "Golden Harps Are Sounding" (359 in the REAL Episcopal Hymnal). A wonderful text screwed on to an Arthur Sullivan Sunday School street parade song. It just don't get any better'n this!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: I Sing a Song (was Re: Lenten Prelude) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:33:52 -0500   And, if your doing saint-songs you can't leave out Percy Dearmer's "Remember All the People" ("Some work in sultry forests Where apes swing to and fro...." was always a favorite Charade title at choir parties). Hymnals certainly have gotten booooooooooring!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:36:18 -0500   "Come, thou found of every blessing", and the Methodists in their constant quest to remove thinking from worship have substituted something innocuous in its place. (grrrrr)   PS to Kevin: I assume that you now know what an Ebenezer is... right!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:42:16 -0500   Frank, Hymns like "Peace, Be Still" are the reason I used to go to the Baptist church on Sunday night.... just to sing, and sing, and sing all those glorious old gospel hymns. When I was a Presbyterian child Jacksonville FL was a big Navy town and 1st Presbyterian Church downtown had first Sunday Service Men's dinners (with FRIED CHICKEN!!!). While we were standing in line we would sing all those goodies out of the Upper Room Hymnal with all the grannies squealing the descant to "Living For Jesus" at the top of their lungs. Not only do I still love those hymns, but to this day when I hear one I GET HUNGRY for fried chicken. Thanks for the trip down mem'ry lane!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: Bill6827@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:48:13 EST   It's----Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing!!  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:50:54 -0500   When I lived close to New Orleans LA, I used to enjoy going to the French Quarter very late at night (actually very early in the morning), grabbing a cup of coffee and a bignet and going up to the Moon Walk at the river and getting to hear a wonderful Black woman singing spirituals a-capella; she often sang "Sweet and Low". I think "Precious Lord, Take My Hand" was one of her favorites. Man, when she got wound up she could cause traffic jams with the ships in the river!!!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: Mac Hayes <mach37@ptw.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:10:14 -0800   Kevin M. Simons wrote: > ... > but in the text somewhere was the phrase "Now I raise my Ebeneezer".     It's dirty work but somebody has to do it; I went to the dictionary to find the meaning of this expression (for some odd reason I thought it had to do with a container of wine).   According to Webster's Third (unabridged), "...a commemoration of divine assistance..." re "...God's help to the Israelites in their victory over the Philistines at Mizpah..." The dictionary quotes Robert Robinson's poem, which is the text for the (organic content/relationship) hymn "Come Thou Fount."   And what is "ebenezer?" The stone set up by Samuel in commemoration (see above). It doesn't say why the name is not always capitalized.     -- Mac Hayes mach37@ptw.com Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.    
(back) Subject: Music Choice From: "karencl@worldnet.att.net" <karencl@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:09:31 -0800   Jonathan Orwig wrote: In addition, many of us play stuff that is > only palatable to other organists. As dear as the 20th century stuff is > to some of our hearts, as much as those composers were and are geniuses, > MOST CHURCH PEOPLE COULDN'T GIVE A FLYING RIP! I only developed a taste > for the tonally astringent Messian, Guillou, Alain, etc. after PLAYING > some of it or repeated listening. Some of it is still not my favorite > genre, but I can appreciate it better now.   Friends, I learned many years ago that many pieces of music come to be appreciated by repeated listening. There are many musical selections that I have come to love and treasure. But in selecting music for service playing, my rule of thumb is this: If I don't like it the first time I hear it, then curtains for it. The congregation is only going to hear it once (every year or so). Do you folks agree or not? There's certainly such a thing as educating a congregation, but you can't do the same piece over and over..... or can you? Many years ago we would introduce new hymns by having a Hymn of the Month. Sang it every Sunday for a month. Prelude of the Month, anyone??? Karen  
(back) Subject: Re: JUST BE GLAD YOU CAN PLAY, DARN IT!!! From: bombarde8@juno.com (Jason D. Comet) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:09:34 -0500   >I've noticed that more and more people have little or no knowledge of >music, >having learned everything they know from watching MTV or listening to >CDs. > >I lose more friends because they are sharply critical of my "strange" >interest >in theatre organ music and yet the only reason they can give for their >interest in certain popular music is due to an artist's latest video >on VH1, >or their "look" or what radio station their music gets played on. The >assumption is that if it gets played on VH1's prime time alternative >music >show it must be good. ********************************* Where would today's music be if there had NEVER been any organ. OR Panpipes as the first insturments ever built and thought of????? ********************************* >What I've noticed that is that we are increasingly living in an era >where >people are becoming trained to be passive "listeners" and >"experiencers" who >are conditioned to hear only 2-minute songs or even shorter segments >as point- >and-click .wav files on the Internet. > >Is it no wonder that they can't hear a whole Sonata when a long song, >to them, >has more than four 64-beat verses in 4/4 time? > >When people grown up from infancy with such short attention spans, all >reinforced by a channel surfing remote-control mentality, is it any >wonder >that our kids get diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder and eat >Ritalin in >order concentrate on one textbook for a whole semester? > >My advice to all who feel insulted when people can't listen to them >for more >than a minute or two: > >Try to find the gift even in what feels like a negative. You have a >dual gift >of being able to both CREATE beautiful music AND appreciate it in its >entirety. Your audience cannot. Pity them. ************************************** I guess we could *accuse* these short attention spands to the "Easiness of Living" product they have out today. WeI can get along fine without these CD player, or automatic transmitions, or computers that work at the speed of light and make people inpatient when it comes to other things because they are use to having things appear in a matter of milli-seconds. Lazyness today is brought with RF remote controls that can turn a TV channel from next door when your not even around to see it. **************************************** >I am a firm believer that my musical abilites give me access to parts >of my >soul and my emotions that I could not get at any other way. Playing >piano or >theatre organ helps me access memories, deal with my past, feel my >emotions, >feel extreme joy, even cry. > >Without my emotions, which are an expression of my truest and highest >self, I >will die young. So pity the people who feel they need to block their >emotions >by taking pills, smoking cigarettes or ignoring or negating their own >God- >given musical skills. ********************************* I've been known to cry during a service during the prelude because it was SO beautiful and I had had a terible week and ended up thinking about it during ht eprelude and stopped playing and started to cry over my Great manual because I felt it was a great joy to have something so good happen to me for the first time in several weeks. ********************************* >When I look at the tragedies like this unfolding before me, I have a >hard time >listening to ongoing threads like the one trying to compare >electronics to >pipes (apples and oranges). At least the people are playing >SOMETHING!!! > >As a former trucker, I try to avoid looking down my nose at drivers >who >"cheat" themselves out of the raw experience of driving by spoiling >themselves >by: > >- using electric power windows instead of the hissy air-powered >window/guillotines found on big Peterbilts. > >- driving down a highway in "Drive" with automatic transmissions (as >opposed >to double-clutched, unsynchronized, 15-speed transmissions), or > >- missing out on valuable road-rage by pushing a little button on >their >steering wheel to activate a tinny horn instead of yanking on an >overhead cord >and sending 120 lbs. of compressed air through a five-tone, >Amtrak-style "Cm6" >trumpet air horn. > >Now THAT'S living folks!!!! *********************************** That's why I prefer standard transimission trucks and/or cars and tracker action organs. You feel in control of it and don't feel like you are doing nothing and fall asleep at teh wheel and have a major accident or sit during a service and have a pipe cipher on you and there is nothing you can do about it but thurn the organ off or go up to the pipe chambers and look for the pipe and do a 'pipe'ectomy until you can tear apart the chest and fix a diode or releather a pouch instead of reattaching a screw and your off again. *********************************** >Either way, the important thing is that we get out of the house and >away from >the TV sets and DRIVE, in much the same way that I turn on my 300-watt >LOWREY >and the 300-watt extension speaker and make my little cottage on a >sand dune >sound like the House on the Rock instead of sticking Lyn Larsen CDs in >my >stereo changer and calling myself a professional organist. ************************************* I know people who play any-kind of notes that sound good together when there is music in front of them and say that they know all there is to know about playing the organ. ************************************* >God isn't America AWESOME??? ************************************* YEAH!!!!!! *************************************   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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(back) Subject: Re: Music Choice From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:46:59 -0600   Karen you wrote:educating the congregation....   Congregations are an everchanging microcosum of tastes and dislikes. Suddenly a strange beast rears it's ugly head [ie. an uproar in a Polish church when I had the choir sing "O Christmas Tree" in German during a Christmas concert.] I'm sure now that many of the older people still had bad memories of WWII. Most of them could tolerate Bach, Franck. Pietro Yon, etc. I would never be able to play Prelude and Fugue for Glutious Maximus in D. Besides being uncomfortable to play, it would lead to a questionable tenure. Ever had a clergyman who loved to {out of a clear blue sky} decide to throw in an extra hymn or two during the sevice that no-one knew. Thank goodness for sight reading I guess the bottom line is that the congregation, clergy,choir, organist, et. al. have to educate each other.  
(back) Subject: Re: JUST BE GLAD YOU CAN PLAY, DARN IT!!! From: floww@webtv.net (Richard Wolf) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:52:01 -0600     10 (Yeah)  
(back) Subject: Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador" From: epeterso@madison.tdsnet.com (Edward Peterson) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 03:31:44 -0500   On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:34:37 -0500, cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) wrote:   >Re "another disturbed organist" and lost subtlety > >OK, OK E/ I got it, I got it.... ya don't have ta smak this guy on >the head! hehehe > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o   (we join "The List-Crimes Game", already in progress)   <Hyper-Bleet-O-Phone 8'> BLLLAAA-AAAAATT!!!!   MC: Sorry, Brucie.   Although you may *feel* guilty, we simply can't have the wrong people coming into the station house and confessing to every 'crime' that is committed on the List every time they get their threads all gnarled up.     Even though you've warbled 'Gladly the cross-eyed bear", there is insufficient evidence to hold you in this case and we're going to have to let you go.   But don't worry, we have a nice consolation prize for you ... Don Pardo, tell Bruce what he has won....   Don: Well, Bruce, we have a fine selection of Mama Libmann's Brooms, Mops, and other house cleaning equipment, as well as several cases of Lever Brothers fine toiletries - including an assortment of soaps and shampoos!   <The audiences cheers wildly>   MC: OK, audience, tell Bruce who the real guilty party is this time.   Audience (shouting in unison): "KEVIN" <wild applause and cheering>   MC: Say 'goodbye' to Bruce, audience..... <continued applause and noise>   <up organ music; segue to next contestant>   [fade-out - fade in]   Station Anncr: Join us again next time for more hilarious antics on "The List Crimes Game"......  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Choice From: Owen Jones <owenj@dynamite.com.au> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:06:48 +1100   I played organ for church services for over 30 years, and To get over the noise (chatter) I played louder, however, so did the noise! One lady said "Gee the organ was loud! " HA HA! I have decided to give that occupation away and just play theatre organ music at home on my rebuilt Conn-651/Sonic Creations organ. Cheers Owen   karencl@worldnet.att.net wrote:   > Jonathan Orwig wrote: > In addition, many of us play stuff that is > > only palatable to other organists. As dear as the 20th century stuff is > > to some of our hearts, as much as those composers were and are geniuses, > > MOST CHURCH PEOPLE COULDN'T GIVE A FLYING RIP! I only developed a taste > > for the tonally astringent Messian, Guillou, Alain, etc. after PLAYING > > some of it or repeated listening. Some of it is still not my favorite > > genre, but I can appreciate it better now. > > Friends, I learned many years ago that many pieces of music come to > be appreciated by repeated listening. There are many musical selections > that I have come to love and treasure. But in selecting music for > service playing, my rule of thumb is this: If I don't like it the first > time I hear it, then curtains for it. The congregation is only going > to hear it once (every year or so). > Do you folks agree or not? There's certainly such a thing as > educating a congregation, but you can't do the same piece over and > over..... or can you? Many years ago we would introduce new hymns by > having a Hymn of the Month. Sang it every Sunday for a month. > Prelude of the Month, anyone??? > Karen > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org