PipeChat Digest #277 - Friday, February 27, 1998
 
Re: Atlantic City Organs
  by David Scribner <david@blackiris.com>
Organs In Toronto
  by Ruth  Bird <theraven@istar.ca>
Re: Funny hymn references
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Allelyuias (or however you spell it)
  by Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Re: additions
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: additions
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Ten Comandments.
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Hymnals (Was Re: Funny hymn references)
  by Shirley <pnst@itw.com>
Re: Hymns
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Allelyuias (or however you spell it)
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
A WurliTzer question
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: My recent post
  by Russell Greene <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca>
Re: A WurliTzer question
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
Ten Commandments for Choristers
  by karencl@worldnet.att.net <karencl@worldnet.att.net>
Re: additions
  by Beau Surratt <beaupiano@earthlink.net>
Re:  Allelyuias (or however you spell it)
  by CharlesHTu <CharlesHTu@aol.com>
Re: A WurliTzer question
  by Jon C. Habermaas <opus1100@ameritech.net>
Re: A WurliTzer question
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: A WurliTzer question
  by PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: Hymns
  by PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com>
Re: Chi-Stadium CD, amends, retraction and more...
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: Allelyuias (or however you spell it)
  by SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com>
Re: Hymns
  by Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com>
Re: A WurliTzer question
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: A WurliTzer question
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: additions
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: additions
  by Ken <mewzishn@spec.net>
Re: A WurliTzer question
  by Gregory F. Klingler <klingler@IDT.NET>
Dissonance
  by karencl@worldnet.att.net <karencl@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Dissonance
  by bruce cornely <cremona84000@webtv.net>
Re: Dissonance
  by Jonathan M Orwig <giwro@juno.com>
 


(back) Subject: Re: Atlantic City Organs From: David Scribner <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:01:19 -0600   Alan   There are two organs within the building - the Midmer-Losh in the main convention hall and the Kimball in the ballroom. Besides the "Boardwalk Pipes" recording Elmore also did one on the Midmer-Losh called "Bach on the Biggest" dating from the same period. Neither recording is available currently. And actually the recording on the Midmer is rather bad with lots of distortion in it.   There is an organization that has been formed similar to the Friends of the Wanamaker Organ called the Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society to work for the preservation and restoration of the instruments in the Convention Hall complex. I am currently working with the President of the Society, Stephen Smith, on getting a Web Site together covering the organs. It will be announced on these lists when it is up and running, which we hope will be shortly.   For anyone that is interested more information about the Society can be gotten by email the Society at: info@acchos.org     David   ********************************** David Scribner Black Iris Consulting 4775 Balmoral Drive Pensacola, FL 32504-9174 850-478-9635 - Voice 850-476-0711 - Fax david@blackiris.com      
(back) Subject: Organs In Toronto From: Ruth Bird <theraven@istar.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:32:23 -0500   Since everyone seems to know where all the Pipe Organs are, and since I am fairly new at this, does anyone know about any Pipe Organs that I can visit in Toronto???   Muchly appreciated,   Ruth      
(back) Subject: Re: Funny hymn references From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:48:45 -0600   > The UMC, being very sensible, didn't tamper with the words. > > Vicki Ceruti   That's what I found as well.   BUT...some of those long-winded chants don't mix with congregational singing at my church. And sight-reading those BEADG(F and sometimes C) flat things are KILLING me (there are several that fit with Lent)!   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Allelyuias (or however you spell it) From: "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:57:30 -0600   Does anyone know of a publisher and number for Simon Preston's "Allelyuias"?   Thanks,   Beau Surratt Organist- Bemis United Methodist Church Student, South Side High School Jackson, TN  
(back) Subject: Re: additions From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:21:44 -0600   Richard Wolf wrote: > > Hi Beau! > Contact Wicks, they have web page @ [www.wicks.com.] They may be able to > help you since they made your organ. > > Dick   Ain't that the truth!! I sent in for info on our 2/19 Wicks, and I recieved a full history through a sequence of several e-mails, and to my surprise, I also found complete plans in my mailbox a while later. They were very helpful. I'm thinking about begging the church to get a 32' pedal rank and a three-manual console after a while. I'm sure Wicks would really love that as well.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: additions From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:24:04 -0600   > unified, it would probably be best to start off completing that first > (independent 4' and 2' and maybe 2-2/3'), along with an Oboe, unless > there's no Trumpet, in which case I'd do that first.   I know Moller usually didn't put trumpets in their 1/5 machines, but I'd like to know about Wicks. Of course, they said they did more custom work than Moller when they were open.   Kevin C.  
(back) Subject: Re: Ten Comandments. From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:17:07   At 06:04 02/26/98 -0600, you wrote:   >Hope someone remembers the other nine. > >Dick     Dick and all:   These are the ones I have from a humor post I lifted from somewhere:   Ten Commandments for Choir Members   1. Thou shalt have no other activities or committee meetings before thee at choir rehearsal time.   2. Thou shalt not make unto the choir director any weak excuses for missing rehearsal.   3. Thou shalt not use the rehearsal time to talk and joke with thy neighbors, for the rehearsal time is limited.   4. Remember the rehearsal time to keep thyself prompt.   5. Honor thy Lord and thy heavenly Father for the talent he gavest thee to be used for His glory.   6. Thou shalt not kill the harmony of the group by singing off key.   7. Thou shalt not ignore the director's instructions and requests.   8. Thou shalt not steal thy neighbor's notes when singing separate parts.   9. Thou shalt not bear false witness by acting as though thou knowest more about the music than the director.   10. Thou shalt not covet the talents of the other members of the choir, nor the position of the choir director, nor the chief seat in the choir loft.        
(back) Subject: Hymnals (Was Re: Funny hymn references) From: Shirley <pnst@itw.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:23:59   At 23:19 02/26/98 -0800, you wrote:   > And I get really irked at the revisions to be politically correct. > Karen     Hmm.... should we start a discussion about the all inclusive hymnal, "The New Century Hymnal" that the United Church of Christ (in the USA) has published?   This one has even changed the words on Christmas carols.....   --Shirley  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:41:53 -0600   I had fought my mother over varoius organ issues for some while. I failed to consider she had never heard a theatre organ before, so I had to take her to the Alabama Theatre in Birmingham, AL, and let her hear Bertha, a 4/23 (?-rank number changes from time to time) WurliTzer "Crawford Special" Publix model. Well, an in-house organist played "Precoius Lord, Take My Hand" and she cried her eyes out (was my deceased great-grandmother's favorite hymn...my mother has recordings of the family singing it and other hymns some years ago). She cried even harder when I played my first piece for the BC-ATOS members. Those spirituals in voice can be VERY powerful as well.   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com   bruce cornely wrote: > > When I lived close to New Orleans LA, I used to enjoy going to the > French Quarter very late at night (actually very early in the morning), > grabbing a cup of coffee and a bignet and going up to the Moon Walk at > the river and getting to hear a wonderful Black woman singing spirituals > a-capella; she often sang "Sweet and Low". I think "Precious Lord, > Take My Hand" was one of her favorites. Man, when she got wound up > she could cause traffic jams with the ships in the river!!! > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Allelyuias (or however you spell it) From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:48:40 -0500   Beau, The Preston "Alleluyas" are published by Oxford in a collection called "Modern English Organ Music' (I think). The only number I can think of for this piece is #1!!! Enjoy!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: A WurliTzer question From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:55:09 -0500   In reading about WurliTzers, I keep seeing models referred to as a "Publix" model. Does this have anything to do with the grocers. Although I think I played a Baldwin "piggly-wiggly" once!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: My recent post From: Russell Greene <russg@cyberspc.mb.ca> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:05:07 -0000   >Allen probably can claim to be the first company to have produced a DIGITAL >electronic instrument back in the 1960s. The digital technology that made >this possible was developed by Rockwell International.   No probably about this! The Allen digital organ was the second commercial product of any kind to use digital chips - the other was the first 10 key calculator (from Sharp, I believe).   The first chips were indeed developed by North American Rockwell, with Allen Organ Company joint venture participation. Allen received a plethora of awards as well as technology which the company licensed to others for several years.  
(back) Subject: Re: A WurliTzer question From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:08:19 -0800   On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:55:09 -0500 cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) writes:   >Although I think I played a Baldwin "piggly-wiggly" once!>   Hee hee! That's funny! I think I played the same model (for a year, and in Florida, yet..), but it was more like a Baldwin "Pic 'n Save".....     **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics - Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]    
(back) Subject: Ten Commandments for Choristers From: "karencl@worldnet.att.net" <karencl@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:09:34 -0800   But the list Shirley posted did not contain the one Dick mentioned. Is there more than one set of commandments? These are wonderful! If there is another set that someone has, please post it as well. Thanks. Karen  
(back) Subject: Re: additions From: "Beau Surratt" <beaupiano@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:08:15 -0600   No Trumpet, or any reed, closest thing is a Gamba 8'   ---------- > From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: additions > Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 7:24 PM > > > unified, it would probably be best to start off completing that first > > (independent 4' and 2' and maybe 2-2/3'), along with an Oboe, unless > > there's no Trumpet, in which case I'd do that first. > > I know Moller usually didn't put trumpets in their 1/5 machines, but I'd > like to know about Wicks. Of course, they said they did more custom > work than Moller when they were open. > > Kevin C. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: Allelyuias (or however you spell it) From: CharlesHTu <CharlesHTu@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:19:17 EST   The Alleluias is in the first volume of (I believe) Contemporary Organ Music published by Oxford University Press,. I do not know if it is avaiolable separately. It is a wonderful piece. I'll look it up at the office and double check. I do know for sure it is from OUP. Charles Tucker Dean, Pensacola Chapter, AGO  
(back) Subject: Re: A WurliTzer question From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:19:40 -0600   bruce cornely wrote: > > In reading about WurliTzers, I keep seeing models referred to as a > "Publix" model. Does this have anything to do with the grocers. > Although I think I played a Baldwin "piggly-wiggly" once! > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o > > >Did you say you played a Baldwin "Piggly Wiggly" or a Baldwin at a "Piggly Wiggly"?   jc  
(back) Subject: Re: A WurliTzer question From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:27:57 -0600   NO!! IF YOU WANT PROOF, LOOK AT http://theatreorgans.com/alabama/bham/   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com   bruce cornely wrote: > > In reading about WurliTzers, I keep seeing models referred to as a > "Publix" model. Does this have anything to do with the grocers. > Although I think I played a Baldwin "piggly-wiggly" once! > > bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o > ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: A WurliTzer question From: PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:48:30 EST   The Publix I series of Wurlitzers (4 manual, 20 ranks) were designed by Jesse Crawford for the Publix Theatre Chain which own movie palaces across the United States. The organs were well balanced and very successful, but the most notable absence was that of a Post Horn which was unusual for large Wurltizers. This lead to to Crawfords famous answer when asked why he didn't include it of "To protect the audience from the organist!"   A larger series, the Publix 4 series were 4/26's, I believe. The most famous of these were the Brooklyn NY Paramount Theatre organ and one in Boston.   I am not sure if there were ever Pubix 2's or 3's... Never heard of them!   Best wishes, Bob  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns From: PipeLuvr <PipeLuvr@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:57:31 EST   In a message dated 98-02-27 20:48:33 EST, you write:   > so I had to take her to the Alabama Theatre in Birmingham, AL, and let > her hear Bertha, a 4/23 (?-rank number changes from time to time) > WurliTzer "Crawford Special" Publix model.   Hi Kevin and list.   I believe Bertha (Wurlitzer Opus 1723) is 22 ranks, i.e. a standard 20 rank Publix I with Post Horn and Flute Celeste ranks added relatively recently. I may have a copy of the stop list somewhere. If you are interested, E-Mail me privately!   Best wishes, Bob Acker  
(back) Subject: Re: Chi-Stadium CD, amends, retraction and more... From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:59:26 -0600   Back in the old days when this was posted...   I had it stuffed in a folder, and yesterday, my father asked if Wrigley (sp?) Field was the same as the Blackhawks stadium. In other words, was the ill-fated organ the one in Wrigley Field? If not, does the organ I'm thinking about still play? Sorry, but I'm not all that familiar with sports facilities and their history (I don't really care...unless they have/had an organ). Sorry for stretching the rules a little (bringing an old post up, including a long history text, etc...)   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com         TonyIn219@aol.com wrote: > > first. Sorry about my reference to Mormon organ. Organ was LOUDER, not bigger. > > Also, regarding WHERE the organ burned, I just knew it burned. I figured that > Chicago has more arson than anyplace else, so it must have happened here. I > learned my lesson: when you assume. . . > > Also, the Chicago Stadium organ was like a room, you know. 8 feet high, 6 feet > wide and more gold frosting than a bad hairdo or a Betty Crocker cake. > > There is a recording called My Final Vision, which was the LAST recording ever > made of the Chicago Stadium organ. It was the 1993 ATOS convention I believe. > it's pretty good, except for when frank sings. > > The CD jacket says it was recorded in Digital Surround Sound, but I think they > are bluffing: the echo and reverb and acoustics of that old hangar were > atrocious, and you can't help but hear anything BUT Surround Sound. It is a > FABULOUS testament to powerful pipes though. To use the word POSTHORN is just > not appropriate. Frank Pellico used to call it the Voice of God. I can > remember trying to talk to my Dad IN THE LOBBY and not being able to hear a > word he was saying. > > CD Info: > > Label says Intersound > P.O. Box 1724, Roswell GA 30077 > > or Intersound > One Select Avenue > Scarborough Ontario M1V 5J3 > > Organ Historical Society probably lists it too. I'll check when I get home. > > You guys know I drove an 18-wheeler for 1-million miles, and although I never > sat at the console of that particular organ, I did get a vicarious pleasure in > the truck when I would sit in front of all those gauges: shift those 13 > speeds, mash the hammer (accelerator) and get those 425 horses roaring, use > the air gadgets like air power windows, air door locks, air mirror adjusters, > air starter, air wipers, BIG air horns (like pipes), air-ride suspension, > central vacuum system, air-adjustable seat, air brakes and lots of colored > lights and a big sleeper with 8-foot ceilings and two sunroofs to boot. > > I could start off in Chicago, and by the time I was done "playing" THAT > console, it'd be 3-1/2 days later, I'd be in LA and I'd be $5,000 richer. > > And to think I just write copy now. Jeez, what was I thinking? > > Well anyway, let's not mourn the lost pipes, but celebrate the organs that > still exist and bring us so much joy. > > John Carington > Tonyin219@aol.com > "The only guy in the world with twin Theatre organ console bedside tables." > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Allelyuias (or however you spell it) From: SCoonrod <SCoonrod@aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:02:21 EST   It is published by Oxford Univ. Press. Modern English Organ Music, I think...it is one of a series. I have the darn thing at the office!.   The book also has Wm. Mathias' excellent and accessible "Processional" ......   I will bring it home if nobody else can beat me to it!   RandyT  
(back) Subject: Re: Hymns From: Kevin Cartwright <kevin1@alaweb.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:03:44 -0600   PipeLuvr wrote: > > In a message dated 98-02-27 20:48:33 EST, you write: > > > so I had to take her to the Alabama Theatre in Birmingham, AL, and let > > her hear Bertha, a 4/23 (?-rank number changes from time to time) > > WurliTzer "Crawford Special" Publix model. > > Hi Kevin and list. > > I believe Bertha (Wurlitzer Opus 1723) is 22 ranks, i.e. a standard 20 rank > Publix I with Post Horn and Flute Celeste ranks added relatively recently. I > may have a copy of the stop list somewhere. If you are interested, E-Mail me > privately! > > Best wishes, > Bob Acker   I looked in the chambers about two weeks ago, and found a trombone on the floor awaiting installation (I think), and there was another rank added totaling to 23 (as of 2 weeks ago, unless you have more current information). Stuart, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong here...   Kevin C. kevin1@alaweb.com  
(back) Subject: Re: A WurliTzer question From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:47:45 -0500   The Baldwin "Pic-N-Save".... Uuuuh, that would be the drug store model.... Yikes!   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: A WurliTzer question From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:12:35 -0500   Mr. Cartwright answered: >NO! IF YOU WANT PROOF LOOK AT >http://theatreorgans.com/alabama/bham   Well, OK. I look there and found an organ with the Publix name attached. I found no proof. However, a civil answer to an honest question might be nice. What is the Publix origin/connection?   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: additions From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:18:06 +0000   Kevin Cartwright wrote:   > I know Moller usually didn't put trumpets in their 1/5 machines   I'm not sure what a 1/5 is, but I played a 2/5 Moller that had a Diapason, a Bourdon, a Salicional, a Dulciana, and a Trumpet.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: additions From: Ken <mewzishn@spec.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:21:01 +0000   Kevin Cartwright wrote:   > I know Moller usually didn't put trumpets in their 1/5 machines   I'm not sure what a 1/5 is, but I played a 2/5 Moller that had a Diapason, a Bourdon, a Salicional, a Dulciana, and a Trumpet.   Ken Sybesma        
(back) Subject: Re: A WurliTzer question From: "Gregory F. Klingler" <klingler@IDT.NET> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:28:31 -0500   Yea, Me Too!!   I've also played one of those things. I think it was called a "Hammond Hunt-N-Peck" or something like that.   Later....   Greg     Jonathan M Orwig wrote:   > On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 20:55:09 -0500 cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) > writes: > > >Although I think I played a Baldwin "piggly-wiggly" once!> > > Hee hee! That's funny! I think I played the same model (for a year, and > in Florida, yet..), but it was more like a Baldwin "Pic 'n Save"..... > > **************** > Jonathan Orwig > Bethany Church, Redlands, CA > Evensong Music, Media and Graphics - Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music > http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Dissonance From: "karencl@worldnet.att.net" <karencl@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:42:44 -0800   Dear List: What, pray, is dissonance? I'm serious here. My handy dandy pocket music dictionary defines it: "Sounds that are unpleasant to the ear". What little of Hindemith I have heard fell into that category. We have harmony, and we have dissonance, but what is in between? The Lizst Piano Concerto No. 1 comes to my mind immediately as a perfect example of what I'm talking about. One of my favorites - yet most of it could not be described as harmony! Yet it isn't unpleasant to the ear. Au Contraire!! It builds. It soars. But WHAT IS IT???? And why do people write things that are "unpleasant to the ear"? Better still, why do people perform them? I have not yet learned to enjoy hearing dissonance, and I NEVER play it (on purpose). But I like to be open to enjoy ALL things and I'm willing to learn. What have I missed?? Karen  
(back) Subject: Re: Dissonance From: cremona84000@webtv.net (bruce cornely) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:21:56 -0500   Karen, Dissonance is in the ear of the beholder. I would venture to compare dissonance to harmony as sour to sweet. They both are appreciated in degrees. Contrasting harmonies and dissonances are what make music interesting, and with deference to Webster these are concepts that are very difficult to describe in one or two concise words. I have discovered in new experiences with unequal temperament that dissonances in key tonality allow me to appreciate the harmonious resolutions much more than in equal temperament. It is not something that I can put into adequately descriptive words. There are modern compositions that I consider ugly but other people consider beautiful: these concepts are the result of personal experience and training and one opionion does not necessarily invalidate another. Music is one of those areas of the arts, much like organ building, in which there are very few absolutes; there are many variables of beauty, and various ligitimate ways of doing the same thing.   bruce cornely o o o __________ o o o ago (dean) ohs o o __________ o o  
(back) Subject: Re: Dissonance From: giwro@juno.com (Jonathan M Orwig) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:43:54 -0800   Ah Karen...   I believe dissonance (like much else in music) is in the ear of the beholder. In some of my past posts you might remember disparaging remarks I have made about "tonally astringent" music - in all fairness, I must admit my idea of dissonance has changed over the years... let me illustrate...   When at the tender age of 15 or so I first heard the music of Marcel Dupré, I could not STAND it. It sounded to me like harmony gone wacko!   Guess who my favorite organ composer is now...?   Yep. Marcel Dupré.   I think as we unlearn our cultural prejudices as to what is "ugly" or dissonant we develop a taste for new sounds - we play diminished 7th chords frequently and most would not consider them unacceptable - however since they contain the tritone, (at one time known as "the devil in music") they would have been unacceptable once upon a time. I tend to only play the wilder harmonies in private, as I do like my job.... I have a book of Preludes on American hymn-tunes by Langlais that has some of the most surprising harmony (honest - it really works) but I haven't got the guts to play some of it yet in public...   Even though some of my horizons have broadened, though, I still need to be able to find a melody, theme or discernable form to really enjoy a piece, and often the really wild 20th C stuff has none of the above - that is unless you analyze it and/or hear it a number of times. I think some people play it in order to hopefully broaden the horizons of their listeners, but unfortunately most non-organists (or non-musicians) are not able to get past our old friend dissonance..... **************** Jonathan Orwig Bethany Church, Redlands, CA Evensong Music, Media and Graphics - Organ, Keyboard & Choral Music http://members.aol.com/Evnsong/pgone.html   _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]