PipeChat Digest #268 - Monday, February 23, 1998
 
Re: Music Choice
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Theater Organ Recordings
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador"
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by Kevin M. Simons <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu>
Re: Airports & Acoustics
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
RE: Theater Organ Recordings
  by David J Neal <david@neal.u-net.com>
Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador"
  by Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Music Choice
  by Glenda <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by Alastair Disley <christie@theatreorgans.com>
Organs on Computerized Reference Programs
  by W. Scarboro <scarboro@digital.net>
Calvary Episcopal Church, Pittsburgh (specs/history)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Pipes to digital connector
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: I Sing a Song (was Re: Lenten Prelude)
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: I Sing a Song (was Re: Lenten Prelude)
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
ADMIN POSTING:  THANKS! + Content, Quoting, Procedures etc --  ALL READ
  by Dr. Peter G. Pocock <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com>
Re:  Airport Codes
  by Ken and Chris Potter <tracker@j51.com>
Re:  Airport Codes
  by Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca>
British Ceremonial Music
  by Kevin M. Simons <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu>
Re: ADMIN POSTING:  THANKS! + Content, Quoting, Procedures etc --	ALL REA
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re:  Airport Codes
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Re: Airport Codes
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: ADMIN POSTING:  THANKS! + Content, Quoting, Procedures etc -- ALL REA
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Music Choice From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:06:04 -0500   Karen, I have been a repetative renegade for years in regard to repeating voluntaries. How can people be expected to learn ANYTHING that they hear only once or twice a year. My previous congregation came to love Carillon de Westminster (Vierne) almost as much as I do, even to the point of after a few weeks asking when I would play it again or if I would play it on a specific Sunday because they were having guests that they wanted to have hear it. They also came to recognize other Bach pieces than T&F in d; a favorite was P&F in G which was often requested for wedding recessionals. The Franck a-minor was also another favorite to the point that when I played the trumpet solo section during communion, people would come ask when I was going to play the whole thing again; I also used the second half of it for funeral processions from the church. In my new position they are not used to having voluntaries so even listening is new. However, I have been told by several people that they are glad we are repeating hymns so that they have an opportunity to learn them. For instance, on Epiphany we sang (?) "Song of Thankfulness and Praise" and it was definately a non-knowner so I used it for the presentation hymn almost the entire season. They know it now, so we can sing "At the Lamb's High Feast" on Easter. Someone mentioned, I believe it was on Anglican-Music with regard to singing familiar carols, that we as musicians may be tired of them because, with rehearsals and practice, we may sing them fifty or more times each season in preparation for the congregation singing them once. It was a consideration I had not yet considered, even though I was already a repeater. Yeeeeeeeeeees, I confess: I'm a repeater!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Theater Organ Recordings From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:04:54 -0600   Regarding the recording(s) information...please post information. I'd like to have it too!!   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com     Dick Beery wrote: > > Greetings. > > First I am cross posting this to three different lists so my apologies if you > get multiple messages. My question is about theater organ recordings. Is there > a web site or published list of sources for such recordings? The main stream CD > houses seem to not have much available in this area. I know a lot of artists > tend to publish their own recordings which means a lot of different addresses. > Any information you might have would be greatly appreciated. Especially looking > for Walt Strony. > > -- > Dick Beery > President > RBB Systems, Inc. > 330-567-2906 > Fax 330-567-3925 > http://www.rbbsystems.com > dbeery@rbbsystems.com  
(back) Subject: Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador" From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:22:25 -0500   Ed..... !!!   I won BROOMS AND MOPS????   >uh, what are brooms and mops?   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: "Kevin M. Simons" <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:27:49 -0600   bruce cornely wrote: > > "Come, thou found of every blessing", and the Methodists in their > constant quest to remove thinking from worship have substituted > something innocuous in its place. (grrrrr) > > PS to Kevin: I assume that you now know what an Ebenezer is... right!   I have been given two stories. One is that an Ebenezer is a prayer, that seems to be the general consensus. However, I was also told that an Ebenezer was a stone that was placed in between two cities to mark their boundary. Any thoughts?   Kevin M. Simons Organist, St. Thomas More Catholic Church Norman, Oklahoma  
(back) Subject: Re: Airports & Acoustics From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:42:05 -0500   Interesting thread material..... There is a church in Galveston Texas (Moody Methodist, I think) which had padded everything in the sanctuary which, however, could not prevent their 3m Reuter from sounding silvery wonderful. The shockeroo was when you went to powder to nose and discovered marble surfaces and gorgeous acoustics in the "chapel du can!" I've been in so many churches with great acoustice in the narthex and stairwells, and zip in the nave.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: RE: Theater Organ Recordings From: David J Neal <david@neal.u-net.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:47:01 -0000   Try http://www.organ.co.uk   Local to me, but apparently sell across the world.   David   =================================== David J Neal, Wrexham, Wales, UK david@neal.u-net.com dneal@yale.ac.uk ===================================      
(back) Subject: Re: "Mr. Organ Ambassador" From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:02:04 -0500   bruce cornely wrote: > > Ed..... !!! > > I won BROOMS AND MOPS???? > > >uh, what are brooms and mops? > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o     Well...one is a bundle of long, stiff fibers or straws fastened to a long handle and is used for sweeping; the other consists of a bundle of loose rags, yarns, a sponge, etc. fastened to the end of a stick, as for washing or wiping floors.   /S  
(back) Subject: Re: Music Choice From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 05:18:53 -0800   To respond partially to Karen, I have been known to premiere a musical selection during prelude one week, and because no one listened, play it for communion the next Sunday (if appropriate for communion). That gives them two shots at it. I don't do that often, but what I play only seems relevant to two parishioners - no one else cares, including the priest. I could play the theme from "Jeopardy" and someone might say after the service, "That was lovely - what was it?"   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: Alastair Disley <christie@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:58:06 +0000   Mac Hayes said "And what is "ebenezer?" The stone set up by Samuel in commemoration (see above). It doesn't say why the name is not always capitalized."   Actually, I think about the time this hymn was written it referred to a flag of some sort, possibly behind which church parades used to be marched. But I can't remember where I got that bit of information from!   Al   -- ======================== http://al.home.ml.org/ ======================= I'm the Cookie Monster| Spam-free email welcome at al@mad.scientist.com and I want a shrubbery|acd105@york.ac.uk and christie@theatreorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Organs on Computerized Reference Programs From: " W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:01:57 -0500     There is a very fine program that has been out for years from Microsoft called "Musical Instruments." It has the organ seperated down by it self into its own family. The Organ family is the folllowing: Pipe Organ, Reed Organ, Electric Organ, and Electronic Organ. From there you can go into each one and learn about them. The musical examples from the Pipe organ are an excerpt from Widor's Toccata , a scale from 32' Fagotto to 1/4" Sifflote, a huge chord, a demonstration of the swell box, and an excerpt from Symphony 3 of S-S. Also there is a demonstration of Diapason, String, Trompette, Clarinet, and Oboe Pipes.   There are also two other interesting references in other organ sections. In the electric organ section it says that in the 1930's a group of people were unable to tell the difference between a Hammond and a $75,000 E.M. Skinner organ in Rockafeller Chaple at the U of Chicago. Were they deaf??? Not to many people know that there was a big court trial against the Hammond people because of their claims that a Hammond sounded just as good as a pipe organ. It went on for months. John Speller, could you add anything about this?   The other one in the electronic organ section tells about the Allen Organ Company as the inventor of the Electronic Organ. Mostly well done although I don't know if you can still buy it.   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro      
(back) Subject: Calvary Episcopal Church, Pittsburgh (specs/history) From: ScottFop@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:53:09 EST   The organ at CalvaryChurch was built originally in 1962 at the height of the organ reform movement in the United States. The design iuncluded complete ensemble structures throughout all divisions and virtually no stop extensions or borrowings. The use of 70% tin for all principal pipes and the attention to details of construction and voicing made the organ an example of the best building efforts at the time.   Great care was taken in the restoration of 1991 to keep the existing tonal qualities of the organ, in fact the main goal, from the tonal point of view, was to combine the freshness and brightness of the original with the warmth and breadth needed for symphonic and contemporary compositions and accompaniment of anthems and congregational singing.   All reed stops were completely rebuilt and wind chests were modified to operate at a slightly increased wind pressure, ensuring greater tuning stability and warmth of tone. Fifteen new stops were added to the original scheme, seven existing stops were relocated and the complete organ was carefully revoiced. Several new stops were added to increase color options including a high pressure "Trompette Royale" in the Great which joins the existing dramatic "Trompette en Chamade" in the Antiphonal division.   The console has been relocated to a more favorable position in the choir stalls and is moveable, allowing a recital audience to see the organist clearly. The console is equipped with the most recent solid state computerized memory controls alllowing hundreds of combinations of sound and color for the player.   SPECIFICATIONS:   +new stops or pipes 1991 *revoiced with new tongues and shallots **revoiced with new tongues   GRAND ORGUE (II- North Transcept) 16 Montre 16 Bourdon (extension)+ 8 Montre 8 Bourdon 8 Flute Harmonique+ 8 Violoncelle+ 4 Prestant 4 Flute a Cheminee 3-1/5 Grande Tierce+ 2-2/3 Quinte 2 Doublette+ V Cornet II-III Grande Fourniture (2-2/3')+ IV Fourniture (1-1/3') IV Cymbale (2/3') 16 Bombarde* 8 Trompette* 8 Trompette Royale (high pressure, hooded)+ 4 Clairon* Cloches (Chimes) Grand Orgue Unisson Muete   RECIT EXPRESSIF (III- South Transcept) 16 Bourdon Doux 8 Principal Etroit 8 Flute a Cheminee 8 Viole de Gambe 8 Viole Celeste (cc) 4 Octave 4 Flute Octaviante 2 Octavin IV Fourniture (2') IV Cymbale (1') 16 Bombarde (formerly 1/2 L, now F/L)* 8 Trompette* 8 Hautbois* 8 Voix Humaine* 4 Clairon* Tremblant Recit 16 Recit Unisson Muete Recit 4   CHOEUR EXPRESSIF (IV- North Transcept) 16 Quintaton (moved from Positif) 8 Cor de Nuit 8 Flute Conique 8' Flute Celeste (cc) 8 Salicional 8 Voix Celeste (gg)+ 4 Gemshorn 4 Flute Douce 2 Flute de Bois II Cornet (2-2/3') IV Petit Fourniture (1') 16 Basson** 8 Trompette Royale (Grande Orgue)+ 8 Cor Anglais** 4 Chalumeau a Cheminee** Tremblant Choeur 16 Choeur Unisson Muete Choeur 4 Cloches 8 Choir Pitch Diapason (36 pipes- in hall between church and choir house)   POSITIF (I- South Transcept) 16 Bourdon (previous 8', 1-12 new) 8 Montre 8 Flute a Cheminee+ 8 Flute Harmonique (moved from Grande Orgue) 8 Gambe 4 Prestant 4 Flute a Fuseau 2-2/3 Nazard 2 Doublette 1-3/5 Tierce 1-1/3 Larigot 1 Sifflet II Jeu de Clochette+ (2/3', 4/5') Fourniture (1') Cymbale (1/2') 16 Ranquette (former Pedal stop)+* 8 Trompette+ 8 Cromorne+ 4 Clairon (former Positif Trompette)* Clochettes (Zimbelstern) Positif Muete   ANTIPHONAL (Floating- Rear gallery) 8 Principal 8 Bourdon 4 Octave 2-2/3 Quinte 2 Octave IV Fourniture (1-1/3') IV Cymbale (2/3') 16 Bombarde* 8 Trompette en Chamade* 4 Clairon en Chamade*   PEDALE 32 Contrebasse (ext)+ 32 Soubasse (ext)+ 32 Quintaton (ext) <-----typical Phelps crap, probably THE only original 32 16 Contrebasse (wood)+ 16 Principal 16 Montre (Grande Orgue) 16 Soubasse 16 Quintaton 16 Bourdon (Grande Orgue) 8 Prestant 8 Flute Bouchee 4 Octave 4 Flute Ouverte 2 Flute a Cheminee IV Fourniture (4') IV Cymbale (1-1/3') 32 Contre Bombarde (ext)+ <---guess I was wrong about the 32' Quintaton 16 Bombarde+ 16 Basson (former Bombarde resonators)* 8 Trompette* 8 Chalumeau+ 4 Clairon* 4 Hautbois** Cloches Pedal Unisson Muete   ANTIPHONAL PEDALE 16 Principal 8 Octave 16 Bombarde (Manual)   COUPLERS Grande Orgue au Pedale Recit au Pedale 8,4 Choeur au Pedale 8,4 Positif au Pedale 8,4 Antiphonal au Pedale   Recit au Grande Orgue Positif au Grande Orgue Choeur au Grande Orgue 16,8,4 Antiphonal au Grande Orgue   Recit au Positif Choeur au Positif   Choeur au Recit 16,8,4   Antiphonal au Choeur   Clavier I-II Transfer     Speaking Stops: 106 Independent Stops: 97 Ranks: 138 Pipes: 7626  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipes to digital connector From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:00:28 EST   please send info kit: Richard Siegel 21005 W. Division Street Lockport, Il 60441   thank you  
(back) Subject: Re: I Sing a Song (was Re: Lenten Prelude) From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:04:33 +0000   ComposerTX@aol.com wrote:   > Lesbia Scott WAS a male. Careful about your assumptions!   I've swum the Tiber towards Canterbury, what do I care about assumptions anymore? : )   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: I Sing a Song (was Re: Lenten Prelude) From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:08:50 +0000   Jack R Hooton wrote:   > If she was a male, then how did she marry John Mortimer Scott, a naval > > officer, in 1917? After she married him, she had three children, for > whom > she wrote her "Everyday Hymns".   Ummmm.....don't ask, don't tell?   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: ADMIN POSTING: THANKS! + Content, Quoting, Procedures etc -- ALL READ From: "Dr. Peter G. Pocock" <pgpocock@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:19:51 -0800   Hi Everyone,   I received a note from one of our subscribers a few days ago which was entitled "Thanks!" I wanted to share it with you, because, although David and me provide the PipeChat service, it is all of you as subscribers that make the list what it is. The note says:   I just want to take a few minutes from your busy day to say THANK YOU VERY MUCH for providing this WONDERFUL forum for us to discuss the "King of Instruments" and other related topics. 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(back) Subject: Re: Airport Codes From: tracker@j51.com (Ken and Chris Potter) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:23:56 -0500   Michael Williamson writes:   > If memory serves me correct, that there was (and I'm not sure it is still >there) a pipe organ located in the chapel at New York's JFK airport. I was >speaking several years ago to an organ technician from Brooklyn who was >talking about this organ in the JFK chapel. Don't remember what it was or how >large it was, or if it is still there. Would be interested in finding out.   Actually there were three chapels - protestant, catholic and jewish. I have no idea what kinds of organs they had, prolly toast.   Many years ago when I was a student at Columbia, I had a friend named Peter Burbage who always had an astonishing array of part-time jobs at any given moment. One of these was an unofficial position as organist at Kennedy Airport! He had met of the chaplain of one of the three chapels there and was told that if he showed up on saturday mornings there was a good chance of getting to play multiple weddings. He took to going out there and playing cards with the chaplains (it takes 4 for bridge) thus completing their table. The chapels were a pretty new thing then and people would get married there on their way to their honeymoons. Every so often their game would be interrupted by a wedding request at one of the chapels and off he would go with the appropriate chaplain!. He actually cleaned up doing it.   This is the same friend who was playing for a Swedenborgian church on the east side and the minister replaced him with a tape system for playing their hymns along with the congregation - a new idea at that time. The ultimate insult was that after he was dismissed, they asked him if he would mind taping all the hymns for them. Needless to say.......     Ken   ============================================================================ Kenneth G. Potter, Minister of Music St. Peter's Episcopal Church, Westchester Square 914/358-2528 2500 Westchester Avenue, Bronx, NY 10461 tracker@j51.com ============================================================================                  
(back) Subject: Re: Airport Codes From: Bob Conway <conwayb@post.queensu.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:42:46 -0500   Ken,   I love it! What an opportunity to pull out all the stops! Something along the lines of "You can put your job where the monkey puts his nuts!"   Bob Conway.   Ken wrote: > >This is the same friend who was playing for a Swedenborgian church on the >east side and the minister replaced him with a tape system for playing >their hymns along with the congregation - a new idea at that time. The >ultimate insult was that after he was dismissed, they asked him if he would >mind taping all the hymns for them. Needless to say....... > > >Ken    
(back) Subject: British Ceremonial Music From: "Kevin M. Simons" <Kevin.M.Simons-1@ou.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:37:28 -0600   Howdy List,   I've got another favor to ask. This is on behalf of my teacher, Donald Williams and the American Chorale of Sacred Music, which he directs in Ann Arbor, MI.   We are planning to do the Handel Coronation Anthems in June this year. We're looking for other British ceremonial music (for weddings and coronations particularly) such as "I was Glad" and "The Old Hundredth Psalm Tune" by V. Williams. Either organ pieces (we've thought about Crown Imperial) or Choral would be great.   Along this same line, I would like to find a good arrangement of "Land of Hope and Glory" by Elgar. If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciate it. Please feel free to e-mail me privately.   Kevin M. Simons Organist, St. Thomas More Catholic Church Norman, Oklahoma  
(back) Subject: Re: ADMIN POSTING: THANKS! + Content, Quoting, Procedures etc -- ALL READ From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:07:03 -0500   In addition to the subscriber's appreciation for the approved content of this list for which I too am very very grateful, I would also like to thank the list owners for allowing us the opportunity to have fun and get silly for a time. Although guilty of this (from time to time :-) !), I try to behave most of the time. I presure that our hosts realize that we are in what is generally a very serious and emotionally taxing profession, and that blowing off "happy steam" is very therapeutic for us, and takes the edge of what often is a very serious issue (Jeopardy f'rinstance!). So thanks again to Peter and David for hosting this pipe party and allowing us to occasionally take off our cottas and don our lampshades!! Gratitudiamus tuba!   bruce cornely organist, music director, clown, beagle afficionado, ago chapter dean, ohs member, and general disturbance   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Airport Codes From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:41:46 -0600 (CST)   At 11:23 PM 2/23/98 -0500, Ken Potter wrote: >Michael Williamson writes: > >> If memory serves me correct, that there was (and I'm not sure it is still >>there) a pipe organ located in the chapel at New York's JFK airport. I was >>speaking several years ago to an organ technician from Brooklyn who was >>talking about this organ in the JFK chapel. Don't remember what it was or how >>large it was, or if it is still there. Would be interested in finding out.   I don't know. But you can bet it was a Moller :-)   John.    
(back) Subject: Re: Airport Codes From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:52:17 +0000   Ken and Chris Potter wrote:   > This is the same friend who was playing for a Swedenborgian church on > the > east side and the minister replaced him with a tape system for playing > > their hymns along with the congregation - a new idea at that time. > The > ultimate insult was that after he was dismissed, they asked him if he > would > mind taping all the hymns for them. Needless to say.......   I would have taken the number of hymns used per Sunday, calculated the number of Sundays it would take to sing all the hymns, and charge them accordingly.   Then play them all with astonishing speed. And forget an occasional last verse here or there.....   I'm such a stinker!   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: ADMIN POSTING: THANKS! + Content, Quoting, Procedures etc -- ALL READ From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:35:41 -0500   Bruce, how about corny t-shirt wearer?