PipeChat Digest #272 - Wednesday, February 25, 1998
 
Re: Calvary Episcopal Church, Pittsburgh (specs/history)
  by Emutek Systems, Inc. <sales@emutek.com>
Re: New Organ for All Saints
  by K. Horvath <kmhorvat@wcnet.org>
Re: New Organ for All Saints
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: New Organ for All Saints
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
My recent post
  by W. Scarboro <scarboro@digital.net>
Re: New Organ for All Saints
  by Judy A. Ollikkala <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: My recent post
  by Jon C. Habermaas <opus1100@ameritech.net>
Re: YOUR recent post
  by Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Rockerfeller Chapel with or without organ
  by <GRSCoLVR@aol.com>
Re: My recent post
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
Ken's Swim.
  by Brian Pearson <bpearson@adelaide.on.net>
Re: nitpicking
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: My recent post
  by B. Morgan Martin <MORGANM@pacbell.net>
Re: My recent post
  by Jacob Nelson <nelsonje@plu.edu>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by Andrew Lane <alane@tgs.trinity.nsw.edu.au>
re: My recent post/nitpicking/Rockefeller Chapel etc etc
  by Jon C. Habermaas <opus1100@ameritech.net>
Ebenezer--my 2cents worth
  by Ruth  Bird <theraven@istar.ca>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by Paula Ranney <pjranney@sprintmail.com>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
re: My recent post/nitpicking/Rockefeller Chapel etc etc
  by John L. Speller <jlspeller@stlnet.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Calvary Episcopal Church, Pittsburgh (specs/history) From: "Emutek Systems, Inc." <sales@emutek.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:31:07 -0000   Dear Sir,   As a side note that may be of interest to the PipeChat community, I have priced the Pittsburgh installation using the Emutek Pipe Organ System. This also included combinational memory, record playback and midi in options:   7 x inputs boards 1715.00 60 x driver boards for pipes 14700.00 2 x SAM driver boards 490.00 1 x record/playback/remote tuning 495.00 1 x midi in 245.00 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Total: $17,645.00     Emutek Systems, Inc. has over a six year period, designed and field tested a pipe organ relay system. The system is low cost, easy to install and expandable and gives full control to the user for programming, changing stops, adding pipes etc via free PC based software or Emutek will provide the first programming free and subsequent changes at low rates. The system works with electronic organs if required to provide low-cost combinational memory. For example, 128 stops combinational memory would cost $980.00 !     Please call 732-919-7878/Fax 7880, email sales@emutek.com if you hav any questions.   Thank You   Ulric Gordon-Lewis President.   ---------- > From: ScottFop@aol.com > To: Piporg-L@cnsibm.Albany.Edu; Pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Calvary Episcopal Church, Pittsburgh (specs/history) > Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 11:53 PM > > The organ at CalvaryChurch was built originally in 1962 at the height of the > organ reform movement in the United States. The design iuncluded complete > ensemble structures throughout all divisions and virtually no stop extensions > or borrowings. The use of 70% tin for all principal pipes and the attention > to details of construction and voicing made the organ an example of the best > building efforts at the time. > > Great care was taken in the restoration of 1991 to keep the existing tonal > qualities of the organ, in fact the main goal, from the tonal point of view, > was to combine the freshness and brightness of the original with the warmth > and breadth needed for symphonic and contemporary compositions and > accompaniment of anthems and congregational singing. > > All reed stops were completely rebuilt and wind chests were modified to > operate at a slightly increased wind pressure, ensuring greater tuning > stability and warmth of tone. Fifteen new stops were added to the original > scheme, seven existing stops were relocated and the complete organ was > carefully revoiced. Several new stops were added to increase color options > including a high pressure "Trompette Royale" in the Great which joins the > existing dramatic "Trompette en Chamade" in the Antiphonal division. > > The console has been relocated to a more favorable position in the choir > stalls and is moveable, allowing a recital audience to see the organist > clearly. The console is equipped with the most recent solid state > computerized memory controls alllowing hundreds of combinations of sound and > color for the player. > > SPECIFICATIONS: > > +new stops or pipes 1991 > *revoiced with new tongues and shallots > **revoiced with new tongues > > GRAND ORGUE (II- North Transcept) > 16 Montre > 16 Bourdon (extension)+ > 8 Montre > 8 Bourdon > 8 Flute Harmonique+ > 8 Violoncelle+ > 4 Prestant > 4 Flute a Cheminee > 3-1/5 Grande Tierce+ > 2-2/3 Quinte > 2 Doublette+ > V Cornet > II-III Grande Fourniture (2-2/3')+ > IV Fourniture (1-1/3') > IV Cymbale (2/3') > 16 Bombarde* > 8 Trompette* > 8 Trompette Royale (high pressure, hooded)+ > 4 Clairon* > Cloches (Chimes) > Grand Orgue Unisson Muete > > RECIT EXPRESSIF (III- South Transcept) > 16 Bourdon Doux > 8 Principal Etroit > 8 Flute a Cheminee > 8 Viole de Gambe > 8 Viole Celeste (cc) > 4 Octave > 4 Flute Octaviante > 2 Octavin > IV Fourniture (2') > IV Cymbale (1') > 16 Bombarde (formerly 1/2 L, now F/L)* > 8 Trompette* > 8 Hautbois* > 8 Voix Humaine* > 4 Clairon* > Tremblant > Recit 16 > Recit Unisson Muete > Recit 4 > > CHOEUR EXPRESSIF (IV- North Transcept) > 16 Quintaton (moved from Positif) > 8 Cor de Nuit > 8 Flute Conique > 8' Flute Celeste (cc) > 8 Salicional > 8 Voix Celeste (gg)+ > 4 Gemshorn > 4 Flute Douce > 2 Flute de Bois > II Cornet (2-2/3') > IV Petit Fourniture (1') > 16 Basson** > 8 Trompette Royale (Grande Orgue)+ > 8 Cor Anglais** > 4 Chalumeau a Cheminee** > Tremblant > Choeur 16 > Choeur Unisson Muete > Choeur 4 > Cloches > 8 Choir Pitch Diapason (36 pipes- in hall between church and choir house) > > POSITIF (I- South Transcept) > 16 Bourdon (previous 8', 1-12 new) > 8 Montre > 8 Flute a Cheminee+ > 8 Flute Harmonique (moved from Grande Orgue) > 8 Gambe > 4 Prestant > 4 Flute a Fuseau > 2-2/3 Nazard > 2 Doublette > 1-3/5 Tierce > 1-1/3 Larigot > 1 Sifflet > II Jeu de Clochette+ (2/3', 4/5') > Fourniture (1') > Cymbale (1/2') > 16 Ranquette (former Pedal stop)+* > 8 Trompette+ > 8 Cromorne+ > 4 Clairon (former Positif Trompette)* > Clochettes (Zimbelstern) > Positif Muete > > ANTIPHONAL (Floating- Rear gallery) > 8 Principal > 8 Bourdon > 4 Octave > 2-2/3 Quinte > 2 Octave > IV Fourniture (1-1/3') > IV Cymbale (2/3') > 16 Bombarde* > 8 Trompette en Chamade* > 4 Clairon en Chamade* > > PEDALE > 32 Contrebasse (ext)+ > 32 Soubasse (ext)+ > 32 Quintaton (ext) <-----typical Phelps crap, probably THE only original 32 > 16 Contrebasse (wood)+ > 16 Principal > 16 Montre (Grande Orgue) > 16 Soubasse > 16 Quintaton > 16 Bourdon (Grande Orgue) > 8 Prestant > 8 Flute Bouchee > 4 Octave > 4 Flute Ouverte > 2 Flute a Cheminee > IV Fourniture (4') > IV Cymbale (1-1/3') > 32 Contre Bombarde (ext)+ <---guess I was wrong about the 32' Quintaton > 16 Bombarde+ > 16 Basson (former Bombarde resonators)* > 8 Trompette* > 8 Chalumeau+ > 4 Clairon* > 4 Hautbois** > Cloches > Pedal Unisson Muete > > ANTIPHONAL PEDALE > 16 Principal > 8 Octave > 16 Bombarde (Manual) > > COUPLERS > Grande Orgue au Pedale > Recit au Pedale 8,4 > Choeur au Pedale 8,4 > Positif au Pedale 8,4 > Antiphonal au Pedale > > Recit au Grande Orgue > Positif au Grande Orgue > Choeur au Grande Orgue 16,8,4 > Antiphonal au Grande Orgue > > Recit au Positif > Choeur au Positif > > Choeur au Recit 16,8,4 > > Antiphonal au Choeur > > Clavier I-II Transfer > > > Speaking Stops: 106 > Independent Stops: 97 > Ranks: 138 > Pipes: 7626 > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ for All Saints From: "K. Horvath" <kmhorvat@wcnet.org> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:07:24 -0500       Ken wrote:   > K. Horvath wrote: > > St. Aloysius in Bowling Green Ohio contracted for a mechanical action > > organ several months ago. > > How's that project going? Any news? > Ken Sybesma   Thanks for asking. There was a two week work stoppage, due to the ice storm in Montreal. I think we'd better prepare the parish for the possibility that the organ might not be installed _exactly_ on time. We still need to get the electrical work updated, and the loft leveled and floored. Fund raising is going very well. It's amazing. Just ask people for money (as many people as you can, as often as you can) and you get it. That may be an over simplification, but we've been given, or been pledged an amount that puts us within $20,000. of our goal. We think God wants us to have this organ. <G>   The thread, "Organ: Dead or Alive" had me wondering if there were others planning installations of pipe organs, tracker or EP. I'd like to see some more proof that the pipe organ will never die.      
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ for All Saints From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:03:42 -0500   Bruce, Two things: First, be sure to get a real string or a more traditional salicional type. The organ I play on now has a "viola da gamba" which is actually a small scale principal. When used alone, it is a very fine small principal, and when coupled to the Great at 4 (no flames please, okay! so i used a super coupler.. ;-) ) it makes a very nice small octave for accompanying chants and service music. When used with the celeste (Lordy, more flames! yes, I do that too) it is very, very silvery and etherial especially (ducking to avoid solid coals) when the 4' coupler is added to the swell. Just to add for vindication, I have five generals which I DONT use -- I have to be pure somewhere hehe). Secondly, if you want a truly contemporary stoplist consider: Bottom keyboard Plain Organ Sound 8 Capped Metal Tube 8 Another Plain Organ Sound 4 Capped Metal Tube with a Tube Top 4 Yet Another Plain Organ Sound 2 Plain Organ Sound Combo II-attatime Like, uh, Reedy Sound 8   Top Keyboard Wooden Box with TopStop 8 Skinny Sound 8 Outatune with Skinny Sound 8 Metal tube with pointy top 4 Metal tube with Hole & Straw Top 2 2/3 Little Wooden Box with open top 2 Metal tube with pointy body 1 3/5 Device that makes sound like old sopranos   Pedal Bunch O Big Boat Horns 16 More Organ Sound 8 Yet More Organ Sound 4 Very annoying noise that organists love 16 Slightly annoying noise that organists love 8   Appears that this is going to be a really fine instrument. You are especially lucky to have both Principals 8 and 4 in the facade--there is no more beautiful sound. Have you decided on a temperament yet. Can't wait to see the drawings. And don't forget to prepare for videotaping the "birth" process and delivery, and (uh) the erection!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ for All Saints From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:13:58 -0500   K Horvath said >it would be interesting to know if any other >churches have planned such projects (organs)   I would be very interested to know what is currently going on in organ building in this country NOW. The stoplists in TAO are certainly not representative of all the work now being done. It would be very interesting to me if all builders and reps on the list would post the names, size (maybe specs), and date of installation of their most recent five contracts, or maybe what they have done/will be doing for 1998 or July 97 to July 98. Just curious and would like to be able to tell people who ask realistically what is going on in organ building in the USA currently.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: My recent post From: " W. Scarboro" <scarboro@digital.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:38:27 -0500     Dear List,     Could someone please explain to me why there is such a big deal over my recent post? I DID NOT say as an expert myself that the Allen Company was the first builders of Electronic organs. I was quoting what the Microsoft CD said. REMEMBER: this CD has BOTH Electric organs (Hammond) and Electronic organs. If you have a problem with that statement DON'T blame me for it. I am not pleased that people seem to think that I am rewriting history. I have a great respect and interest in organ history. The purpose of my post was to show that the pipe organ does have some true showing on some CD-ROM's. Its not all hammond!     Sincerely,   William H. Scarboro   **************************************************** Will Scarboro Organ Historian Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, Melbourne, Florida U.S.A 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow Municipal Organ Research Project Master of the Archives-Space Coast A.G.O ****************************************************    
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ for All Saints From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:57:10 -0500   There is a beautiful and well-constructed new Dobson tracker 2 manual in a new church building at the Pakachoag (Congrgational) Church, Auburn MA completed in 1997, the first Dobson in New England.  
(back) Subject: Re: My recent post From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:24:43 -0600   W. Scarboro wrote: > > Dear List, > > Could someone please explain to me why there is such a big > deal over my recent post? I DID NOT say as an expert myself that the > Allen Company was the first builders of Electronic organs. I was quoting > what the Microsoft CD said. > > Sincerely, > > William H. Scarboro > > **************************************************** > Will Scarboro > Organ Historian > Organist, Pineda Presbyterian Church, > Melbourne, Florida U.S.A > 1996 OHS E. Power Biggs Fellow > Municipal Organ Research Project > Master of the Archives-Space Coast A.G.O > **************************************************** > Dear Will,   Oh what a dangerous place this information super highway can be. We are all capable of re-writing history by the distribution of information that is not always accurate. You indentify yourself as an organ historian which means you are adding your credibility to anything you post. Since you used the CD as reference and quoted from it, you appear to believe this is information that you want to pass on is factual. If you indentified yourself as a shoe shine boy rather than as a historian, I would be less likely to accept your information as factual. By the way Rockafeller Chaple is "Rockerfeller Chapel" as in the oil baron. If you think I'm being "nit-picky" you're probably right.   jc  
(back) Subject: Re: YOUR recent post From: Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:23:58 -0500   Jon C. Habermaas wrote:   > a historian, I would be less likely to accept your information as > factual. By the way Rockafeller Chaple is "Rockerfeller Chapel" as in > the oil baron. If you think I'm being "nit-picky" you're probably right. > > jc           Nothing personal, but it is spelled "ROCKEFELLER"   /S       ..  
(back) Subject: Rockerfeller Chapel with or without organ From: GRSCoLVR@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:49:54 EST   JCH: I have found that propelling one's self from the side lines and into the midst of the flames is a poor idea, especially with this list,,,,but when ya get into areas that are within my areas of expertise,(see signature below) then Yes,,,nit pickin is allowed.   The first gentleman in this country of that name, who settled in Hunterdon County,,New Jersey spelled his name ROCKEFELLER. That was around 1730   The Oil Baron spelled his name ROCKEFELLER   Most of the NJ contingent of the family changed the spelling over the years from Rockefeller to Rockefellow to Rockafellow,,, which has remained.   I have yet to run into a spelling of ROCKERFELLER, as you have suggested   Sincerely,   Roc Lester V. Rockafellow   NIt picking,,,Yup-----with the epertise to back it up!! <Grin>   Now,,about the first electronic organ,,and my opinion thereof. I am getting along in years and I have owned one of just about every plug-in organ over the years,,,and played them or tried to play them extensively. IMHO,,the Allen organ was the first to be successful in terms of stability of tuning, now we are talkin' electronic here, not electric (Hammond). Jerome Markowitz owner of Allen Organ Co. patented a "stable audio oscillator" and the Allen ws born, and it sure beat whatever was in second place in the early years (1950). Why, I owned a 2A2 Connsonata that,,while it would heat my living room and dim my lights automatically when turned on, would not stay in tune for 5 minutes. That was not the Allen for sure. But it did have an AGO specced console,,,and pedalboard, and thats why I bought it, to say nothing about the strings that sounded like bacon frying in a pan.<G> The information highway that we are racing along trying to keep up, has its faults IMHO, one of them being that it condenses most information, sometimes to the detriment of the subject being discussed. I can easily see where the editors or writers of the Microsoft program that Will Scarboro referred to picked a small piece of information and published it as the gospel according to Microsoft,,,and who are we to dispute Bill Gates, HeHeHe. Thanks for the use of the soapbox,,,now back to the sidelines.   Roc   PS----It took AOHell so long to send this mail that I see that many nitpickers have already come to my rescue with the name thing.....LOL  
(back) Subject: Re: My recent post From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:52:32 -0600 (CST)   At 03:38 PM 2/25/98 -0500, Will Scarboro wrote:   Could someone please explain to me why there is such a big >deal over my recent post?   I was wondering this myself, since it is hardly list etiquette to attack people for having an incomplete understanding of a subject; rather than just making snide comments it would be helpful to post the correct information.   >I DID NOT say as an expert myself that the >Allen Company was the first builders of Electronic organs. I was quoting >what the Microsoft CD said.   Well the CD is pretty off-base on this one. There seem to have been some early experiments in electronic organs as much as a century ago, and a German professor (I forget his name) seems to have produced something approximating to one around the year 1900. Not long after that it seems that Robert Hope-Jones was in at least the experimental stages of producing one too. So far as the mass production of electronic instruments is concerned, the American Hammond Organ and English Compton "Electrone" have been around from the 1930s. I am not sure why the CD would make a distinction between electric and electronic organs. The word "electric" tended to be more used in the early days, but there is no escaping the fact that some of the earlier instruments, being made with radio tubes, etc., were electronic.   Allen probably can claim to be the first company to have produced a DIGITAL electronic instrument back in the 1960s. The digital technology that made this possible was developed by Rockwell International.   John.    
(back) Subject: Ken's Swim. From: bpearson@adelaide.on.net (Brian Pearson) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:19:02 +0930   Ken Sybesma has swum the Tiber? How did he survive? I wouldn't put a toenail that I wanted clipped in its waters! Mind you, Canterbury is an excellent destination (for some).   Now, I've been a naughty 69 year old boy for failing to keep discussion=20 to organs, so I'd like to remind you all about the fact that for 67 US cents you can buy an Australian Dollar which buys about as much here as one of yours at home. This means that a holiday here is very cheap, and in addition to excellent hotels and superb restaurants and wines, to say nothing of unique scenery, flora and fauna, together with a mild climate, we have the Theatre Organ Society of Australia's annual Easter= Convention in the beautiful city of Adelaide. Lew Williams will be the featured organist on the famous Capri 4/29 - indubitably the finest theatre organ outside the USA. There will be other top-liners and three theatre organs in six concerts. Then there's the gourmet dinner, 3D slide and film show with organ, a silent movie, open console, and local tours. We'd love to see you here. Contact Shirley and Jim Clausen at <JSCLAU= SEN@aol.com> if you are interested.=20   Regards to all, (and commiserations to Ken on the loss of all dissolvable appendages), Brian.      
(back) Subject: Re: nitpicking From: RSiegel920@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:04:24 EST   note: the only "r"s in Rockefeller, at as in the Chapel and/or the Oil man, come at the beginning and at the end.  
(back) Subject: Re: My recent post From: "B. Morgan Martin" <MORGANM@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:37:11 -0800   Thank you for sending out your post re this rediculous thread. Not since kindergarten (or kindergarden depending on how one cares to spell it) have I seen so much silliness. And presumably from adults!   Morgan  
(back) Subject: Re: My recent post From: Jacob Nelson <nelsonje@plu.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:39:33 -0800 (PST)       On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, John L. Speller wrote:   > I am not sure why the CD would make a > distinction between electric and electronic organs. The word "electric" > tended to be more used in the early days, but there is no escaping the fact > that some of the earlier instruments, being made with radio tubes, etc., > were electronic.   From what I understand, the difference between an "electric" and an "electronic" organ is in the method of tone production. Most Hammonds use spinning metal wheels to generate their sound, and I've heard of amplified reed organs. These seem to be called "electric" organs. "Electronic" organs produce their tone with an electronic oscillator of some sort, made from a combination of inductors, capacitors, and some sort of feedback amplifier. They came later, as the field of electronics developed more.   Both, however, use some sort of electronic amplifier, so IMHO, one could validly call either type "electronic." It is handy to make that distinction, though.   Jacob Nelson      
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: Andrew Lane <alane@tgs.trinity.nsw.edu.au> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:24:14 +1100   >Mac Hayes said "And what is "ebenezer?" The stone set up by Samuel in >commemoration (see above). It doesn't say why the name is not always >capitalized." >   Dear All,   Isn't an "ebenezer" "a song of praise"?   cheers,     Andrew Lane alane@trinity.nsw.edu.au      
(back) Subject: re: My recent post/nitpicking/Rockefeller Chapel etc etc From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:43:54 -0600   Dear Listers,   Appears to be what is called "A Slow News Day". 6 of 9 postings tonite appear to be in response to my earlier posting. I fell into the same trap by not double checking the spelling of Rockefeller (and I'm a Chicagoan and have been there many times...even held keys for the organ tuner at one time). I won't get into the debate as to who was the first to develope the electronic organ. Hammond held the patents which kept the electronic organ off the market for many years. Hammond did license some small firms to build a limited number of electronic organs (usually for custom orders) and one Chicago firm, Haygren (and I'm not sure of the spelling) was building organs in the late forties. As to my response to Will, I was trying to give my opinion as to why there was some initial critism to his posting. We are all victims of this electronic age where we are bombarded daily with misinformation. Most of it is unintended and is a result of the failure of someone to check the facts. TV news is the probably the greatest culprit. In local news incidences are often cited as having happened at the intersection of parallel streets (maybe a first year geometry student can explain why that is bad) and at locations that cannot exist because the named streets do not go there. Mis-spelled names etc are a daily thing. And the thing that drives the local residence nuts are reporters who are not originally from the local area, and cannot pronounce locations correctly. No time to check facts, got to beat the competition..etc. I hope Will did not take it personally as I enjoy readings his postings and look forward to many more of them.   regards,   Jon  
(back) Subject: Ebenezer--my 2cents worth From: Ruth Bird <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:43:34 -0500   In Webster's Dictionary: Stone of Help   In 1 Samuel 7:12 Then Samuel took a stone, and set it between Mizpeh and Shen, and called the name of it Ebenezer, saying, Hitherto hath the Lord helped us.   Also reference made to Ebenezer in 1 Samuel 4:1 and also 5:1   However, all the references I have seen have been capitalized.   Ruth  
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: "Paula Ranney" <pjranney@sprintmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:47:35 -0800   Re: Ebenezer   The hymn is "Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing", second verse. "Here I raise mine Ebenezer; Hither by thy help I'm come . . ." I note these words are only in my old hymnal (Hymns of the Living Faith, 1951). Newer one has different words on second verse.   Paula Ranney Poulsbo, WA      
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:20:21 -0500   Just for giggles, if someone has a new United Methodist Hymnal would you post the rediculous substitution that they made for "here I raise my Ebenezer". We could all use a good guffaw!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:24:10 -0500   Oh teehee! I don't think this is what is in the UMC Hymnal, but the New Hymnal for Schools and Colleges has: "Here I find my greatest treasure" Close, but no cigar!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: re: My recent post/nitpicking/Rockefeller Chapel etc etc From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@stlnet.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:33:42 -0600 (CST)   At 08:43 PM 2/25/98 -0600, Jon Habermaas wrote: I fell into the same >trap by not double checking the spelling of Rockefeller (and I'm a >Chicagoan and have been there many times...even held keys for the organ >tuner at one time).   Well, my wife comes from New York and was at school with Muffy, John D. Rockefeller III's daughter, and she -- and particularly my wife's sister -- were good friends, and they spent quite a bit of their school life hanging out at the Rockefeller mansion. And though I'm English I think I know how to spell the name.   John, The only organbuilder in the *Social Register* since Frank Roosevelt <snif>.